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Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:14 pm

I'll start:

- I don't like the looks of the 727. I don't mind the trijets and I'll go so far as to say that the L-1011 was a very beautiful plane, but the 727 doesn't work for me. The tail is too far back, I would fear that it would become horizontal with a good thrust. The 737, specially the NG, is sleeker.

- I don't think the 747 is the most beautiful plane in the sky. That award should go to the 757 (I don't think that's unpopular). Furthermore, I think the 747 looks kinda... lumpy.

- I like how the CRJ looks and feels.

- I think Air France is a top airline and I'm very happy to fly with them.

- I don't think airlines should only look to please their shareholders instead of their passengers (maybe this only apply to A.net). There should be an equilibrium but I would be happy so sacrifice profit for comfort. The way some people talk and defend for profit corporations here, chasing every buck as it were the last, you would think they're the CEOs and not the clients.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:47 pm

The 757 looks like a rat
Q300/ATR72-600/737-200/-300/-400/-700/-800/A320/767-200/-300/757-200/777-300ER/
747-200/-300/-400/ER/A340-300/A380-800/MD-83/-88/CRJ-700/-900
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:27 am

AerolineasAR343 wrote:
- I don't think airlines should only look to please their shareholders instead of their passengers (maybe this only apply to A.net). There should be an equilibrium but I would be happy so sacrifice profit for comfort. The way some people talk and defend for profit corporations here, chasing every buck as it were the last, you would think they're the CEOs and not the clients.


- There should be an equilibrium between profit & comfort. So while the airline should find that equilibrium, passengers must also find the equilibrium for fares that they are willing to pay for the service provided. No point asking for great comfort but expecting the lowest fares that's not even feasible.

- The good old days of airlines flying everywhere are over. It's far more lucrative for airlines to build up alliances & feed off each other rather than expending capital on aircraft & crew just to fly everywhere. Even if some airlines do that (EK), they'd probably find that in the long run it won't be sustainable.

- ME3 are fallible. They have & will provide mediocre service from time to time. Heck, even SQ is fallible.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:57 am

Ok, here we go...

I love old, smoky, Russian jets... I'd pay extra to fly coach on an IL-86 than business in a brand new 787. Besides, I don't like the "sleek" lines and the mean looking face of that jet. I also don't like the blunt nose of the A350.
I love the looks of the 757, but the 757 is noisy.
Hate the 738..it's noisy, rattly, boring...
I love the looks of the AVRO RJ. :-) Especially the stubby, short ones. (to each their own I guess).
Flying was far better in the golden days, and the golden days are gone forever.
I think SAS have always offered a mediocre, somewhat lousy on-board experience, and some of their crews are too old and overweight.
Same goes for most US carriers.
BA is also pretty crap these days for what they charge you..
I like FR.
I don't mind 10-abreast in a 777. I also like 9-abreast on an Airbus :-) (am I just being provocative??)
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:24 am

AerolineasAR343 wrote:
I don't think the 747 is the most beautiful plane in the sky. Furthermore, I think the 747 looks kinda... lumpy.


I agree. I don't voice that opinion on here, but I will go along with your start!

oldannyboy wrote:
Flying was far better in the golden days, and the golden days are gone forever.


I agree, but it is safer now. People though (I am sure) didn't put their feet on the seat, and demand things. One thing that is gone forever, gladly though, is smoking on planes in the cabin being commonplace. That one can stay in the yesteryear.

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The hidden costs and add-ons of LCC, I am sure that is not an unpopular opinion, but I find it like solving a cryptic crossword, when trying to book a flight.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:27 am

For me

- I think EK, NZ, CX and WN are overrated
- I like the look of the A380
- I do not like the 777-200
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:55 am

The 777 is the foremost type responsible for the trend that airplanes will all look the same in future.

The 773 and 77W are ugly behemoths on the ground.

4 engines for longhaul (well, not too unpopular I think).

The longer an airplane is being stretched, the uglier it gets (not the majority, but still many will agree with me)

LCCs are ruining aviation culture and the business.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:01 am

I dont like PTVs stuffed in my face, and will choose a carrier that does not have them over a carrier that does when given the option.....

The most amazing entertainment mankind has ever created is looking outside at the world go by down below us, seeing reef's, the deepest darkest oceans, thunderstorms from 35000ft, I'll take that over re-runs of Will & Grace on a shitty 7" TV every day of the week.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:03 am

- The 77W is the most beautiful plane ever made
- The A330 is ugly
- All regional jets suck
- Narrobodies for flights over 2 hours are extremely uncomfortable
- LCC are ruining the pleasure of travel
- US airlines suck (mostly their service, with very few exceptions)
- EK, VA, QF are overrated
- Service on SQ, TG, NH, CX, KA is the best in the world
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:10 am

RRTrent wrote:
I dont like PTVs stuffed in my face, and will choose a carrier that does not have them over a carrier that does when given the option..

The most amazing entertainment mankind has ever created is looking outside at the world go by down below us, seeing reef's, the deepest darkest oceans, thunderstorms from 35000ft, I'll take that over re-runs of Will & Grace on a shitty 7" TV every day of the week.


I don't mind PTVs, but combine them with seat reclining, and they are too close for comfort, in Y.

I get involved in the inflight entertainment now, much to my chagrin really, as I agree, the things you can miss outside - day or night - and you can have those programs any day of the week! I guess they are distracting, which can be good sometimes, in rough weather.

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Exit rows: I avoid them. I am not tall anyway, but you have extra responsibility on the aircraft, and you can't access your hand luggage from the seat.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:14 am

Hey guys,
#1 The 'Landor' livery is NOT the best BA livery - I much preferred the 'Negus' ones and the following...
#2 I LOVED the BA 'World Tails/Utopia' liveries and wish that they had continued
#3 I don't mind 'eurowhite' liveries if done well (eg. Swiss, Air France's original but not the 'AIRFRANCE' modernised version)
#4 Alan Joyce (of QF fame) is a genius and I think he is a wonderful man personally
#5 Air NZ is chic and cool and a great little boutique airline but I think that QF and VA are so much better in almost every way
#6 There IS a sustainable market for nonstop Sydney-Seattle, Sydney-LHR, Sydney-JFK and Australia-East Africa (ET or KQ) flights ... it would take guts and resilience (and the right equipment) to make them work but I believe that they COULD work
#7 That Sydney's glacially slow development of a second international airport should be accelerated and enlarged in scope as a national infrastructure project, provided with HSR to the CBD and eventually replace Kingsford-Smith as a 'hub' airport for QF/VA etc in a few decades ... and oh, be named after the local indigenous nation that it is sited in!
Think I will calm down now .... What a great thread!
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:17 am

I love the recent ULCC movements in the United States and think more major airlines should offer unbundled fares. I like the pay for what you want options that the ULCCs like Spirit and Frontier and Allegiant offer. You get to pay for what you want, and it gives you better flexibility with your budget. It only gives you the ability to save money and the business model is such that it allows the airlines to save money. Seems like a win-win for everybody.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:26 pm

Here goes.....
1. LHR is not the worst airport in Europe ....by a very very long way!
2. AMS is overrated - getting through passport control takes ages even with a EU passport
3. A380 - I like the look of it, certainly enjoy flying in it
4. EK - what is so special about their service? I've flown them 3 times, all average at best. Wouldn't bother again.
5. QF - one of the best, I've flown them over 60 times, really can not complain about anything worth complaining about. Love them!
6. BA - much prefer the Negus livery to the highly rated Landor scheme
7. A350 - looks like a high speed train ...why does it have the black window surrounds?
8. AA/UA/DL - are any of them really any good?
9. US Carriers - miss the lack of choice from the "old" days with Northwest, Piedmont, PSA, AirCal, Western, Continental, Eastern, Ozark, Republic, America West, US Airways etc.....is this really progress?
10. Lament the passing of properly liveries with cheatlines etc....Air NZ, JAL, Lufthansa etc., breaks up white bit!
11. I actually miss Pan Am
12. Back to colour schemes....no they don't need changing every 4-5 years, just because some PR consultant thinks it does.
to be continued.....
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:03 pm

[quote="AerolineasAR343"]

- I think Air France is a top airline and I'm very happy to fly with them.

WOW... This guy clearly has no idea ...!
Very likely to have been drinking..?
Maybe a blow to the head...?
IMO, AF are one of the unsafest Airlines flying ....
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:34 pm

n729pa wrote:
Here goes.....
4. EK - what is so special about their service? I've flown them 3 times, all average at best. Wouldn't bother again.
5. QF - one of the best, I've flown them over 60 times, really can not complain about anything worth complaining about. Love them!
9. US Carriers - miss the lack of choice from the "old" days with Northwest, Piedmont, PSA, AirCal, Western, Continental, Eastern, Ozark, Republic, America West, US Airways etc.....is this really progress?
11. I actually miss Pan Am
12. Back to colour schemes....no they don't need changing every 4-5 years, just because some PR consultant thinks it does.


I do not think these opinions are unpopular.
As for point 12, the average life of a livery is more like 15 years, and after 15 years in most cases its about time to change. Times change, so do tastes, fashion, liveries...
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:27 pm

a) I prefer the A345 vs the 747 visually
b) The lower capacity of the 777-200LR makes 3-4-3 bearable; it's not too bad
c) LAX immigration isn't that bad

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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:19 pm

1. Airlines shouldn't operate planes older than 20 years old.
2. Airlines shouldn't start to operate planes older than 13 years old.
3. Flights exceeding 4 hours 40 minutes should only be operated by widebodies.
4. Flight paths should be as straight as possible.
5. Boeings 757 and 767 are already very outdated planes, and should be retired as soon as possible.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:27 pm

The RR powered A380 is not quiet from the outside.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:46 pm

Here goes...

1. Like transferring at LHR (even through different terminals) and AMS (it's really straight forward).
2. Don't like transferring through CDG (just not a fan of the place).
3. Like Dubai airport, but I hate transferring during the middle of the night (which is often the case).
4. Hate the new Iberia livery, the old one is a classic.
5. Prefer the old airliners.net format.
6. Don't understand why non-aircraft fans get excited about the Dreamliner. It's just another new plane, what do they think is going to be better about it?
7. Love flying on the Embraer 170 to 195 series.
8. My favourite meals have been on Air France. But AF would not be my first choice airline.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:36 am

1) I only had bad experiences with LH and don't think they deserve 4 stars by Skytrax at all
2) I love the black A350 cockpit windows
3) AY has probably my favorite livery despite being almost all-white
4) The 787 is certainly not a Dreamliner in Economy
5) Nothing beats an A330/A340 on longhaul
6) I´m happy that i cannot use the internet for a few hours while flying
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:44 am

I'm one of those contemptible heretics who think the 747 not only isn't the most beautiful aircraft in the sky, but among the the Boeing/Airbus/DC crowd, it's by far the ugliest. Even beating the ridiculous looking tri-jets. The only uglier thing from these manufacturers are their plane-parts-transport variants.

I also don't think LHR is anywhere as terrible as some folks here make it out to be. You don't even have to leave London area to find worse airports - both Luton and Gatwick are utter dumps by comparison. Gatwick, if nothing else, for the absurd level of understaffing, Luton for, well, everything about it. Stanstead is not quite as bad but I'd still rather use LHR.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:24 am

1. United isn't as bad as people make it out to be
2. I purposely avoid the 787 - just boring
3. I prefer the 757 to widebodies when flying Transatlantic (trijets excepted)
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:24 pm

#1. Most controversial. United's tulip logo was ugly. Not only ugly but the logo always looked like a W to me and whoever called it 'Tulip' must have been smoking another plant-based product.
#2. American's new livery is growing on me. I actually like it. A lot
#3. JFK isn't that bad an airport with all the new terminals. As a matter of fact it is pretty good.
#4. Re: airports, What's so special about Dubai or Inchon? Who cares if it has a gazillion shops? From passenger point of view the goal is to get through it as quickly as possible. Good food options, a bookstore, observation deck is all you need.
#5. Waaay too many smaller jets in development. The world needs a Mitsubishi jet or an Irkut jet or even a C-series like a hole in the head. If you want to break the A/B duopoly, a jet to compete with larger long-range jets.
#6. UHL is a bad idea. A stop to stretch ones legs is a good thing! NY-London fine, NY to JNB (even though I just flew it) naah, would've preferred a stop somewhere. How much longer would your trip be really?
#7. Narrow bodies are just as good as widebodies for flights of 5 hours or more. Can't understand preference for widebodies. I mean the seats are the same.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:09 pm

1. The 777 looks boring.
2. The world would be a better place if there were more DC-9/MD-80/MD-90/717s operating. I love the 2x3 seating and the looks of the rear-mounted engines (especially the BR715s on the 717).
3. I think the A320 series is pretty, especially the A321.
4. Northwest was a great airline.
5. I prefer leather seats over cloth.
6. I would rather have an empty row in coach than sit next to someone in domestic first class.
7. CRJ-700/900s aren't that bad. CRJ-100/200s are horrible, however.
8. The split scimitar winglets on the 737 look ridiculous.
9. The 737 looked better with eyebrow windows.
10. MSP is the best hub in the US.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:46 pm

"Rising Blue" was a hideous livery and I'll be happy to never see it again.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:17 pm

1. I disliked AA's old livery. It was very outdated, and downright ugly on everything except MD80 and 767. Don't get me started on their old Oneworld livery.
2. VX is my favorite American Airline, and I'll fly it whenever I get the option, but it's so overhyped.
3. Stretches make more aircraft look good. I love the longnecked 753 and the majestic A346 (although that's probably because the engines look 10000000× better then A343).
4. The A380 is not dying.
5. The CRJ-900 series wasn't a good competitor to the E-jet.
6. I like the Latam (LT?) livery.
7. There's no need for an airline to use 787s domestically when they send 75/6s without entertainment across the atlantic.
8. There will be another Concorde.
9. The A389 won't happen.
10. In moderation, turbulence is fun.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:01 am

- The Boeing 767 series looks damn ugly
- The A320-Series doesn't look good with IAE-Engines
- I prefer ATR over Dash-8 any time
- Most middle east airlines are slavedrivers
- The best regional airliner is the BAe146
- The A330/A340 is much more comfortable than the B777
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:13 am

na wrote:
The 777 is the foremost type responsible for the trend that airplanes will all look the same in future.

The 773 and 77W are ugly behemoths on the ground.

4 engines for longhaul (well, not too unpopular I think).

The longer an airplane is being stretched, the uglier it gets (not the majority, but still many will agree with me)

LCCs are ruining aviation culture and the business.

Amen!
RRTrent wrote:
I dont like PTVs stuffed in my face, and will choose a carrier that does not have them over a carrier that does when given the option.....

The most amazing entertainment mankind has ever created is looking outside at the world go by down below us, seeing reef's, the deepest darkest oceans, thunderstorms from 35000ft, I'll take that over re-runs of Will & Grace on a shitty 7" TV every day of the week.

And can I get a Hallelujah?
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:58 am

I *hate* slide-forward "reclining" seats. They just take space away at the knees, where I need it most. Give me a standard reclining seat any day. In fact, *require* everybody to recline! That way nobody loses anything. (I understand requiring everybody to sit up during takeoff and landing, or I'd say just build the seats pre-reclined.)

I like it when the F/A's force everyone to close the shades and then dim the cabin. What the hell are you looking at outside? Once you reach cruise, in most cases the haze and/or clouds prevent you from seeing anything anyway.

I want more government regulation of airlines. They are being supported by our tax dollars at the airports they use to conduct their business - for example, $5.3 billion and counting of *my* tax money to fix up LGA. And that's not even talking about the FAA or ATC and their ongoing costs. I want my elected officials to have more say in how airlines treat their customers and what services they must provide. I do not understand people that are totally okay with just throwing money at private industry. This is just a long, ongoing government bailout, with no strings attached. If airlines want my money, they should be required to do certain things to get it.

The previous JAL livery was better than the current one, crane and all.

Flying has not gotten universally cheaper over the years. Economy has, but it's also gotten significantly worse - it's not even really the same class as what we used to call "coach". It's more like "coach minus". First class is far more expensive, adjusting for inflation. It used to be that an average person could afford to splurge on first class once in a while, as my family sometimes did. Impossible now.

I think airline frequent flier programs have become a joke, and they're all going to pay for it in the long run. There's very little reason for anyone but the biggest spenders to stay loyal to one airline anymore. And that will just accelerate the race to the bottom as airlines try to attract new customers with even lower fares.

The worst Japanese LCC is a better flying experience than the best US legacy carrier.

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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:57 am

I miss the good old days, when on the Eastern air shuttle between Boston and Newark, the DC9 that was scheduled had mechanical problems and they substituted a Lockheed Electra. ., The vibration made me feel like I was in a dentists' chair.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:36 pm

1. I think the 787 is ugly. Especially the nose.
2. I can't stand the ATR
3. I think the BAe146 is a pointless plane
4. I think the RB211 on the 757 doesn't look good on it and doesn't sound good compared to the PW2000 or bigger RB211s.
5. I hate the 737-900/ER/9.
6. The 767 is my all time favorite. It is an underapreciated plane.
7. The 777 is far more beautiful and far more exciting than the 787.
8. I love the 737-100/-200, but don't like the rest of the 737s.
9. AA's bare metal only worked on the MD-80 and 757, otherwise it looked awful.
10. I think the A340-200/-300/-500 were very pointless and the A340-600 is outdone by the 777.
11. Why have 3-4 engines when two can do the job?
12. I like the DC-8 better than the 707.
13. The DC-9 platform was better than the 737.
14. I think narrow chord fans sound much better spooling up and I love the sound of clappers.
15. The A330 is great, but not the best looking plane out there.
16. I prefer the 767 over the A300 and A310.
17. I have never enjoyed or been comfortable flying on an E170/190 (seats are very hard).
18. I will aviod LCCs and never fly on ULCCs
19. I think the Dash-8 is better than the ATR.
20. Qatar is the worst of the ME3. I have far more respect for Ethiad and Emraites and even then...
21. The Continental globe doesn't work with the UA name and is outdated and must go.
22. When I pay to select a window seat I want control over the window no matter where we're going and how long it takes. I someone doesn't like it, they should have brought one of those eye covers.
23. The race for the bottom wouldn't exist if people weren't so cheap.
24. The worst place to sit on a plane is the back unless it has tail engines, the best place to sit is over the wing or in first/business.
25. I think the MRJ isn't a very good plane.
27. The 787 is far overhyped. This is pure fact.
28. The new British liver looks better than the stuffy Landor that reminds me or a cold, rainy day in London.
29. Airlines shouldn't retire planes that are only 10 years old unless they are bad or are returned leaseds.
30. I like the CRJ-700/-900 and I don't mind the -200.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:41 pm

I LOVE flying with AA.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:57 am

1. The CRJ is a perfectly fine plane, I like flying it
2. 737s look better than 757s
3. 707s look better than 747s, therefore the 707 is the most beautiful jetliner ever built
4. DC-8s (and KC-135s) do not look better with CFM-56 engines...nothing beats the JT3D
5. UA Battleship Grey livery is terrible
6. The current CO-UA mashup livery is not bad
7. The DC-10 looks better than the L1011
8. 3-4-3 on the 777 is not the end of the world
9. I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but the A380 is the ugliest jetliner to ever enter wide scale production
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:28 pm

I hate everyone else on board, but me.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:37 am

The 742's the best-looking 747 out there.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:19 am

Other things I missed,

-The ME3 can not be trusted
-VA do not need the 777 & ATR
-AAs new livery is good
-The A330 & A380 are better and more comfortable to fly on then the 777
-I do not like onboard wifi, one of the joys of flying is being disconnected for a few hours
-CX's new livery is appalling
-Aisle seats are better for night flights
-Overwight people should buy 2 seats on an LCC on the same route rather than a single seat on a full service airline
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:09 am

I posted earlier in the thread, but noticed many people giving lists... so excluding my PTV issues, here are a few more of my unpopular opinions.

- Ryanair are actually a very good airline
- Air Canada’s livery is beautiful
- Winglets look sh*t on aircraft that weren’t designed with them (A320, 737, 757 ect)
- LHR and ORD are good airports to connect trough
- The Checkerboard approach at Kai Tak may have looked cool, but it was no more impressive than the Canarsie or expressway visual in NY, and I’m fortunate enough to have flown on all 3
- The 747 should have been discontinued in the mid 2000’s once orders for the 400 dried up
- France should do a “Regan” on their constantly striking ATC workers, or be harshly punished
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:03 pm

Here I go.

1. I hate WN and I avoid flying them whenever possible
2. The A330 is ugly but the A340 is gorgeous. The A330 is especially ugly with RR engines.
4. The CRJ is very pretty and is a damn good plane, especially the 900 and 1000
3. The old bare metal AA livery is hideous and the new one is superior in every conceivable way
4. I prefer flying on regional jets over mainline narrowbodies because they don't have middle seats
5. The 737-200 is the only 737 that doesn't suck
6. United is a perfectly good airline
7. The MD-11 is the prettiest commericial airliner of all time
8. Air France has the most boring livery in the entire world
9. The ME3 are overrated. Unless you fly first class on them, you're not getting an experience that's any better than any other airline
10. I'm still pissed about AA killing TWA
11. The Sukhoi Superjet 100 is an excellent plane and airlines that turn their nose up at it simply because it's Russian are morons
12. Stretched airplanes almost always look better
13. I hated NWA's bowling shoe livery
14. The TWA twin globe logo is the best airline logo of all time
15. The Embraer 170/190 series are the best commercial jets ever made
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:51 pm

1. I agree with the OP's opinion on the 747. Awkward curves and a "lumpy" look IMO. For me it's a toss up between the 752 and the A319 for best looking plane.
2. The AA/DL/UA don't deserve all the hate they receive. I've flown with a good sampling of carriers in the last 2 or 3 years including CA, LA, AF, BA, EY, QF, DL, UA, WN, WW, AC, FI, U2, 9W and probably some more that I'm forgetting and I've never had a bad experience with them and I think their onboard experience is adequate in econ. Not the best by any means just not as terrible as everybody makes them sound.
3. I hate, hate, HATE pre clearance on international flights to the USA. I think this is one of the worst ideas ever (from the passenger's perspective) and it's very discouraging that this program is expanding.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:36 am

KentB27 wrote:
13. I hated NWA's bowling shoe livery

I could not agree more on this one, I almost included it in my list. The livery looked even worse when the red on the top of the fuselage invariably became faded...it's the only livery that could make a DC-9-14 look not so good!
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:28 pm

1. I love the entire CRJ series for their looks (among the best-looking airplanes around) and anything >700 also for flying.
2. I think the 747-400 looks unproportional and unasthaetic.
3. The 747-8 is the most beautiful airplane around.
4. The A340 -200 and -300 are the worst-looking widebodies around.
5. I really used to like US Airways, especially their livery.
6. I don't care about how inconvenient connecting might be, FRA will always be my #1 favorite airport.
7. While I despise the trend that every airplane is becoming a twin-engined tube I also feel like they all look amazing.
8. AC and AA changed their livery for the better, those two are now among the most beautiful.
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:53 pm

1) I don't mind flying on EMB145s and CRJs, and on many cases actually prefer them over A320/737s.
2) There is really no major difference in service on the US3 vs European airlines in Y, and short haul flying in the US is superior to that in Europe.
3) Most cheatline liveries are ugly.
4) I don't care if airlines charge for checked baggage.
5a) More airlines should charge for carry-ons (that need to go in bins)
Or
5b) Overhead bins should be removed, and only luggage able to fit underseat allowed in the cabin with a few exceptions (strollers, wheelchairs, etc) with the rest required to be checked.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:18 am

One thing that drives me crazy is when people call Icelandair a Low Cost or "Backpacker Friendly" alternative to flying Trans-Atlantic. Every time I check on their fares from YYZ to anywhere in Europe it's almost always well over $1000 round trip, and even just direct YYZ-KEF-YYZ in October is $850+ round-trip depending on the day. I've never seen a low fare from Icelandair.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:25 am

I think LCC travel on flights over 6h should deemed inhumane and made illegal.. The same goes for having a minimum standard of Y class seat dimensions for all airlines. with regular audits.
On a related note, I hate the 787.
The EMB175/190 should be turned into a long range aircraft as it is more comfortable than most longhaulers to fly on
" Overhead bins should be removed, and only luggage able to fit underseat allowed in the cabin" Totally agree.
Flown to 147 Airports in 62 Countries on 83 Operators and counting. Wanderlust is like Syphilis, once you have the itch it's too late for treatment.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:59 pm

- the new AA livery is one of my favorite liveries
- the AvroJet is an absolute fun ride
- US flight attendants are much nicer than their European counterparts
- AF is better than KL and actually a good airline
- EK's J cabin is hideous
- LHR is a mess
- the sound (aka noise) of an old Soviet Ilyushin or Tupolev is absolutely wonderful
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:25 am

1. New AA paint and logo is terrible. The planes look dirty and cheap.
2. CO/UA's new branding looks great
3. European business practices are setting a dangerous precedent and ruining the industry.
4. DY is a flag of convienece sham set up by a shady CEO
5. ME3 are subsidized and won't stand the test of time. Flying low yielding traffic all over the world isn't a sound business model.
6. The A321 and A333 are airbus's two greatest products ever.
7. A380 is a bad design
8. LHR is a mess
9. ULCC's are terrible
10. the 787/A350 are very boring airplanes.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:37 pm

Alexdk wrote:
1. Airlines shouldn't operate planes older than 20 years old.
2. Airlines shouldn't start to operate planes older than 13 years old.
3. Flights exceeding 4 hours 40 minutes should only be operated by widebodies.
4. Flight paths should be as straight as possible.
5. Boeings 757 and 767 are already very outdated planes, and should be retired as soon as possible.


When are flight paths not as straight as possible? Excluding weather or otherwise close airspace, there's effectively no reason or operational advantage for straight and efficient routing.
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:39 pm

1. I find Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) perfectly acceptable and would fly there instead of JFK or LGA.
2. On the same topic, Los Angeles International Airport is also perfectly acceptable (flying out of T6/T7 on UA of course).
3. I cannot stand Spirit Airlines and will not fly it ever again. In fact, I can't stand all of the ULCC and would avoid if possible.
4. China Airlines (CI) is a perfectly good Taiwanese carrier. If it weren't because I'm with United, I would fly China Airlines for TPE/Asia.
5. Was super excited about flying my first Boeing 787-8 but then the experience was very anticlimactic. It's super, very average and I still had really bad jet-lag.
TPE X LAX X NYC :airplane:
 
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:11 pm

1. The 747 is an excessively loud craft, and all of the value of it to modern (and future) aviation is purely sentimental and historical (or cargo).
2. The 787's higher altitude and smoother turbulence handling ultimately lead solely to perception of significant improvement via placebo effect. Any possible benefits are offset by the cramped configurations they are typically flown with.
3. Demand for all-aisle-access business is overrated, and low density business class may not last long as companies become more and more accustomed to sending employees via economy or premium economy. The trend of lowering business class density for non-name-value carriers (name value carriers being carriers that are already known for luxury, such as SQ, EY) will not last particularly long, as it most likely will not actually lead to J travelers willing to pay higher fares, and many airlines will eventually return to higher density configurations amongst most carriers (though will still preserve flat bed configurations).
4. Airbus widebodies are far quieter than Boeing widebodies.
5. DY is the one greatest threat to the established, exploitative fares in the TATL market. And, hopefully, they will be the ones to finally offer reasonable fares rather than the current exploitative pricing of TATL.
5a. The DY scandals are purely petty issues, probably with plenty of hypocritical equivalents within the US that are defended by the same people speaking out, that politicians are getting worked up over thanks purely to lobbying and/or donations, and that the public gets worked up over simply due to being told they should get worked up over it.
6.There are long haul markets that LAX or JFK would in fact not be the absolute best option(s) for, even some routes that LAX/JFK would not handle but a different airport would.
7. We should start speculating about the A350neo already for the heck of it.
8. I would rather have more food than more legroom. (But it could be since I'm a pretty small person to begin with)
9. WiFi and Power plugs are the most important (edit:) luxuries a plane can have. (Is this really unpopular though? Sometimes it feels like it on A.Net!)
10.The next generation of Boeing narrowbody should have sufficient range and power to make it the 737, 757, AND 767-300ER replacement range-wise.
11. A.Net seriously needs HTTPS.
12. And it's really messed up that #11 is unpopular.
13. UA is a superior airline to AA in every (subjective) regard.
14. There should be a sub-737 size craft (such as Embraer or Bombardier) capable of US Transcon and West Coast-Hawaii missions.
15. UA timing transcons out of SFO for Asia connections (particularly red-eye eastbound and early morning westbound) is a bad move, alienating O&D, and trying to connect passengers through SFO that would likely be equally served via ORD or EWR.
16. LAX is getting seriously far too much service in a single airport and something needs to seriously be done to equip one of its neighbor airports to also handle long haul flights.
17. SFO and SEA can draw feed from LAX-Area airports (such as BUR, SNA, PSP) thanks to the mass amounts of people local to those airports who would rather connect via SFO/SEA than undergo the traffic to/from and long lines at LAX for a nonstop.

I am wondering if someone will say:
"Smisek was a good guy"
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Re: Your aviation 'unpopular opinions'

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:29 pm

1. I love the 787 in economy. In fact I had the best experience flying ever in that plane.
2. I am actually excited to see what Boeing will come up with for this Mad Max

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