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LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:52 pm

You may all seen the post about Lufthansa in final stage of ordering the A 380. Right?

Do you guys think it is a rumour or a fact? It COULD still be in hesitation as they DID mention before that they are interested in the B 747X Stretch.

The B 747X Stretch is perfect for cargo transportation. And it does fit in the need of Lufthansa.

So do you guys think it is a rumour or a fact?

 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:54 pm

it can't really be a "fact", but it's much more than a rumor.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:31 pm

Lufthansa will announce its decision between the 747X or 380 by the end of June.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:43 pm

Sounds like a rumor to me. It will be nothing but a rumor until a confirmed source is provided.

LH deciding between the A380 and 747X is a tossup. They have a large 747 fleet, and the 747X would integrate more easily than the A380. However, Airbus is partially owned by Germany, and part of the plane is built in Germany, so you never know.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:53 pm

It is not good to speculate like this...Just wait for Lufthansa German Airlines to confirm the purchase of planes...

But it is great to start debate over which type of planes Lufthansa should purchase.

Oh...we are now in suspense...
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:15 pm

Lufthansa has so many 747s and very large freighter operation, but as well as is No.1 340 operator and holds 346 order. And other Star partners go Airbus... Singapore buys 380, BD buys 330, United, though no widebody, but No.1 Airbus operator, Air Canada also has great Airbuses fleet.

Maybe no one thinks 'Lufthansa will never buy either of 380 and 747X', so LH just chooses. But 747X is mere plan for now. 380 is more probable, well, 65:35?
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:17 pm

It is too early to judge the economics of both the 747X and the A380.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 4:19 pm

I really wish that the A380 is a sucess but until Lufthansa dosent make an official announcement well I cant say for sure.
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:12 pm

The large number of A380's rumored for LH (10+15) indicates that the A380F will be included in the order (as options?).

The way I see it, LH will neither get the B747X stretch nor the B747X freighter.

I believe it would be very uneconomical for LH to have the pax A380 and freighter B747X in the future.

LH's future freighter fleet (in 10 years) will most likely consist of the MD-11F and A380F, with the B742F gone.
The rumored A332F is also a possibility for LH.

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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:38 pm

They might get an attractive price from Boeing if they order the 753. No one knows if they will even buy one. But with that cancellation policy that I heard about(Topic here a couple weeks back), they could go for it.

BTW: There is still 3 months before they are supposed to pick(as Jiml1126 said). So no one really knows.

BTW2: WorldTraveller, why is it that you know that they won't choose the 747X(stretch)? Do you work for them?

>>The way I see it, LH will neither get the B747X stretch nor the B747X freighter.<<
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:45 pm

Until Lufthansa officially says that they are ordering the A380 it's still a rumor but I personally think taht Lufthansa will order the A380 over the B747X.

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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:58 pm

If Lufthansa (LH) orders the A380-800, there would be one advantage to doing so: Airbus won't need to fly the planes to the Hamburg Airbus assembly line to complete the plane. They'll just fly it to LH's maintainance base, the mechanics there will complete the fitting of the plane.  Smile
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sat Mar 17, 2001 11:57 pm

I'm looking foward to seeing that huge navy-blue tail with the fried egg in the not too very distant future. Go A380, LH!!!
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:09 am

well, it´s definitively more than a rumour, because today i got hold of a copy of the financial times and it says that the deal is almost sealed but LH wants to hold it back for awhile because of the negotiations with its pilots.
however, i don´t consider it a fact already. we´ll just have to wait and see.

although i don´t think that it would be necessarily uneconomical if LH operated the a-380 and LHcargo operated the 747X, but WorldTraveller´s statement, that this large order could indicate that some of these a-380s could go to LHcargo, makes sense. in addition, this also makes sense when you consider that LH only sees a need for the a-380x on the routes from FRA to DEL, NRT, SIN and JFK, so 10 +15 really seems too much.

Cba,
LH deciding between the A380 and 747X is a tossup. They have a large 747 fleet, and the 747X would integrate more easily than the A380.

so singapore airlines, qantas, virgin and air france don´t have a large 747 fleet???  Wink/being sarcastic

as for the date of the announcement. LH repeatedly stated that an announcement about an order of a-380s/747X would come within the first quarter of the year. now, this seems to take a little longer because of the negotiations with the pilots and this could possibly stretch the entire thing much longer.
however, i could very well imagine that LH makes the official announcement when they present their financial figures for 2000, which have been tremendous. that would be on the 27th april.

rgds
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:16 am

Lufthnasa will probably buy BOTH: since they have routes that call for it. Nationalism and fleets aside, logically I could see them buying them because Lufthansa has always been pragmatic...They fly several high density routes to US/ASIA which would fit the A380 nicely. They also fly long thinner routes (points in Africa or places like Ho Chi Minh City) which would call for the range/performance of a 747-LR but not neccessarily the pax capacity. They will probably deploy the A380 in a freighter or convertible configuration as well.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:26 am

Hell, for the prices that Airbus is asking for the 380, maybe I should by one or two.  Big grin
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 5:50 am

The FT has so far reported everything accurately so far in the aviation world so they've got to be good.

I trust them

Well done LH!
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 5:55 am

Who woulda thought you would see the day when the 747 was being advocated for "long, thin routes"

I'll believe the A380 when I see it.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 5:56 am

They will buy both. They will buy B747x because they already have B747 and they will also buy A3xx because they need this plane.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Sun Mar 18, 2001 5:58 am

sorry I meant A380-800
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:37 pm

LH is worldwide no.1 operator of 340 series! Why are you keeping to say only of 747s? Anyway, B747-437B, I feel sympathy: Long, thin routes for 747 Big grin

I think all of LH 380, 744 and 346 have their roles. But by this circumstances, 'Both of 380 and 747X' doesn't look very logical.
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:48 pm


I can perfectly imagine LH ordering both 380 and 747X: they´ve done it in the past: 737/320, 340/MD11. They could have 380 pax/747X cargio like they have 340 pax/MD11 cargo.
I guess the 747-200F will be around a long time: look at how long the ykept the DC8: 1997,98? Something like that.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:53 am

well, LHcargo already retired some 742s. they used to have 11 742, and by now, they should only have 7 left (although i got a 2nd, contradictory statement from the same source stating that by year-end 2000, they still had 10 of them left, although i´m pretty sure that´s a typo).
how their plans call for additional 742 to be retired i don´t know. somehow, it´s hard to believe they would phase them out soon if a new freighter could only by available 6 years in the future, especially now that LH can´t get a hand on additional new MD-11s with boeing having closed their assembly line. they could still get some 2nd hand MD-11s, but who knows...

rgds
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RE: LH About The Order The A 380. A Rumour Or A Fact?

Tue Mar 20, 2001 4:20 am

Folks...

Keep in mind that the "B747X" is just a bit larger than the B747-400. So, the presence of the B747X does not necessarily mean the A380 would be superfluous in an airline's fleet. I am sure you are referring to the "B747X Stretch" then.

Daniel

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