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UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:19 am

With UA loving the capabilities of the 787, what is their next big thing? They tried the interior of China but that fell flat on it's face with only Chengdu being the sole survivor of that experiment. India expansion has been long rumored with the 787. Is there a chance they could return LAX-HKG with the 787?

I'm not really talking about a new route here or there, im talking about a big focus like their China experiment a few years ago (id also love to learn why it failed).

UA is also expanding quite nicely domestically. Amy new rumors out there?

And then the ever-lingering narrowbody debacle. Ive all but given up on that, but i do smell a launch customer order for the 797.

Thoughts?
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:34 am

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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:41 am

I think UA will continue to focus on US domestic as that’s the stronger of the two market catagories.
One move UA could make that was lightly talked about in another thread last week was jumping into P2P domestic flying. A combo of CS100/300 aircraft would be perfect for such an endeavor.

Depending on how SFO-PPT goes perhaps UA will start connecting a few more dots in the Oceania/South Pacific like NAN, BNE leveraging their strong SFO hub or even LAX.

As for the China “experiment” I imagine it ultimately didn’t pan out as expected due to the influx of CN carriers launching service across the Pacific. It is said that the government actively subsidizes the CN carriers. Hard for UA and the other US carriers to compete head to head with government subsidized carriers.

I think many will agree UA’s next move to get their fleet’s hard and soft products standardized and competitive with competitors. Working on customer service should be the top priority. There are thousands of great UA employees, but the actions of a few have been egregious enough to overshadow a lot of the quality work that have occurred under Munoz’ leadership.

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Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:53 am

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what is their next big thing?


A tulip on the tail :duck:
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:31 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
what is their next big thing?


A tulip on the tail :duck:


I never understood why they adopted that ugly AT&T globe. If they wanted to take the easy and cheesy route at merger, why not the Continental fuselage with the tulip on the tail?
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:37 am

UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:13 am

questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


Agree with all subpoints of 1. As for 2., I think Kirby can be a value add to UA. He just needs to be balanced out by other UA corporate leadership that understand that it takes money to earn money. By that, I mean, invest in the product, invest in the employees and the customers will come and invest in UA in turn.

Personally, I think UA may have missed a critical opportunity to do so. The time to invest in the product and employees was when oil was low. It’s now rising and the airline will likely curtail investment.

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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:18 pm

questions wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
what is their next big thing?


A tulip on the tail :duck:


I never understood why they adopted that ugly AT&T globe. If they wanted to take the easy and cheesy route at merger, why not the Continental fuselage with the tulip on the tail?


Ah, never seen this kind of discourse on this forum before.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:33 pm

questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:38 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...

You do realize that people with small children and those needing extra time pre-board on essentially every airline? This is nothing specific to UA. Pre-boarders are not group 1.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:43 pm

I don't know what they can gain from any new service to India unless its a code share with AI. Especially if you are going to charge for a 2nd bag, when ME3 does 2 bags free with better in-service.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:43 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
With UA loving the capabilities of the 787, what is their next big thing? They tried the interior of China but that fell flat on it's face with only Chengdu being the sole survivor of that experiment. India expansion has been long rumored with the 787. Is there a chance they could return LAX-HKG with the 787?

I'm not really talking about a new route here or there, im talking about a big focus like their China experiment a few years ago (id also love to learn why it failed).

UA is also expanding quite nicely domestically. Amy new rumors out there?

And then the ever-lingering narrowbody debacle. Ive all but given up on that, but i do smell a launch customer order for the 797.

Thoughts?


They've repeatedly said recently their focus is going to be growing domestic, with a multi-year plan of upgauging flights and removing 50-seaters and the like. That all will still be going on, but probably isn't a big 'idea' or 'new thing'.

I would like them to be a little more aggressive ULH, having a pretty advantageous fleet to run it on with the size of their B78X and increasing 77W fleets. China was a good attempt, but if I remember correctly it never really worked and was propped up by local subsidies the cities were offering. When those expired or became less prevalent they were cut.

I would actually love to see them try a similar approach with South Asia. They've had good success with EWR-BOM/DEL, and have hubs that could support -DEL flights (SFO, LAX), but maybe even try IAH-DEL, or ORD-DEL, though I know Air India flies some of these routes already.

They can even attempt more secondary India flying. I know CO tossed around a BLR flight for a while, that opportunity still exists from SFO or EWR. I believe either can be run using a B788 - that's the type of route the aircraft was created for. These are huge cities with growing populations of people who can afford to travel (and similarly travel back in the case of US immigrants). They already have some cache in India with teh success of their EWR-India flights.

If any US airline truly wants to defend their anti-ME3 position, overflying them is the best option, and UA is in the best position to give it a true go.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:46 pm

questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby

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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:47 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...


UA is actually quite good in getting to actual groups of passengers more quickly. It goes:

1.) Elderly/patients with medical situations & need more time
2.) Families w/ children under 2
3.) Uniformed Military Personnel
4.) Global Services

Then Group 1

What route was this where there were so many people in those four categories to force Group 1 passengers to scramble for overhead bin space?
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:47 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...

You do realize that people with small children and those needing extra time pre-board on essentially every airline? This is nothing specific to UA. Pre-boarders are not group 1.

I do. At UA they are BEFORE Group 1; other airlines they are AFTER their Group 1/A Boarding etc.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:48 pm

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UA is also expanding quite nicely domestically. Amy new rumors out there?

And then the ever-lingering narrowbody debacle. Ive all but given up on that, but i do smell a launch customer order for the 797.


What narrow body debacle? They’ve been adding used Airbus’ and have taken delivery of 6 737–9Max aircraft with 55 more to come. And then there’s the 100 737-10Max aircraft on order.

Part of their domestic growth is due to the growth of the mainline narrow body fleet (listed above). How can you say “expanding quite nicely domestically” and then claim there’s a debacle (primarily) with the same fleet types (narrow body aircraft)?
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:01 pm

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Global Services per-boards on UA and is their group of top tier flyers. UA also puts its 1K in group 1, which, for example, AA does not have explat in group 1 normally. Upon my AA boarding two days ago, elderly in wheelchairs boarded first, as they did on my AA flight last week. There are normally not that many, if any military. So your only gripe seems to be families with kids under two and where they board?


UA Group 1 has Platinum and 1K.

Yes, it seems the gripe is that families with children under two get to board early. As someone who takes ~100 flights a year on UA, I could care less. I also give UA credit that they give some level of scrutiny if the children are less than 2 years old or not.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:02 pm

Global Services per-boards on UA and is their group of top tier flyers. UA also puts its 1K in group 1, which, for example, AA does not have explat in group 1 normally. Upon my AA boarding two days ago, elderly in wheelchairs boarded first, as they did on my AA flight last week. There are normally not that many, if any military. So your only gripe seems to be families with kids under two and where they board?
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:03 pm

FlyingSicilian wrote:
Global Services per-boards on UA and is their group of top tier flyers. UA also puts its 1K in group 1, which, for example, AA does not have explat in group 1 normally. Upon my AA boarding two days ago, elderly in wheelchairs boarded first, as they did on my AA flight last week. There are normally not that many, if any military. So your only gripe seems to be families with kids under two and where they board?


Airlines definitely do not say “with kids under two.” They say “with young children” and I’ve seen families boarding when the children are 12. It’s disgusting.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:06 pm

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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:13 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
I would actually love to see them try a similar approach with South Asia. They've had good success with EWR-BOM/DEL, and have hubs that could support -DEL flights (SFO, LAX), but maybe even try IAH-DEL, or ORD-DEL, though I know Air India flies some of these routes already.

They can even attempt more secondary India flying. I know CO tossed around a BLR flight for a while, that opportunity still exists from SFO or EWR. I believe either can be run using a B788 - that's the type of route the aircraft was created for. These are huge cities with growing populations of people who can afford to travel (and similarly travel back in the case of US immigrants). They already have some cache in India with teh success of their EWR-India flights.

If any US airline truly wants to defend their anti-ME3 position, overflying them is the best option, and UA is in the best position to give it a true go.


To add - their success on the SFO-SIN route hopefully allows them to launch SFO-DEL as well. BLR is too far south to be profitable IMO. Alternate to UA launching SFO-DEL, I'd like to see them get cozy with AI - who are already operating the route. Plus use AI for domestic connections on the India side at BOM/DEL, and UA on the US side for the AI ports.
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:16 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:

interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...

You do realize that people with small children and those needing extra time pre-board on essentially every airline? This is nothing specific to UA. Pre-boarders are not group 1.

I do. At UA they are BEFORE Group 1; other airlines they are AFTER their Group 1/A Boarding etc.


Delta does it similarly to the way UA does.

Passengers who need extra time, families traveling with young children, military and then Premium (business or first and diamond medallion.)
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:17 pm

I don't mind the kids boarding before me...12 year old children are, well, children. In Iberia, Business class boards first:
"PRIORITY: Customers in Business or preferential class, holders of Iberia Singular, Iberia Plus Platino and Oro cards, and holders of equivalent oneworld cards.
GROUP A: Customers with special needs (PRM), for those travelling with young children, those with just one personal item (except stopovers in Africa and long-haul flights), and other special customers. Once these priority groups have boarded, all the remaining passengers will be called according to the position of their seat on the aircraft:
GROUP 1: Customers occupying seats at the rear of the aircraft.
GROUP 2: Customers occupying seats in the middle of the aircraft.
GROUP 3: Customers occupying seats at the front of the aircraft.

Now back to United...here are their listed priorities for 2018:
Strengthening our domestic network through growth
Driving efficiency and productivity
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:21 pm

chicawgo wrote:
FlyingSicilian wrote:
Global Services per-boards on UA and is their group of top tier flyers. UA also puts its 1K in group 1, which, for example, AA does not have explat in group 1 normally. Upon my AA boarding two days ago, elderly in wheelchairs boarded first, as they did on my AA flight last week. There are normally not that many, if any military. So your only gripe seems to be families with kids under two and where they board?


Airlines definitely do not say “with kids under two.” They say “with young children” and I’ve seen families boarding when the children are 12. It’s disgusting.


I've heard it announced as kids under two before, but that may not be standard terminology.

You see the odd family abuse it, but I have seen UA personnel turn families away before when the kids were too old as well.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:23 pm

Nimish wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
I would actually love to see them try a similar approach with South Asia. They've had good success with EWR-BOM/DEL, and have hubs that could support -DEL flights (SFO, LAX), but maybe even try IAH-DEL, or ORD-DEL, though I know Air India flies some of these routes already.

They can even attempt more secondary India flying. I know CO tossed around a BLR flight for a while, that opportunity still exists from SFO or EWR. I believe either can be run using a B788 - that's the type of route the aircraft was created for. These are huge cities with growing populations of people who can afford to travel (and similarly travel back in the case of US immigrants). They already have some cache in India with teh success of their EWR-India flights.

If any US airline truly wants to defend their anti-ME3 position, overflying them is the best option, and UA is in the best position to give it a true go.


To add - their success on the SFO-SIN route hopefully allows them to launch SFO-DEL as well. BLR is too far south to be profitable IMO. Alternate to UA launching SFO-DEL, I'd like to see them get cozy with AI - who are already operating the route. Plus use AI for domestic connections on the India side at BOM/DEL, and UA on the US side for the AI ports.


Halfway during what I wrote, I thought about scrapping it and just saying 'get more cozy with AI'

It would make a lot of sense, especially if AI finds some success on the -DEL routes they have or will launch.

For BLR, I think EWR-BLR could work, as you have a sizable VFR community that is fairly wealthy (something that has allowed EWR-BOM/DEL to survive all these years) but admittedly not as natural a fit from a business perspective as SFO. It's a bit shorter so an B788 would work more easily. But then again, UA has been reticent to have any B788/9 routes out of EWR. Maybe that changes once they start B78J routes out of EWR.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:26 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...

You do realize that people with small children and those needing extra time pre-board on essentially every airline? This is nothing specific to UA. Pre-boarders are not group 1.

So is that reason enough to make the first class ones to have to look around to see where to place their overbin belongings because the other ones used more space than they were allowed?
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:30 pm

I'm not really talking about a new route here or there, im talking about a big focus like their China experiment a few years ago (id also love to learn why it failed).

I think the interior China stuff didn't work because 1) The Chinese carriers started flying more routes to the US, and cut fares to very low levels and 2) I think much of the secondary China routes depended on Chinese POS, and many of those people were siphoned away by the low fares on the Chinese cities, even involving a connection in PEK or CTN, or some other place.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:43 pm

United need a new livery and a LOI to being one of the launch customers of the 797.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:54 pm

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I do. At UA they are BEFORE Group 1; other airlines they are AFTER their Group 1/A Boarding etc.


That is not correct. All the US3 board families with small children first. Southwest boards wheelchairs first then families after all of Group A.

Etheereal wrote:
So is that reason enough to make the first class ones to have to look around to see where to place their overbin belongings because the other ones used more space than they were allowed?


I have never seen first class passengers who board in Group 1 have to scramble to find overhead bin space and I fly up front quite a bit domestically on upgrades. On the US3, overhead bins are marked as reserved for First Class and Economy Plus/Main Cabin Extra/whatever-DL-is-calling-it-this week and flight attendants are usually pro-active about not letting early boarding Economy passengers stick carry ons wherever until later in the boarding process.

I'm still waiting for the specific flight/route where this happened, as I think the poster was either engaging in hyperbole or it was some one-off MCO or other Florida flight that had a bunch of families and/or elderly.


Back to the original topic, at the other end of the spectrum from ULH, I'm also curious to see how long UA's 50-seat RJ push into smaller communities continues/lasts. Mgmt made a lot of hay about using these flights to feed hubs, but we're already starting to see some cutbacks in enilria's weekly OAG threads.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:09 pm

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UA’s Next New Thing?


2. Fire Scott Kirby


Shows how little you know about airline industry. I am not a Kirby fan boy, but he is the only one at that level that has operational experience. We saw what a mess Jeff made of the merger, then Oscar comes along and all he does is smile and take pictures with everyone. Under him the airline was continuing the Jeff spiral. At least now it is focused on growth instead of 'cutting their way to profits.' All indicators are up under Kirby, so he must be doing something right. I personally think he arrived and saw what a mess UA was, so he had to pick which are the priorities. Granted, they are not there now, but at least they are pointed in the right direction. The bean counters that had control before, do not always make good businessmen.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:25 pm

Adding the second hand A319s and the new 737 Max are definitely helping, but they're not going to get scope relief from the pilots for more large regional jets. They need to order a 100 seater, 88 to be exact, in order to realize their contractual allowance for 76 seat ERJ-175s. They can add 1 new ERJ-175 to express for every 1.25 100 seat mainline. (Cseris, ERJ195E2 etc..) up to 88 mainline and 70 express.

That's going to put them where they need to be domestically. As pointed out in the recent UA Sumer 18 hub thread, even though they've made big strides they're still way too reliant on 50 seaters at Express.

I personally would prefer the Cseries, but with their newly announce deal with Boeing perhaps Embraer is the preferred option.

The other issues are the Polaris roll out, which club wise is coming along nicely now that EWR, IAH, SFO and ORD are open and LAX will open this fall. They need to keep the pedal to the metal with fleet refurbishments.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:44 pm

STT757 wrote:
Adding the second hand A319s and the new 737 Max are definitely helping, but they're not going to get scope relief from the pilots for more large regional jets. They need to order a 100 seater, 88 to be exact, in order to realize their contractual allowance for 76 seat ERJ-175s. They can add 1 new ERJ-175 to express for every 1.25 100 seat mainline. (Cseris, ERJ195E2 etc..) up to 88 mainline and 70 express.


The Max 9 and 10s will be great but they need to go small to get rid of big numbers of E145s and CR2s. There's a clear path.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:55 pm

What I think will be extremely interesting is how UA reshuffles the wide body fleet especially next spring,. This October the FA's will finally be together as one unit, combine that with the deliveries of 787-10s and it should be an interesting time. For a few years now UA has been saying we have the wrong aircraft on some international routes but they have decided to fly the schedule in this manner because the FA's still can not fly each other metal and all the problems this delay caused, however those fences come down this fall. So net year should prove interesting while I'm not sure how many new international destinations will be added, it will be the first time since the merger that UA finally is able to move the wide body fleet around the system freely without having to worry about the disruption it would cause the FA's.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:13 pm

77H wrote:
I think UA will continue to focus on US domestic as that’s the stronger of the two market catagories.
One move UA could make that was lightly talked about in another thread last week was jumping into P2P domestic flying. A combo of CS100/300 aircraft would be perfect for such an endeavor.

Depending on how SFO-PPT goes perhaps UA will start connecting a few more dots in the Oceania/South Pacific like NAN, BNE leveraging their strong SFO hub or even LAX.

As for the China “experiment” I imagine it ultimately didn’t pan out as expected due to the influx of CN carriers launching service across the Pacific. It is said that the government actively subsidizes the CN carriers. Hard for UA and the other US carriers to compete head to head with government subsidized carriers.

I think many will agree UA’s next move to get their fleet’s hard and soft products standardized and competitive with competitors. Working on customer service should be the top priority. There are thousands of great UA employees, but the actions of a few have been egregious enough to overshadow a lot of the quality work that have occurred under Munoz’ leadership.

77H



Munoz leadership? ROTFL...Munoz is the core of the problem and furthest thing from a leader....a panderer? yes! a leader....no way.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:34 pm

As an IAH flyer, I would hope they would add some things here but Im not that optimistic. What I think is realistic:

1) Plug in some domestic holes to strengthen the power of the hub: GSO, GJT, PIA, CID, and MSN come to mind. Those were all flown before, but I think if there is a push to strengthen the domestic network and IAH is part of that, it would be good to bring them back.
2) Plug the remaining holes in Latin America from IAH: GYE, MDE, and CLO.
3) God willing, add a flight to the largest destination from IAH with no service: PVG.

At any rate, Im not expecting those things, however I dont think they are far fetched either.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:47 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...


This is classist and ableist garbage. "I have lots of money, so I'm much more important than these plebs with disabilities who are just gaming the system to get on the plane first."
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:07 pm

What about going back to Africa from EWR?

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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:16 pm

They really should finish Polaris before the next big thing.

It is unreal how slowly this process is going.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:23 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
I'm not really talking about a new route here or there, im talking about a big focus like their China experiment a few years ago (id also love to learn why it failed).

I've read here that Xi'an had a startup subsidy from the Xi'an government. The route didn't mature as hoped and the subsidy expired so the route was axed.

I've also read here that Hangzhou was started as an alternative to a second daily San Francisco - Shanghai as United was having trouble getting an economically viable slot for that Shanghai service. Shortly after the Hangzhou service began worthwhile slots at Shanghai were worked out so the reason for the flight to exist disappeared.

I believe those're the only two China flights United's cut recently.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:26 pm

One thing is for sure, UA will buy any plane Boeing offers... :old:
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:32 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
What about going back to Africa from EWR?

EWR-JNB/CPT 787
EWR-DKR-LOS 757
EWR-ACC 763
EWR-CAI 763
EWR-CMN 763



Some of these may be interesting, but not sure there is enough local demand for a few given there are already non-stops to JFK from JNB, LOS, CAI and CMN.

Hasn't stopped UA before, but unless there is viable corporate demand, can't see these working.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:32 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...


Why should you get to board in front of people with disabilities and small children just because you have a first class ticket? You don't have any trouble getting to your seat.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:39 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
What about going back to Africa from EWR?

EWR-JNB/CPT 787
EWR-DKR-LOS 757
EWR-ACC 763
EWR-CAI 763
EWR-CMN 763


I was thinking the same thing and how about adding ADD to that list.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:49 pm

N505fx wrote:
77H wrote:



Munoz leadership? ROTFL...Munoz is the core of the problem and furthest thing from a leader....a panderer? yes! a leader....no way.


Oscar is the best thing to happen to this airline in decades. Your opinion of him is based on, what, exactly? Mine is based on 24 years of being a pilot here and about 6 CEO’s
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...


United will always board families w/children, the elder, military before Global service and group 1! almost all airlines do this. UA values you by giving you Group 1.....just saying. You're making yourself sound like an over entitled passenger who thinks everything revolves around you.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:52 pm

mm320cap wrote:
N505fx wrote:
77H wrote:



Munoz leadership? ROTFL...Munoz is the core of the problem and furthest thing from a leader....a panderer? yes! a leader....no way.


Oscar is the best thing to happen to this airline in decades. Your opinion of him is based on, what, exactly? Mine is based on 24 years of being a pilot here and about 6 CEO’s


I agree, Oscar is the best thing that has happened to UA. As a Premier passenger, im happier that he's in charge and not Jeff or Glenn.
 
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:52 pm

RalXWB wrote:
One thing is for sure, UA will buy any plane Boeing offers... :old:


Which explains all of the 747-8s in their fleet, and 777-8s and -9s on order...

...oh, wait.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:02 pm

xxcr wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


interesting thing on 1C of your list...I was just flying UA this past week for the first time in a while and noticed with their "new and improved boarding system" that their first class and other status passengers boarded third or fourth even though they were in the so-called "Group 1" after a series of families, people needing extra time, etc. I was standing there thinking that if I was spending lots of money flying UA and I'm the first person in the Group 1 line, I'm literally the 35th person to board, it would show how much UA "values" me. I actually saw one of their Group 1 people have to scramble to put her overhead bag three rows away since the massive amount of preboarders loaded the overheads where she was sitting.

I haven't seen this with any other US carrier who boards their first class passengers so 'late'; I would think this would be low-hanging fruit for them to fix. Let their first class and major frequent fliers get on the plane, keep them happy(ier).

That's my $0.02...


United will always board families w/children, the elder, military before Global service and group 1! almost all airlines do this. UA values you by giving you Group 1.....just saying. You're making yourself sound like an over entitled passenger who thinks everything revolves around you.


Seriously. Im 1K and fly first class much of the time. Ill gladly let those with children and disabilities board first. They have way more to deal with than I do.
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:17 pm

mm320cap wrote:
N505fx wrote:
77H wrote:



Munoz leadership? ROTFL...Munoz is the core of the problem and furthest thing from a leader....a panderer? yes! a leader....no way.


Oscar is the best thing to happen to this airline in decades. Your opinion of him is based on, what, exactly? Mine is based on 24 years of being a pilot here and about 6 CEO’s


Best of the worst then... proof is in the pudding. He has been at the helm for 3 years, United's public image is at its all time low, the product still lags, the financial performance is mediocre, the board has stripped him of his chairman duties, he had to bring in someone who actually knows the airline industry to do a majority of the tasks that should be in his stead, CORE 4 is an absolute half assed joke, his management team lasts about as long a gnats lifespan, he's botched investor calls, he's botched PR situations....should I go on with how ineffective he is? If he is the greatest UAL has had....why doesn't that reflect? Granted, compared to Glenn, Jim, Jack, Steven, Jeff he's better....but I would hardly call any of those the high water mark of good CEOs. BTW...did you see his "performance" in the congressional hearings? "Scott? Scott? Scott???? Scott! Can you answer the questions? Scott!! I think I poopooed my pants, Scott?!?!?"
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Re: UAs next new thing?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:24 pm

questions wrote:
UA’s Next New Thing?

1. Finish what it has started
- completing all aspects of the Polaris rollout
- energizing and re-engaging the workforce
- improving the passenger experience

2. Fire Scott Kirby


The short version of this:

"UA's Next New Thing?

1. Spend lots of money
2. Fire the guy who knows how to make lots of money"

No wonder the airline business always flounders, with people thinking airlines are some prestige product that doesn't need to make money.

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