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JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:13 pm

I had my first experience in a Mint configured B6 A321 recently and I have to say it was significantly better than the A320s and E190s (I had a connection later in the day on one of the A320s and it was almost like flying on two separate airlines). I wasn't actually in Mint (or even Y+ for that matter) but the newer seat was much more comfortable and I loved the larger touchscreen. This brings me to two questions:

1. Are the non-Mint configured A321s the same just minus the Mint?
2. Does B6 have any plans to refresh the A320s and E190s with the newer seats and screens?
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:36 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
I had my first experience in a Mint configured B6 A321 recently and I have to say it was significantly better than the A320s and E190s (I had a connection later in the day on one of the A320s and it was almost like flying on two separate airlines). I wasn't actually in Mint (or even Y+ for that matter) but the newer seat was much more comfortable and I loved the larger touchscreen. This brings me to two questions:

1. Are the non-Mint configured A321s the same just minus the Mint?
2. Does B6 have any plans to refresh the A320s and E190s with the newer seats and screens?


I just flew for the first time on a jetBlue A321 -- which was a Mint aircraft -- this past weekend: BOS-LAX and LAX-BOS. I agree that -- while I do like the comfy seats and great legroom on the older B6 A320s -- I preferred the A321, as its entertainment system was vastly superior and the slimline seats were surprisingly comfortable.

1. Yes and no. In place of Mint, the "non-Mint" A321s have five rows of Even More Space at the front, but the remaining two are scattered throughout the rest of the cabin (rows 10 and 23) for a total of 34 rows. Meanwhile, the Mint aircraft have virtually the same number of "even more space" seats, but only have 29 rows of total seats, and the even more space rows are grouped together in rows 6-10 and 18-19. From an economy class perspective, this review suggests that the non-Mint A321s do feature the same slimline seats and big TVs that the Mint aircraft do.
2. jetBlue's A320s are scheduled to be "restyled" by 2019. The E190s are not scheduled to be restyled.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:40 pm

JB dropped the ball and went from having A320 cutting edge cabins in 2000 to old and dated in 2017.

They are trying to clean things up before the refresh (which will take time) but one has to wonder how they let things get so bad.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:50 pm

The A320's are back on track to be refurbished and to match the new A321 interior. However, Zodiac known for its subpar productions screwed up with the space flex lavatories on some of the A321's. Jetblue first had to have all new lavatories installed in 21 A321. Now, however that those A321 are fixed they have indicated they will proceed with the A320's. See links below.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ts-on-a320

http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News ... k-on-track
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:55 pm

I didn't find the 34" of pitch on the A320s very roomy. Likely because they are non-slimline but I felt the 33" (RIP) A321's HD. had more room
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:35 pm

I am making my first (B6) A321 trip this spring and looking forward to it. Glad to hear the seat "feels" like more room even in a smaller footprint. Do you recall if there were power and/or USB in the coach seat?
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:53 pm

The A321 mint y seats are pretty nice. 33 inch pitch, great interior and have the "market place" in the middle. Definitely prefer it over the A320 seats, which needs to be updated ASAP. Still like the E90 the most though.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:12 pm

tphuang wrote:
The A321 mint y seats are pretty nice. 33 inch pitch, great interior and have the "market place" in the middle. Definitely prefer it over the A320 seats, which needs to be updated ASAP. Still like the E90 the most though.


Agreed 100%.
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:23 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
I had my first experience in a Mint configured B6 A321 recently and I have to say it was significantly better than the A320s and E190s (I had a connection later in the day on one of the A320s and it was almost like flying on two separate airlines). I wasn't actually in Mint (or even Y+ for that matter) but the newer seat was much more comfortable and I loved the larger touchscreen. This brings me to two questions:

1. Are the non-Mint configured A321s the same just minus the Mint?
2. Does B6 have any plans to refresh the A320s and E190s with the newer seats and screens?


1. Yes the Core A321's are newer, I flew on one from BOS-MCO the other day, very nice i must say and pretty much the same as DL's equivalent on BOS-ATL.
2. The 190's not so much, the 320's will be refreshed i bet as part of the cabin refits to add the extra seats from 150 to 162.
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:44 pm

VS4ever wrote:
AviationAddict wrote:
I had my first experience in a Mint configured B6 A321 recently and I have to say it was significantly better than the A320s and E190s (I had a connection later in the day on one of the A320s and it was almost like flying on two separate airlines). I wasn't actually in Mint (or even Y+ for that matter) but the newer seat was much more comfortable and I loved the larger touchscreen. This brings me to two questions:

1. Are the non-Mint configured A321s the same just minus the Mint?
2. Does B6 have any plans to refresh the A320s and E190s with the newer seats and screens?


1. Yes the Core A321's are newer, I flew on one from BOS-MCO the other day, very nice i must say and pretty much the same as DL's equivalent on BOS-ATL.
2. The 190's not so much, the 320's will be refreshed i bet as part of the cabin refits to add the extra seats from 150 to 162.



So there are 3 things here.

The 190s will be redone if they keep any I am still guessing they keep 30 and buy 30 e2s
The 320s are going in for heavy checks and they are adding seats and redoing the cabin. The first one is being done than they will give it a once over test it out see if it all works than start on more.
The rest of the fleet will be cleaned up on the inside while they wait for a refit since as one poster put it they have really let things go.
They have actually set aside money for cleaning in the cabins and redoing the fleet.
Soon a new entertainment system will be rolled out and more coverage for the internet areas.
The have finally acknowledged that they really ignored the cabins. We will see how it goes.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:50 pm

varsity wrote:
I am making my first (B6) A321 trip this spring and looking forward to it. Glad to hear the seat "feels" like more room even in a smaller footprint. Do you recall if there were power and/or USB in the coach seat?


Every a321 has in seat power. The a320s will get it with the new interior.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:09 pm

I've flown on the A320 and the Core A321. The A320s are fine to me. Perfectly comfortable, no issues for me. The core A321s though, WOW. I flew two of them in in August from JFK-MCO-JFK overnight in Even More Space and they were great.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:02 pm

A few images of N646; the first A320 to go through cabin restyling.

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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:59 pm

Great pics, glad to see this is finally moving forward. Curious over the choice though, N646JB was my last flown A320 and it was one of the nicer A320 cabins in the fleet, many older birds that are more tired than this one.
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:13 pm

What is the seating config. on the Mint birds, and total capacity ?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:31 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
JB dropped the ball and went from having A320 cutting edge cabins in 2000 to old and dated in 2017.
They are trying to clean things up before the refresh (which will take time) but one has to wonder how they let things get so bad.


I don't know if dropping the ball is a valid comment. What's the average lifespan of an airline's hard product? It's a huge investment so wouldn't surprise me if it was in the 15-20 year range. It feels like BA's hasn't changed in 20 years LOL
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:33 pm

I hope they hurry. The current product difference is huge between the A320 and A321.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:11 pm

airbazar wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
JB dropped the ball and went from having A320 cutting edge cabins in 2000 to old and dated in 2017.
They are trying to clean things up before the refresh (which will take time) but one has to wonder how they let things get so bad.


I don't know if dropping the ball is a valid comment. What's the average lifespan of an airline's hard product? It's a huge investment so wouldn't surprise me if it was in the 15-20 year range. It feels like BA's hasn't changed in 20 years LOL


Although Delta seems to do a pretty good job of keeping their interiors fresh regardless of the plane age.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:44 am

Capn wrote:
What is the seating config. on the Mint birds, and total capacity ?
Thanks in advance.

Here is a good seat map
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/JetBl ... anscon.php

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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:45 am

Super80Fan wrote:
Great pics, glad to see this is finally moving forward. Curious over the choice though, N646JB was my last flown A320 and it was one of the nicer A320 cabins in the fleet, many older birds that are more tired than this one.


N646JB was due for a C6 HMV where the entire interior would be gutted anyway. The first few mods will be done during the heavier HMVs due to the longer downtime for the aircraft. Once all the quirks of the mod are worked out, Service Bulletins and ECs amended, etc., we should start seeing a ramp up happen on the shorter checks too. Typically a B6 aircraft goes into an HMV every 2 years.

I have had the opportunity to work with this mod for quite some time, including all tours of duty this year being in GSO with this aircraft. It is quite the work package for the airline, MRO (HAECO Americas GSO), Airbus, Zodiac and Thales. This is a huge collaborative effort.

I'm looking forward to N646JB getting all the kinks out when I return in a week, and us ramping up after.

N646JB is an A320 classic, as will be the next aircraft, so it is more in depth due to all the sidewalls and overhead bins needing replacement. She was starting to look really good when I left GSO last week, like an entire new plane. This was an amazing collaborative effort and I am happy to be a part of it and bringing an enhanced experience to my crew and customers!
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:04 am

B6JFKH81 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Great pics, glad to see this is finally moving forward. Curious over the choice though, N646JB was my last flown A320 and it was one of the nicer A320 cabins in the fleet, many older birds that are more tired than this one.


N646JB was due for a C6 HMV where the entire interior would be gutted anyway. The first few mods will be done during the heavier HMVs due to the longer downtime for the aircraft. Once all the quirks of the mod are worked out, Service Bulletins and ECs amended, etc., we should start seeing a ramp up happen on the shorter checks too. Typically a B6 aircraft goes into an HMV every 2 years.

I have had the opportunity to work with this mod for quite some time, including all tours of duty this year being in GSO with this aircraft. It is quite the work package for the airline, MRO (HAECO Americas GSO), Airbus, Zodiac and Thales. This is a huge collaborative effort.

I'm looking forward to N646JB getting all the kinks out when I return in a week, and us ramping up after.

N646JB is an A320 classic, as will be the next aircraft, so it is more in depth due to all the sidewalls and overhead bins needing replacement. She was starting to look really good when I left GSO last week, like an entire new plane. This was an amazing collaborative effort and I am happy to be a part of it and bringing an enhanced experience to my crew and customers!


Got it, thanks for the info!
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:38 pm

The only B6 aircraft I have yet to fly on is the E190, but I have to say the newer versions of the Core A321s are very nice. I think they rearranged the Y+ seats too because they used to be more scattered unlike the A320 but now they have the first 5 rows as Even More Space. Used to be the bulkheads and a few rows by the wing. The PTVs are definitely superior to the A320..for now. Alas, most of my B6 travel is on the A320 and I find their Even More Space seats to be very comfortable to the point where I always purchase them. I'm flying JFK-DAB in May and managed to get 2A on their A320. There's tons of leg room to the point where it feels like I'm in First Class.
 
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Re: JetBlue Cabin Questions

Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:31 pm

This thread is music to my ears. I have replied to every survey B6 has sent me after-flight stating they need to get it together and re-fresh these cabins. Those TV's are the same ones that broadcast their infamous live TV from the seat emergency landing in what 2000/2001?
They most definitely did drop the ball, they should have been updating every 5-7 years, 18 years is insane. I am however in love with the new look and hope the ramp up truly is an impressive one, multiple aircraft per month. Entire fleet in a year or so. As stated above, DL clearly has set the bar for refits, and they are churning them in and out amazing fast. I've been on so many 757's the past year and not one was not refurbished. Beautiful, taking an old bird and making her new again.
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