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Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 7:50 am

Hey,

This article is from Reuters:

SEATTLE, Feb 14 (Reuters) - A U.S. alliance will build new engines to power two massive new superjumbo jet models, even though a British rival won the first three sales campaigns, a Pratt & Whitney executive said on Wednesday.

Pratt, a unit of Hartford, Connecticut-based United Technologies Corp., and General Electric Co. will snare at least one of three pending engine contracts for the Airbus Industrie A380 with their proposed GP7000 powerplant, said Pratt Executive Vice President Robert Leduc.

"We are certainly not too late," Leduc said at a conference hosted by investment bank SG Cowen in New York.

"The next three battlegrounds on (A380) engine campaigns are Air France, (FedEx Corp.), and Lufthansa, said Leduc, naming three of the
seven initial buyers of the 555-seat A380, which will be the biggest plane ever built.



"We are very confident that we are going to get our launch (order) at one of those next three, if not all of those next three customers," Leduc said.

Britain's Rolls-Royce Plc won contracts to supply its new Trent 900 engines on A380s ordered by Singapore Airlines Ltd., its affiliate Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd., and aircraft lessor International Lease Finance Corp., a unit of American International Group Inc.

Leduc said there was no chance the GP7000 would be scuttled.

"We've already basically made the decision. If we get one customer, we are going," he added. "There's no debate about it."

Pratt also expects to build a GP7100 model to power Boeing Co.'s proposed 747X family, which will include a model seating 520 passengers, just over 100 more than the current model 747-400.

Boeing has yet to sign an order for that airplane, but Leduc says Pratt and GE are proceeding with development, citing the Seattle-based plane
maker's assurances that the 747X will go forward.

"We are spending money on an engine development program that we have a lot of confidence that our good customer Boeing is going to launch. Otherwise I wouldn't be spending that money. It's a matter of time,"
Leduc said.

Rolls-Royce offers a different engine, the Trent 600, for the proposed Boeing jets.

It looks like the Engine Manufacturer said something they should not have said!! They mentioned LUFTHANSA. They propably know something we don't and should not have released it to the public!

What do you think?

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 7:59 am

huuuuummmmmmmmmmm............ Smile Smile Smile
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:06 am

Could be an error or a typo!!!
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:19 am

Hey Gearup,

That is what I thought too. But if you read, they say the 7 A380 customers. I can only count 6.

Virgin
Singapore Airlines
ILFC
FED EX
Air France
Qantas

and now with Lufthansa, that makes 7. It would be difficult to make a typo in 2 places.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:25 am

Well you could be right Teahan. In fact I hope you are. I thought Lufthansa had said that they had no requirement for a VLA like the A380! As one of Europe's major carriers there are all kinds of reasons why they would buy it.
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 11:45 am

Teahan,

I think you forgot Emirates.
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 6:48 pm

Teahan definitely forgot the lauch customer, Emirates. Furthermore, the above comment "I thought Lufthansa had said that they had no requirement for a VLA like the A380" should be corrected. Lufthansa chairman, Juergen Weber, said last year that Lufthansa does not see the requirement for an A3XX at the moment. But he also added that it seems likely Lufthansa would have to select a VLA within the next 10 years. Weber did not comment on the type of aircraft.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 8:54 pm

Emirates is leasing the aircraft through the ILFC. They where right aside from the LH question.
1. Virgin (?)
2. Singapore (10)
3. Fedex (10)
4. Qantus (12)
5. Air France (?)
6. ILFC/Emirates (?)
7. ?Luthansa? (?)

Unless you want to include Thai (another possibility which would make the total 8). I think as soon as they release a combi version this list will grow much much longer. My big question is on the number of aircraft ordered. Did Airbus say 60??? Also is Singapore taking the first delivery? What is the delivery schedule (assuming that they will ever get permission to build a factory in Hamburg to make the aircraft).

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:15 pm

i mostly agree with notarzt.
jürgen weber stated that lufthansa sees a need for the a-380/747x in 6-7 years on routes such as FRA-JFK, -SIN, -NRT, -DEL.
as far as i know, SQ is scheduled to be the very airline to introduce the a380 into commercial service.
anyone, i think that the statement in the article must be a mistake somehow, because i´d say every airline buying the a-380 will make a major announcement and have a lot of fuss about it.


rgds
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:26 pm

everybode knows that LH is currently evaluating both the A380-800 and the B747X stretch. Of course airlines also evaluate which engines to choose.

I think this is what the interview meant.

Notarzt:

Actually, LH will bring a VLA into service within the next 10 years (not order within the next 10 years), an order is expected in the coming months, probably in April.
At least that's what I got from all the statements/reports.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Fri Feb 16, 2001 10:39 pm

I think sooner then April we will know.

Just to update A380 orders: customer, order date, number ordered (options)

Fed Ex-16/1/01 10F
Virgin-15/12/00 6(6)
Qantus-29/10/00 12 (6)(6)
Singapore-29/9/00 10 (15)
ILFC-25/7/00 5
Emirates-24/7/00 5 (5) A380-100 2 A380F
Air France- 24/7/00 10 (4)

Now Airbus said that they had orders for 60 aircraft so I guess the Emirates and the ILFC order may be different which is strange since most of Emirates new aircraft are comming via ILFC leases. Anyway that solves the 7 company order issue. Luthansa would be the 8th. Either they mis quoted him or he slipped. My info comes from a very reliable source www.bird.ch/avmark/library I would agree that Singapore will be the launch customer.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:47 am

Let's read it once again:

The next three battlegrounds on (A380) engine campaigns are Air France, (FedEx Corp.), and Lufthansa, said Leduc, naming three of the seven initial buyers of the 555-seat A380, which will be the biggest plane ever built.

At least one statement here is NOT TRUE. Neither any other should be considered to be a true from reliable source - disregard what LH really plans to order.
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 12:58 am

Singapore Airlines will be the launch operator with a big ceremony, world press, media coverage and the biggest boasting ever!!!

I think LH will buy the A380 to compliment SIA's services to Munich or Frankfurt or whatever.

I dunno really. Does LH need capacity right now?
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 2:39 am

It isn't sure yet, which airline will be the first to fly the A380, EK or SQ.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 4:07 am

Gerardo is right, rumors has it that both airlines will start flying the A380 to LHR on the same day!

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 5:41 am

Hi!

A decision hasn´t been taken yet. But Lufthansa will finally decide in about 8-10 weeks which aircraft they will order. I think, they`ll go for the A380, because it`s a matter of prestige, despite of Mr. Orlowsky`s offer for the proposed 747X (which he offers with a massive price dumping I think!).

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 5:56 am

Just one question: If I remember correctly, the same engines are used on proposed 747-variants and the A380. Lufthansa made it quite clear that they were going to order at least one, or both, types. Also, a few days ago there was a rumour about Lufthansa ordering the new 747s as freighter. Is it possible that the engine manufacturer simply counts Lufthansa as a potential customer for its engines, regardless of plane type? Could that have led them to confuse things and make this statement? Just my guess....

Maybe I'm too optimistic. (I dislike the A380 - sorry, but it's just bloody ugly!)
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:02 am

I'm just curious, the Boeing plane Qantas ordered along with the A380 was a 747X? Is Qantas the launch customer for the Boeing VLA?

Also, did Virgin order a 747X yet, or just say that they will?

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:58 am

TWOneedsNOHelp...

Qantas ordered the 747-400er (previously known as the 747-400x), not the 747x (which currently has no orders and has not been launched).

The Longer-Range 747-400 incorporates the existing, stronger -400 Freighter wing, strengthened body and landing gear, and an auxiliary fuel tank in the forward cargo-hold area, with an option for a second tank.

It the 747-400er also has the 777 interior. Max takeoff weight is increased. Other than this there isn't much difference between the -400 and -400er.

From the Boeing website: "With the Nov. 28, 2000, launch of the new Longer-Range 747-400, all references to the "747-400X" are now changed to the Longer-Range 747-400, also known as the 747-400ER."
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 8:17 am

WorldTraveller,

Jetzt sei mal nicht so kleinlich (Bestellung vs. Einführung)!

I don't think it makes that much of a difference if LH "orders" or if they "introduce" the A380 within the next 10 years. Considering the very moderate interest in the A380 at the moment, Airbus will have very short turn around times regarding deliveries (order today, get it tomorrow). Not that easy but you get the point.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 10:31 am

Here's the definitive answer.  Wink/being sarcastic

No. LH has not officially ordered the A380. LH does have both passenger and freighter aircraft requirements. What will LH order? If you read all the recent reports carefully, it is not too hard to figure it out.

On the subject of first delivery, Singapore Airlines is going to get the first A380.
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:34 pm

Notarzt, ich wollte echt nicht kleinlich wirken, sorry!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

From what I read Airbus plans to deliver around 1-3 A380 per month in the beginning, so with around 60 orders so far, all delivery positions for two years are probably taken already.

I think it makes a difference indeed (introduce or order within 10 years), since if LH orders the A380 in say 2007 they won't receive a plane until 2010 at the earliest I guess.
If they order in 2001 -which is expected- they'll get the first aircraft probably in 2007/8, which is exactly when they'll need the capacity.
Ordering now would also have the advantage of launch discounts.

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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:52 pm

Gerardo, Singapore will get first A380.

Our talks with Lufthansa have indicated that the airline does not want A380 but admits price offered is very low.
 
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RE: Has Lufthansa Ordered The A380? (Looks Like It)

Sat Feb 17, 2001 8:51 pm

your talks with LH???????
source please!!!!!!!!!
who are you, noel foregard??????

rgds
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