Airlines With Fifth Freedom Routes

MAH4546 · Thu May 24, 2001 6:28 am

Anyone know what Fifth Freedom routes foreign airlines operate out of the United States and US airlines have in other countries (sans NW, who has a ton in Asia). I can think of the following...

Air France:
MIA-PAP

Air Transat:
BUF-PUJ (??)

American:
GRU-ASU, GRU-MVT

Cathay Pacific:
JFK-YVR

Grupo Taca:
MIA-LIM (does this count?)

Iberia Airlines of Spain:
MIA-SJO, MIA-SAP, MIA-MGA, MIA-GUA, MIA-PTY, MIA-CUN

LanChile:
MIA-CCS, MIA-BOG, MIA-UIO, MIA-GYE, MIA-PUJ

Lauda Air:
MIA-MUC

Lloyd Aeros Bolivianos:
MIA-MAO

LTU:
MIA-SJO

Martinair:
MIA-AUA
MIA-SJC
MCO-AUA

VARIG:
LAX-KIX (??)
LAX-NRT (??)

United:
EZE-MVT

Any others? I'm sure there have to be some from JFK.

BarfBag · Thu May 24, 2001 6:31 am

Air India:
JFK-LHR
ORD-LHR

rojo · Thu May 24, 2001 6:37 am

United also has fifth freedom on the Mexico City - San José Costa Rica route.

Lacsa and Avianca have fifth freedom on the Mexico City - Los Angeles route.

Rojo

jrlander · Thu May 24, 2001 6:49 am

Delta is attempting to secure 5th freedom on its JFK-Cairo-Dubai route.

AEROMEX · Thu May 24, 2001 7:22 am

A little of history. I know Aeromexico had 5th freedom on MIA-MAD back at the days when they flew the MEX-MIA-MAD-ORY route. Maybe they still preserve that right, but they don't use it currently. I'dont know why.

airplanetire · Thu May 24, 2001 7:36 am

I think that Delta has a fifth freedom route from ATL to FRA to BOM.

patroni · Thu May 24, 2001 7:44 am

Also some historical routes :

TWA:
STR-CDG, domestic European flights plus flights to Mideast

Delta :
European Network ex FRA,FRA-BOM, FRA-NBO (?),
STR-AMS, TXL-CPH, TXL-WAW

United :
TXL-LHR

Pan Am :
domestic German flights, STR-ZRH, FRA-Europe/Mideast/India/Africa

Best regards,

Thomas

Megatop747-412 · Thu May 24, 2001 8:12 am

If I'm not mistaken, I think MH (Malaysia airlines) and SQ (Singapore Airlines) too have the following fifth freedom routes...

MH:
LAX-TPE (?? not sure)
LAx-NRT (?? note sure)
EWR-DXB (quite sure abt this)

SQ:
LAX-NRT
LAX-TPE
SFO-HKG
SFO-SEL
JFK-FRA
EWR-AMS
ORD-AMS (maybe, when they start in Sept/Oct 2001)

Cheers!
Megatop

airafriquedkr · Thu May 24, 2001 8:33 am

Here's some more (trying not to repeat others)

Air Cameroon: Abidjan-Lagos, Malabo-Libreville, Cotonou-LOS,
NBO-Kinsasha, NBO-Kigali, Bujumbura-Kigali

Air Gabon: Douala-Lome, LOS-ABJ, LOS-Lome, Douala-Bamako, Malabo-Douala

Ghana Airways: Conakry-Banjul, Banjul-Dakar, Cotonou-Lagos,Ouagadougou-Bamako, Abidjan-Monrovia

Ethiopian Airlines: Ndjamena-Khartoum, Bujumbura-Kigali,
Ndjamena-Bamako, Bamako-Dakar, Kinsasha-Lome, FCO-LHR

Air Algerie: Nouakchott-Casablanca

Pluna: Rio de Janeiro-MAD

TAP: Abidjan-Sao Tome

Lan Chile: JFK-Guayaquil, Guayaquil-Lima

Varig: LAX-Lima, LAX-NRT, LHR-CPH, LAX-Nagoya

Iberia: SanJuan, PR-Santo Domingo

Lufthansa: Buenos Aires-Santiago

Lacsa: San Juan PR-Caracas, Santiago-LIM,YYZ-HAV

Continental: Bogota-Quito, Panama City-Guayaquil

Aces: San Juan PR-Santo Domingo

Royal Jordanian: JFK-AMS, ORD-SNN

Tarom: ORD-AMS

Kuwait Airways: ORD-AMS, JFK-LHR, JFK-FRA, CDG-FCO

Korean: LAX-Sao Paulo

Malaysian: Buenos Aires-Cape Town, EWR-Dubai,

Thai: LAX-NRT, LAX-Osaka

JAL: LAX-GRU, JFK-GRU

British Airways: Buenos Aires-Santiago

Avianca: Buenos Aires-Santiago

Swissair: Sao Paulo-Santiago, Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires

Canadian: Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires

Spanair: Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires

United: Guatemala City-San Jose

LAB: Buenos Aires-Montevideo, Bogota-Caracas

CathayPacific: JFK-YVR

PIA: JFK-MAN
Garuda: HKG-SIN, AMS-FRA, BKK-FRA

Syrian Airways: Stockholm-Athens

Air Jamaica: JFK-Barbados

BWIA: JFK-Barbados, JFK-Antigua

South African Airways: JFK-Cape Verde, JFK-Lagos

Royal Air Maroc: JFK-YUL

Biman Bangladesh: JFK-BRU

TOMASKEMPNER · Thu May 24, 2001 9:18 am

UNITED :
NRT-HKG
NRT-PEK
NRT-SIN
NRT-BKK

NORTHWEST
NRT-HKG
NRT-SIN
KIX-KUL
NRT-BKK
NRT-MNL

DELTA
CAI-DXB
FRA-BOM

LAN CHILE
MAD-FRA

MAH4546 · Thu May 24, 2001 9:54 am

Aeromex, it be great if AeroMexico still has the route rights and can still fly it, because MIA-MAD is currently only 21x a week (7x 763, 3x 343, 10x 742) and AA and IB are having trouble keeping up with demand. IB wants to add more flights, but until some stuff is worked out between the US and Spain (which is actually expected to work out smoothly), they can't, and the route is largely underserved. I know it's another day dream, but who knows. It could happen. If loads on MEX-MAD ever get low, there is always the option (assuming they have the rights).

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