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ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 9:54 am

I love living in Southern California. Here we are, the first week of February. There is not a cloud in the sky, and the temperature was in the 80's today.

I decided to go out for a nice drive just cruising around. My travels today took me past March ARB in Riverside. In addition to the usual gaggle of KC-135's and C-141's that are always parked there, I noticed something unusual-namely an ATA L-1011 parked amidst the KC's and C-141's.
I looked at it from the freeway. It was parked quite a distance from where I was, so I couldn't see the reg. #, or even if there were air stairs parked next to it.

So what would a plane of ATA be doing at an Air Reserve Base?
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:05 am

It's probably a military wet-lease charter bringing personnel home. They do that sometimes when their own aircraft are not available. Just a theory on my part.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:30 am

Not unusual at all. The bulk of ATA's charter business is MAC.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:36 am


Thanks for the weather update! Now I'm homesick! It's 45 down here!

Tom in NO (at MSY, formerly in LA)

P.S. In keeping with the thread topic, I'll vote for the MAC charter.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:22 am

ATA has a contract with the military to transport military personnel overseas. They are 10 times better with properly maintained aircraft than now bankrupt TOWER AIR!!!!

RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 11:26 am

I know that the military chartered a bunch of 'civilian' air carriers during the Gulf War, and incidentally found out that this was a common practice for moving troops even in peace time. Just my 2 cents worth.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 4:15 pm

ATA has been the choice for the US gov since Tower has now folded. Many US armed forces personel compared the badly managed airline as the next Arrow Air waiting to happen. With their Incident/accident rating 13 times worse than the old Valuejet. I find that easliy to believe. Atleast the US Armend Forces can travel with full repsect now that they're traveling well and in style with an airline that also has a better paint scheme.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 4:24 pm

Matt: I posted a topic a few weeks ago on this, when I saw an ATA L1011 take off from Miramar MCAS in San Diego. They do a lot of charter work for the military, and for some reason I hadn't seen one at Miramar in all of the years I had lived near there. I hope ATA is becoming more common around military bases in SoCal.

BTW, I was in LA today. The city is a dump, but the 80s weather in the Basin felt so good!! It's usually only in the upper 60s/low70s in San Diego in the winter.

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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 4:35 pm

Straying off topic again, but the weather in SAN was great today too, Trvlr. I don't know any numbers but I wore shorts today.

Going back on topic, I have also seen ATA L-1011s parked at Hickam Air Force Base in Honolulu. Presumably it was on a military charter there as well.

RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:32 pm

ATA does an lot of and has for a long time, chartered it's aircraft for military duties; freight and passengers.
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Sun Feb 04, 2001 10:38 pm

Now that ATA is getting the 757-300 (and ATA plans to reduce its L1011 fleet), it'll be interesting to see what ATA plans to use as L1011 replacements. Maybe they should get 767-300ER's second hand? (Fat chance given that if ILFC or GECAS offers one up for lease they're snapped up REAL quick.)
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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Mon Feb 05, 2001 1:05 am

I dont know which I am more jealous of, the fact you have a multitude of airports to visit or the fact it is sunny, clear and in the eighties.

Today is another day in the 20's with 100 % cloud cover. Ah, there is nothing like a February day in southern Ontario.

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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Mon Feb 05, 2001 2:19 am

For what it's worth, the two major passenger charter carriers that serve the military both domestically and internationally are World Airways (MD11s) and ATA (L1011s, 757s and 727s), particularly for movements that require large planes or long distances. Other carriers that do a smaller but substantial amount of this business include North American (737s and 757s) and Omni (DC10s). Miami Air also does some of this work with 727s.

On shorter domestic-only routes, Southwest Airlines has, over the past year, had by far the largest number of missions of any domestic carrier, albeit much shorter ones from and around the Southwest. Miami Air, North American and ATA also get a fair amount of this business.

At RIV and HIK, you are likely either to see a World MD11 or an ATA L1011 for this kind of work.

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RE: ATA L-1011 Out Of Place

Mon Feb 05, 2001 2:26 am

The ATA L1011 that you saw was not out of place, as many have said, ATA has contracts with the military... I have also seen Sun Country DC10s, the bankrupt Tower Air, World Airways, North American, Polar Air, Atlas, and even regular US Airlines hauling Military personnel and cargo.


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