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Aircraft Gear Down?

Sun Jul 22, 2001 12:06 pm

I was swimming in my pool about 20 minutes ago and I saw an aircraft fly over, just outbound of Phoenix, and it seemed as though it still had its gear down. Now it looked like a 777 or 767 both of which depart at this time. It looked like it was turning back to Phoenix Int. Keep in mind I did not have my glasses o at the time but im not completely blind without them so im fairly sure of what I saw. I live in northern Glendale, and pretty much anybody who lives in AZ knows where that is, so you can tell how far outbound of PHX it was. Ill keep you updated if that was what I saw.
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Sun Jul 22, 2001 5:35 pm

Maybe it was a missed approach?
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:05 am

In case of executing a missed approach, I think the flightcrew has to pull up the landing gear lever again,hereby pulling the gear up, isn't it?

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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 12:20 am

Hard to say for sure (since so many of the important pieces are missing from the puzzle), but it sounds as if there it may have been a brake cooling situation, i.e., it's left down for a few minutes to cool before retraction into the wells.

Glendale is a bit far west of PHX, so a missed approach off 25L/R or 26 is unlikely. Any departure off one of these runways would also, of course, turn back towards PHX if the destination was *east* of PHX...

Bummer when we can't get our glasses on, isn't it?  Smile

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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:19 am

Yup, I never saw anything on the evening news about it, so It must not've been anything really bad if nothing at all. But also yesterday, a America West Airlines 737 had smoke in the aft cargo hold and came back to land. They had interviewed some people that were on the flight and one lady wasnt gonna get on another plane, she said (in an annoyed,whiny voice) "How do I know somethings not gonna happen on my next flight?" Some people.
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:32 am

Ok this is irrevelant but here goes,

I know that BA operates the 777 out of PHX, but who operates the 767 out of PHX?
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:33 am

Sometimes after arrival airplanes dont have very long to cool there brakes.

You would think the turn around would be long enough but then they taxi.

So sometime they just leave their gear down a little longer after takeoff to cool down the brakes

Only reason I know of.

The black smoke in this pic is from the brakes


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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:36 am

Correction

That is the brake dust that came off when the pilot stopped the wheels from spinning after takeoff.

Brake dust in turn forms when the brakes get hot
 
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In Pattern Or Missed Approach?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 1:45 am

SIA_B777, no, BA does not operate any 767 to my knoledge, just 777s direct to London Gatewick and an occasional 747 maybe. As for the gear question, maybe he was starting his final from the pattern. I've been in the radar room at PHX and we have tons of aircraft all plugged up in the air, inbound from all over the US, Canada, UK and Asia. That really plugs up our airspace and we have a pretty large pattern, working the planes down from diff. flight levels to set up their approaches. PHX is a very easy airport to land at and the runways can accomodate a 747-400 so I think it's very unlikely that someone would miss an approach.

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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:30 am

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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:45 am

RC Pilot,

The driver doesn't stop the wheels from spinning after T.O. It all done for him/her automatically when he/she selects 'UP'.
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 2:55 am

oh ok thanks for the correction

Than that is smoke from the hot brakes
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 5:11 am

There are a few 767 flights out per day, but the one I am referring to is a Delta flight to Las Vegas about the same time the BA flight goes out to london.
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 5:36 am

It's not smoke from particularly hot brakes but rather brake dust generated by the brake application
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:43 am

could you list all the scheduled 767 flights out of PHX?

i'm curious, I thought PHX only got 2 widebodies per day (LH A340 and BA B777)...
 
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 6:58 am

I dont know exactly how many as it changes because of the heat here, such as Air Canada uses a 767 during winter but now uses an A320.
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I know there are at least 2 Delta 767 flights a day, I think 3.
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And Northwest brings in about 3 DC-10 flights a day. Although I dont know if DC-10's count as a widebody.
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RE: Aircraft Gear Down?

Mon Jul 23, 2001 11:54 am

Now that Ive thought about it, the hot brakes theory seems the best. Thanks,
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