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VH-BZF
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Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:51 am

This is Hot news - straight from the mouth of Gary Toomey!

Ansett is to acquire 4 B767's (surplus to AC/CP) from Canadian Airlines by July. This is for domestic capacity increases, to combat the onslaught in capacity by QF.

New Business Class seats to be installed very soon on ANSETT aircraft, starting with the B737-300, with greater seat pitch, about 33 inches or so!

New International routes to Los Angeles, Tokyo, London & possibly Frankfurt (if rights can be achieved), as well as many others, if Ansett's customers want to fly to a certain destination & AN can do it profitably! Ansett's B747-400's to go back to 3 classes.

The Integration of Air New Zealand & Ansett is going very slowly & it's not going smoothly!

Finally someone is doing something about Ansett's sliding market share - Gary is not going to sit back and cop it on the chin! Rumours are he was in Singapore last week with his wish list???????????? It's a very tough job for Garry, but with determination if anyone can turn AN & NZ's fortunes around, he can. Also Sir Selwyn Cushing - Chairman of Air New Zealand & Ansett Group, admitted that NZ paid far too much for the 50% of AN it did not already own. Just the start of NZ's problems really!

Cheers - BZF Big grin

 
Red Panda
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 10:56 am

thx for the info. What kind of 767 are they? 762 or 763 or 763ER? and how old are they? cuz I know that some 767 are quite old in AC and Canadi>n airlines.

regards,
r panda
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:01 am

All of Canadian's 767's are 767-300's and I don't know why they are surplus as they had a small order for 763's after the merger. However AC has a few 762's that are to/are retired. Could it be them?
 
VH-BZF
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:14 am

My understanding is that they will be B767-300's. Ansett operates all GE-CF6 powered aircraft, I believe Canadian does also (AC's I think are P&W powered), I think that one or a couple of them are also ex Air New Zealand machines?

Cheers - BZF Big grin
 
Red Panda
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:16 am

I don't really like those old AC 767 powered by JT9Ds. AC should sell them asap.

just my personal feeling
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:37 am

BZF, these rumors did the rounds a couple of weeks ago. Is this "from the mouth" in a press release, article, you spoke to him or a rumor?

When discussed a couple of weeks ago it was felt that the AC aircraft were some 762s which AC had stored. Given they are about the same vintage as RMA-RMD I hope this isn't true.
 
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RE: Tullamarine

Tue Feb 27, 2001 11:52 am

Hey Tulla, I actually got it from the man himself, also whether they are -200' or -300's I am not 100% sure, however the Ansett engineering guys at the Avalon Airshow advised me that they had some people in Vancouver looking at some B767-300's.

So that's what I know. The Business class overhaul also came from Gary as well. So to answer your question, it is definitely NOT a rumour!

I have spoken to a couple of Pilots & others at AN & they seem to think that Gary is all about giving the staff as much info as he can (within reason, ie. not commercially sensitive stuff!), to make them start feeling a little better about themselves & their airline, & show that he is serious about turning the airline around.


Cheers - BZF Big grin

 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:15 pm

Thanks BZF, I hope it is all true.

I like Gary Toomey (apart from his choice of football team) ; he seems honest and prepared to tackle the hard decisions and get the buy-in of the staff along the way. He seems to have learned a lot from his previous boss and hopefully he will succeed.

I'm sure he is keen to complete his review of the airlines and announce his new way forward. There is no doubt such an announcement along with an order for new fleet would be a great fillip to the staff who have labored for the past couple of years with little or no direction.
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:20 pm

Whos Gary Toomey?
 
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G Toomey

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:22 pm

I believe that he's the ceo of the AN-NZ group.. An Aussie I think..
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:34 pm

Gary Toomey heads up both NZ & AN. Previous to this appointment he was Chief Financial Officer at Qantas. When Geoff Dixon got the nod to replace James Strong at QF, Gary decided to up & leave, he was also head hunted by Selwyn Cushing - Chairman of NZ, and apparently SQ gave their blessing as well. Gary was widely credited with the financial results of QF over the past 5 or so years.

cheers - BZF Big grin
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 12:56 pm

It's probably from the group of AC's first 762's 601-607
Some of which have already been stored. These are non-ER's and would probably be perfect for Domestic ops in Australia/NZ.
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:51 pm

33 inches seat pitch for the new business class.
Are you sure???
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 1:54 pm

I would expect 763s, AN have been after 763s for ages to go along side VH BZF, and this saves NZ from giving up 4 of their own, which are needed for transtasman/asian flights
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 5:51 pm

would their reg. # change after going to NZ?

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VH-BZF
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RE: Phileo

Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:09 pm

About the seat pitch, again I am not 100% sure of the actual figure, however the CEO did say it will be greater than what is currently on offer. The seats I understand are coming from an alliance partner in S.E. Asia...can't really say much more at this time!

Cheers - BZF Big grin
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:50 pm

Is the 'Gimli Glider' (no.604) part of the deal? I hope not, I think they (Canadian Airlines) should preserve it.

JA
 
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RE: Phileo

Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:53 pm

The seat pitch of 33inches would have to be for economy. Current seat pitch would be 31-32 inches.
In US, airlines domestic first would have start at 38 inches.

 
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RE: Phileo

Tue Feb 27, 2001 9:38 pm

Air Canada's seat pitch on the 767 is between 32" and 34". I find it surprising that they would be sending 767-300s to AN since they recently ordered brand-new ones. The domestic 767s are the oldest type with JT9D engines.
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:04 am

If it says "Canadian Airlines" aircraft, then likely these are some of the 767-300 aircraft that were leased last year to replace DC-10's in service. These 763's were kind of oddballs in the fleet, with different interiors and configuration, and were acquired to quickly supplement capacity. These aircraft will likely be replaced by the new 767-300's coming this year (which will fit in with the AC/CP fleet better).

I do hope Air Canada preserves 604, but unfortunately I've heard rumours pointing to otherwise.
 
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RE: Canadian B767's Heading South To AN-Australia!

Wed Feb 28, 2001 2:26 am

I know that some of Asiana's 767-300ER's went to Canadian a couple of years ago.
Brian

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