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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:03 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
Probably Concorde had many rumored orders that amounted to zilch.


I think most were firm and cancelled. They even built an aircaft with intent of delivering to Pan Am.

Northwest had a rumoured A340 order? Was too young back then...
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:05 pm

Probably Concorde had many rumored orders that amounted to zilch.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:06 pm

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Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:08 pm

I am interested in discussing the rumors of airlines ordering some type of aircraft, which did not come into fruition (not even LOI, let alone firm order or actual delivery), or at most confirmed information about negotiations that lead to nothing. So no cancelled orders please.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:13 pm

AntonioMartin wrote:
Probably Concorde had many rumored orders that amounted to zilch.

At least 14 Airlines, not counting AF and BA, had non-firm orders.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:15 pm

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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:40 pm

How about TWA' s A300s for the re-launch of transatlantic operations?
I believe the order got changed into 319s picked up by some other airline.

Does anyone have any hard detail over this deal?
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:45 pm

More recently, Arik Air alleged order for 2 748i's and / or 2 77W's.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:50 pm

Republic in the early 80's was looking at the DC-10 or the 747 for service to Europe. The 757 was acquired, and shortly after that the NW merger happened so that kind of ended the chance to see a Republic widebody.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:02 pm

Didn’t TWA have A330s on order at one point?
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:09 pm

QF with the 777 maybe? They were one of the airlines that Boeing consulted with during its development, but famously were the only one of those airlines to never order it.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:10 pm

TC957 wrote:
More recently, Arik Air alleged order for 2 748i's and / or 2 77W's.


Ended up becoming two B789s right as Nigeria's bad bank seized them. (Bad bank - bank holding distressed assets) With the VAT elimination, perhaps Arik can make a comeback or Air Peace could assume that.

Northwest did have a few A343 NTUs that eventually went to VS.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:14 pm

Alexdk wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
Probably Concorde had many rumored orders that amounted to zilch.

At least 14 Airlines, not counting AF and BA, had non-firm orders.


IIRC Iran Air was pretty far along the order process, certainly farther than the other 13 wannabees.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:15 pm

One of the biggest was Ryanair and the A320. Airbus were ready to sign the firm order and Boeing stole it on literally the last day with an infamous deal for the 738. Remember O'Leary's comment about "raping" Boeing?

It also started off the longrunning animosity between John Leahy and O'Leary. Airbus had run a full campaign at great expense.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:17 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
Didn’t TWA have A330s on order at one point?

A330s with Trent engines.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:20 pm

Alexdk wrote:
I am interested in discussing the rumors of airlines ordering some type of aircraft


That is an infinite set. Rumors get discussed here every day - and it's not like this is the only place.

If that's a topic that really interests you invest your own time in research.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:23 pm

Air Canada A340-600.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:27 pm

Malaysia Airlines was strongly rumored to have been one of the launch customers for the Boeing 777-300/ER and 777-200/LR. Rumors were for an order of about 20-25 aircraft but never happened.

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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:27 pm

Surprisingly no MRJ orders....???...
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:30 pm

The AirAsia flirt with the C-Series at Farnborough 2012 comes to mind, Bombardier even had a a CSeries aircraft demonstrator with the AirAsia logo on it.

The GE back pitch towards Emirates for a large 747-8I order, but that wasn't initiated by the airline, just a pitch from the manufacturer.

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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:41 pm

I have heard about Emirates 747-8 but don't know how serious it was.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:42 pm

ANA A340's
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:43 pm

longhauler wrote:
Air Canada A340-600.

What a pity. Just imagine how gorgeous could the heavy flying pencil be in AC colours.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:45 pm

The TWA 330 order was my primary thought when reading this thread.

Poor TWA
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:51 pm

AZ's 744s, built, never taken, buyed by Virgin, should be G-VROS, VGAL, VLIP, VROM, VROY.

Source: md80.it forum

If anyone can confirm... I did remember something, but source's reliable so and so...
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:51 pm

I don't recall if they were actually ordered or not, but didn't Continental look into A340s in the early 90's, and 767-300s later on? I remember reading that somewhere.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:58 pm

fry530 wrote:
I don't recall if they were actually ordered or not, but didn't Continental look into A340s in the early 90's, and 767-300s later on? I remember reading that somewhere.


viewtopic.php?t=174795

This was already discussed before... :rotfl:
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:06 pm

Weren't EK supposed to get the A346?
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:06 pm

sturmovik wrote:
Weren't EK supposed to get the A346?


Yes, EK had an order for 20 but cancelled them in favor of the 77W. They also had a MOU for 30 A333s that they never firmed.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:10 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
Alexdk wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
Probably Concorde had many rumored orders that amounted to zilch.

At least 14 Airlines, not counting AF and BA, had non-firm orders.


IIRC Iran Air was pretty far along the order process, certainly farther than the other 13 wannabees.


It took Iran Air until 1980 to cancel.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:25 pm

Cubana 707. Order cancelled as a result of trade sanctions. WA leased the planes for a while.
HA A358>A338 then cancelled for the 789.
NW/DL 787.
Westair and Comair ordered the original version of the EMB-145. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E ... Amazon.jpg Both airlines cancelled their orders.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:32 pm

Transbrasil was supposed to be one of the launch customers of the 777.

They were also going to buy 757s and A300s, but also never happened.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:33 pm

FatCat wrote:
longhauler wrote:
Air Canada A340-600.

What a pity. Just imagine how gorgeous could the heavy flying pencil be in AC colours.


They didn't really want the A345 either...although two were already built. They were leased to TAM before long and then one was broken up in Rio de Janeiro and the fate of the other is unknown. The A343 was also an interim solution.

Another NTU order was Continental for B763s (although they did take the B762s and B764s they ordered). While being built, Continental sold the slots to GECAS.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:35 pm

Northwest A340's, TWA had ordered 50 A318's and 25 A320's.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:39 pm

Air Florida 757.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:40 pm

DL and NW's 787's :mad:
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:44 pm

Let us not forget the FedEx and UPS A388Fs, which basically doomed the type after both cancelled.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:47 pm

You can fill the whole forum with orders that didn't happen, oh wait...
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:49 pm

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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:50 pm

In the late 1980s before eventually becoming launch customer for the 777 - didn't UA have plans to order the MD-11?
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:05 pm

MD-11's:
Aero-LLoyd - 2+2 before abandoning long haul plans
Air Europe - 6+12 with RB211 engines. Air Europe went bust
AOM - had upto 7 on order but fizzled after merger with Minerve
Air Zaire - 2 but went bust
B. Cal - 3, but these were not taken up by BA after the merger (built and went to AA)
China Southern - MOU for 6 not taken up
JAT 3+3 but the balkan war ensured JAT's demise
Nigeria Airways - 1. Guess what happened!
SAS - 12 but never formally converted
SIA - 5+15. We all know about this one and it pretty much killed the MD's reputation
Viasa - 2+1. Boy that would have looked good if it wasnt for the fact VIASA became a basket case
Zambia Airways - 1. See Nigeria Airways!
ZAS - 1+1, including a combi, but never taken up
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:05 pm

Kenya Airways had the 767-400ER on order but converted the order to 777.
Delta had over 100 MD-90 on order at one point, but only took 12 iirc from the factory.
I believe Delta's 10 77L were originally orders for additional 777-200ER, but they were converted to 77L.
Air Europe ordered the MD-11.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:32 pm

Western had a 767 in their paint and on the ramp outside the factory but never took delivery.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:58 pm

When JetBlue was starting up, they had every intention of ordering the 737 and even spoke to Boeing. Boeing however did not give them the deal they were looking for so off to Airbus they went.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:00 pm

Also Pan Am had 50 A320's on order but weren't taken up/went bankrupt before delivery. TWA also had 50 A318's on order but those were cancelled by AA when they merged with them.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:23 pm

AL/US A300 - Had LOI for I think either 6 or 3+3.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:49 pm

KICT wrote:
I believe Delta's 10 77L were originally orders for additional 777-200ER, but they were converted to 77L.


It was said on a.net that Boeing offered the 77L to DL at the same price they paid for the 772ER. At the time, the US3 were in bad shape after 9/11 and they were not in a position to purchase new expensive widebody aircraft. The 777 NG was new and Boeing wanted a US customer for it so the deal was an incentive for DL. UA and AA didn't purchase the 77W until years later.
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:52 pm

Libyan Arab Airlines had 747-200s on order and even one (at least) was fully painted. However, they were not taken up due to political issues in Libya (IIRC) and Boeing sold them to Varig for a nice price.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
Hughes Airwest Dc10. Western and Alaska 747s. Ozark
Bac-111


When did OZ have B11's on order? The only undelivered a/c they had on order to my knowledge were three 72S.
 
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Re: Orders that didn’t happen

Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:32 pm

Swissair had some A340-600 on order and was deeply involved in the Embraer E-Jet development, but SR collapsed before they could have been delivered.

Transaero had A320neo, A330ceo and neo, A380, B747-8i, B787 and some Superjets on order but they also ceased operation before delivery. Aeroflot/Rossiya did not adopt the orders after they took over their fleet. Two of the ordered B747-8i, which have already been in final assembly, have been bought by US government to become the next Air Force One aircraft.

AirAsia X had 10 A350-900 ordered, but cancelled that in April 2018.

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