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Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:16 pm

Hey,

I recalled a thread on here about aircraft models without any remaining flying examples, though I cannot find it right now. Got me wondering: Which types have entirely disappeared?
Obviously some prototype-only models are among that list, for example:
Junkers J-1
Dornier Do-X

Among the models with some serial production, the FW 200 comes to mind. I'm sure that there are some other warbirds which weren't considered important and got scrapped post-war, though some museums did a great job collecting most of them.

Further, are any models currently threatened to join this list?
Perhaps the Tu-114 is, where - per wikipedia - only 3 examples are preserved under rather poor conditions.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:17 pm

L-1011?
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:19 pm

Most of the flying boats are long gone - Boeing 314, Martin M-130, Sikorsky S-42, etc... they're all gone. Which is a shame, but by the same token, but with the explosion of runways for land aircraft after the war, there was no need for them and at that point, no real drive for historical preservation...
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:22 pm

Airbus A300-B1...never understood why Airbus did not preserve their first aircraft.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:23 pm

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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:37 pm

SD330?
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:14 pm

tomaheath wrote:
L-1011?


There are a couple L1011s still flying
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:15 pm

Bristol Type 167 Brabazon.

Only 1 built, scrapped in 1953.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:20 pm

Boeing727 wrote:
Airbus A300-B1...never understood why Airbus did not preserve their first aircraft.


This one bothers me, absolutely criminal of them to scrap it.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:54 pm

452QX wrote:
There are a couple L1011s still flying


IMO, as the last U.S. operator of the L-1011, DL really missed a tremendous opportunity to simply park the last example in ATL until such time as they were prepared to properly restore and preserve it. The final DL L-1011 flight was only a month before 9/11, when the world changed forever. Airlines quickly forgot about things like preserving a piece of their history and instead had to focus on survival. Then came the airline bankruptcies and reorganizations, followed by mergers and the years-long integration they entail.

Still, I wonder......Is there even a single intact former-DL TriStar sitting in VCV or elsewhere? Or have they all been scrapped by now?
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:36 am

N910TE last showed up on FA on Jan 10th, 2018... I assume they are still working on her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4_7dvjpQM

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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:52 am

DL747400 wrote:
452QX wrote:
There are a couple L1011s still flying


IMO, as the last U.S. operator of the L-1011, DL really missed a tremendous opportunity to simply park the last example in ATL until such time as they were prepared to properly restore and preserve it. The final DL L-1011 flight was only a month before 9/11, when the world changed forever. Airlines quickly forgot about things like preserving a piece of their history and instead had to focus on survival. Then came the airline bankruptcies and reorganizations, followed by mergers and the years-long integration they entail.

Still, I wonder......Is there even a single intact former-DL TriStar sitting in VCV or elsewhere? Or have they all been scrapped by now?


Here it is, photo shot just a couple of days ago:



There are none left in commercial service, but that doesn't mean they're not flying anymore. Granted, this is probably the only L-1011 still flying but there are plenty of airframes left at various scrapyards. Therefor it doesn't qualify as "no preserved examples".
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:04 am

So we are at:

Gone:

Airbus A300B1
Boeing 314
Bristol Brabazon
Dornier Do-X
Junkers J-1
Martin M-130
Sikorski S-42

Threatened:

Lockhed 1011 (though there is one preserved at Kansas City; additionally there is one in poor condition in Bangkok https://www.planespotters.net/photo/758 ... -tristar-1 and several others awaiting their eventual fate)
Canadair CL-44 (added by me; 1 heavily modified example semi-airworthy and 1 example salvaged but not in a museum yet)


skipness1E wrote:
SD330?

Since the US Army still operates the type (per Wikipedia) and at least 2 are on display, I don't think the Short 330 is there yet.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:05 am

skipness1E wrote:
SD330?


Cargo SD330s are still flying. I'm not sure if any passenger versions still exist.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:56 am

Douglas DC-7B I'm not sure if any passenger versions still exist if any one know tell me
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:39 am

What about the Boeing 377? I mean a passenger plane, not the C-97 freighter.

As you've mentioned the Fw-200. But there is restauration (or rebuilding) in progress of one that they've found in a Fjord in Norway. FW-200 rebuilding
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:12 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
What about the Boeing 377? I mean a passenger plane, not the C-97 freighter.


Some Guppies are converted from 377s, and plenty of those still exist. At least the Mini Guppy was originally a 377.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:47 pm

So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:28 pm

Any Lockheed Electras? Or any of the Convairs?
 
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Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:29 pm

ojjunior wrote:
So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?

Isn't FedEx still using them??
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:04 am

Freshside3 wrote:
Any Lockheed Electras? Or any of the Convairs?


There is at least one 880 and one 990 preserved. The 880 at Graceland. The 990 in Switzerland.

Not sure if an Electra is preserved.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:19 am

mxaxai wrote:
So we are at:

Gone:

Airbus A300B1
Boeing 314
Bristol Brabazon
Dornier Do-X
Junkers J-1
Martin M-130
Sikorski S-42

Threatened:

Lockhed 1011 (though there is one preserved at Kansas City; additionally there is one in poor condition in Bangkok https://www.planespotters.net/photo/758 ... -tristar-1 and several others awaiting their eventual fate)
Canadair CL-44 (added by me; 1 heavily modified example semi-airworthy and 1 example salvaged but not in a museum yet)


skipness1E wrote:
SD330?

Since the US Army still operates the type (per Wikipedia) and at least 2 are on display, I don't think the Short 330 is there yet.


There are actually 2 L1011's in Kansas City. One at MCI and one at MKC.
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:03 am

Freshside3 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?

Isn't FedEx still using them??


No pax I presume...
 
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:04 am

Freshside3 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?

Isn't FedEx still using them??


No pax I presume...
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:06 am

Freshside3 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?

Isn't FedEx still using them??


Yes. UPS is still operating them as well. Lufthansa Cargo as well.
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:57 am

[quote="mxaxai"]So we are at:

Gone:

Airbus A300B1
Boeing 314
Bristol Brabazon
Dornier Do-X
Junkers J-1
Martin M-130
Sikorski S-42

Threatened:

Lockhed 1011 (though there is one preserved at Kansas City; additionally there is one in poor condition in Bangkok https://www.planespotters.net/photo/758 ... -tristar-1 and several others awaiting their eventual fate)
Canadair CL-44 (added by me; 1 heavily modified example semi-airworthy and 1 example salvaged but not in a museum yet)


The one in Bangkok( HS-AXE , ex DL frame) is now part of a bar.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 am

Baade 152
Dornier 728
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:47 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
Dornier 728


One of the prototypes is preserved as a cabin demonstrator at the DLR
http://scart.dlr.de/site/test-facilities/do728/
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:24 pm

Hey guys,
Anyone know of any BAe 146s that are preserved?
I believe that an RJX prototype is in Manchester being preserved ... But are any of the earlier generation actually preserved? I really had hoped that HARS in Albion Park Australia or some other aviation group here in Australia would have preserved one due to the type's extensive use in Australia but so far, no luck! A preserved one in Ansett or Eastwest colours would be awesome!
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Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:34 pm

AVRO Arrow
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:57 am

rock45 wrote:
Douglas DC-7B I'm not sure if any passenger versions still exist if any one know tell me

There seems to be one at Charlotte, which was airworthy as recent as 2013 and, following an engine failure, now sits there. Not sure if anybody is looking after it or if it's properly on display there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-7B_N836D
Another one is sitting outside at the Pima Air & Space museum but seems to be in poor shape: https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/N51701
Additionally, some freighters or water bombers are airworthy or have been listed as active in recent years.

All DC-7 are listed here, slightly outdated though:
http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/DC7%20Census.htm
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:16 am

BartSimpson wrote:
Baade 152
Dornier 728

This is the first time I've heard of the Baade 152. Fascinating aircraft.

So I'll add:


Gone:

Airbus A300B1
Avro Arrow
Baade 152
Boeing 314
Bristol Brabazon
Dornier Do-X
Junkers J-1
Martin M-130
Sikorski S-42

Threatened:

Canadair CL-44 (1 heavily modified example semi-airworthy and 1 example salvaged but not in a museum yet)

I have removed the L-1011 since the one in Kansas seems to be in good care. I will not add the MD-11 considering how many take to the skies every day.
 
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:34 am

One that I've always wanted to see and that is gone forever is the Junkers G 38, as far as I know the only ever passenger blended wing aircraft.

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Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:19 am

Copper616 wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
So, where can we find any preserved MD-11 please?

Isn't FedEx still using them??


Yes. UPS is still operating them as well. Lufthansa Cargo as well.


Still. Cargo or Pax, any MD-11 open fot visitors somewhere?
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:43 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
Anyone know of any BAe 146s that are preserved?
I believe that an RJX prototype is in Manchester being preserved ... But are any of the earlier generation actually preserved? I really had hoped that HARS in Albion Park Australia or some other aviation group here in Australia would have preserved one due to the type's extensive use in Australia but so far, no luck! A preserved one in Ansett or Eastwest colours would be awesome!
Cheers
Bunumuring


Star Peru still operates it.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:57 am

bunumuring wrote:
Anyone know of any BAe 146s that are preserved?

WDL Aviation here in Germany still operate 5 of them.


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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:31 pm

Hey guys,
I know that 146s are still operated - we have a number still flying here in Australia - but my question was are there any PRESERVED anywhere in the world....
Cheers,
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:08 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I know that 146s are still operated - we have a number still flying here in Australia - but my question was are there any PRESERVED anywhere in the world....
Cheers,
Bunumuring


If they're flying they're preserved, aren't they? Otherwise I think you don't get the meaning of the word preserved. Preserved doesn't have to mean stored, it just means they exist. Everything that hasn't been scrapped is therefor preserved.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:17 am

Hey PatrickZ80,
'Preserved' means 'to keep safe from harm , to save; to prepare so as to resist destruction; to prepare for storage'....
In other words, a preserved airliner is one stored or in a museum, or not being used as intended as in flying passengers.
Which is exactly how I took the use of the word 'preserved'.
If you mean something else, all good for you.
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:28 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
I know that 146s are still operated - we have a number still flying here in Australia - but my question was are there any PRESERVED anywhere in the world....
Cheers,
Bunumuring


There's one at the de Havilland Aircraft Museum, sans tail & wing.

https://www.dehavillandmuseum.co.uk/air ... e-146-100/
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:44 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:

There's one at the de Havilland Aircraft Museum, sans tail & wing.

https://www.dehavillandmuseum.co.uk/air ... e-146-100/


Hey mate,
Thanks for that information : great news that at least one is preserved, albeit not whole!
Hopefully someone here in Australia will preserve one too.
Cheers,
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:03 am


I wonder if the UK (or anyone in the commonwealth) might eventually decide to put one of these in a museum. They were part of The Queen's Flight, now RAF.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:30 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
Any Lockheed Electras? Or any of the Convairs?


A Convair 340 crashed shortly after takeoff just last week in South Africa.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:34 pm

No Dassault Mercure models are flying although there are several on display.
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:00 pm

There are a lot of Convairs & Electra's flying in Canada as Air Tankers dropping fire retardent
 
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Re: Aircraft types without any preserved examples

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:56 pm

timeless159 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
SD330?


Cargo SD330s are still flying. I'm not sure if any passenger versions still exist.


Glad to report that a SD330 has been preserved by the Ulster Aviation Society only a few miles away from the Shorts factory at BHD where it had been built:

http://ulsteraviationsociety.org/shorts-sd-330

It is not in flying condition but I have been on board.

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