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The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 5:06 am

From what we have seen, Air France as well as Qantas have all together ordered eight B 747-400LRs. The B 747-400 LR is out for like a few months and it has been quite successful.

I do expect Northwest, Air Canada, British Airways, Cathay Pacific (Maybe), Lufthansa as well as United Airlines ordering this product.

Will it be a great success? If you ask me, I would say 'yes'. How about you?

All ideas are welcome!

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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 6:30 am

Yes, or at least I hope!  Big thumbs up

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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 6:37 am

Northwest has been a big fan of 747s, as most of you know they just ordered 2 more 400s. I think the LR version would fit perfectly in its fleet.
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 7:41 am

I think it will as it can fly further than the 747-400 but with the same number of passengers.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 8:11 am

I dont know about Air Canada they seem to sway to the Airbus way. I see them taking on A380s before the 747s. I do wish that Air Canada would get some new boeings it would be nice to see.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 8:19 am

I believe there are three potential airlines that may want to buy the 747-400 Longer-Range.

They are United, Northwest and KLM. UA and NW will want to buy the 744LR so they can fly US East Coast to Asia on less pax/cargo restrictions, and KLM as 747-300 replacements. KLM will DEFINITELY buy the 744LR if Boeing offers a Combi version of the plane.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:58 am

I bet that United and British Airways will order the high capacity 747-400LR with P&W 4000 and Rolls Royce Trent 900 series engines instead of the GE90 powered 777-200LR & 300ER models.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:02 am

Since Northwest has ordered the A330-300 with P&W 4000 series engines to replace their DC-10s instead of the 777, they will probably order the high capacity 747-400LR also with P&W 4000 series engines for their Pacific routes.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:06 am

Boeing should have given it a little more range so that it could make a West Coast-Singapore flight nonstop, then SIA would order a bunch of them.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:29 am

Like all Boeing products, the next generation will be a huge success for Boeing.

Expect big 747 operator like Japan Airlines and Cathay Pacific to order the new 747!!!!!!!!!


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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 1:17 pm

Air Canada probably will not order the A 380 as they have expressed their interest in the B 747-400.

 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 1:44 pm

I believe that United, Northwest, Air New Zealand and KLM are all potential customers. Also, Qantas ordered 6 747-400ERs and Air France has been "reported" to have purchased 4 747-400ERFs. That gives us a total of 10 747-400ER models purchased.
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 2:01 pm

United Airline wrote:

Air Canada probably will not order the A 380 as they have expressed their interest in the B 747-400.




Ummm....NO. They have been getting as much airbusses as they can, so Airbus is probably what they would get. This would allow them to have total fleet comonality with the exception of the 767 and 747.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Sun Feb 04, 2001 9:37 pm

i think AC would get neither the a-380 nor more 747s, but who knows?
i´d say the 747LR really should have an appeal to NW and UA because they could use some more range because of their restrictions on flights from the US to asia and australia. from the european airlines, which don´t have such a need for this plane like the us carriers, i could see BA, KL, AF and LH order some 747LR but i´m not sure. i know LH has some outstanding 744s on order and still options. if they could be changed to the LR then this plane would be the perfect fit for its nonstop flights to MNL, SIN and EZE. other routes do just fine on current equipment.
and i think it could be the same with KL and AF, BA, perhaps VS.
actually, i don´t think that it will that big of success. i don´t think it won´t be unsuccesful but they´re a bit late with the LR design. if boeing had it introduced earlier i´d say more airlines would have ordered it. and by now it´s just filling the niche on just a few flight pairs like LHR-SIN or LAX-MEL.
and i agree with Cba, if it had as much range as the a-345, it would have been the perfect fit for SQ.

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RE: Forget Air Canada!

Mon Feb 05, 2001 4:43 am

Have you read AC's recent news and financial results,
they are facing a 300M Can$ loss (about 220M US$) for the year 2000. AC's as also firm oreders and options for up to 15 A340-500/600 with RR engines! Don't expect them to order this 747 or buy more Boeings as the airline wants to have maximum fleet commonality. The sad new is that 3 747-400 Combis are being retired in favor of the A330. That can comfirm my predictions!
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Mon Feb 05, 2001 5:12 am

United Airline,

Just wondering. A few months ago you posted a topic called the 717 a failure? Well the 717 has a lot more orders than the 744LR and you are calling this a great sucess. It just seems to me that with only 8 confirmed orders right now that thr 744LR is not a sucess. Sure I think that it has potential, but your logic doesnt make scence.
 
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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Mon Feb 05, 2001 2:27 pm

ILUV767:


It's different. The 717 is a small jetliner while the 747-400LR is a jumbo jet.

Besides, I am just asking for your ideas. I said 'Will it be a great success'. Besides, I was convinced that the 717 will be a success.

Sure it has the potentials and I do believe that it will succeed. Don't forget, it has been out for a while and the two customers are current B 744 operators.

Just my 2 cents.  Smile


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RE: The B 747-400 LR. Will It Be A Great Success?

Mon Feb 05, 2001 5:48 pm

Where is the source of this AF 747-400LR report, I have not seen it on any of the normal sites?

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