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Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:51 am

Was wondering which airports are the most overcrowded. Also was wondering which airports are expanding the most to try to get capture this demand.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:57 am

LAX, SFO, SEA, BOM,
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:05 am

LHR, LAX, SFO, SEA, BOM, DXB, FRA, EWR, ORD, AMS, IST (soon to be replaced), CGK (Jakarta-exampanding), BKK, SUB (Indonesia), MAA, MNL (yet somehow grows), MEX, NRT, PEK, TXL

JFK, HND, SYD, MUC, and soon GRU have run out of slots when people most want to fly (when they will pay a premium to fly).
ATL is short of gates during Delta hub waves


If an airport has limited time slots, it makes it difficult to connect to another airport with limited slots, unless a major airline is willing to move around their slots.

Expansion is short.
ATL is talking a 6th runway.
BKK should grow to 4 runways
Navi Mumbai will offload BOM
The New Beijing airport at Daxing will be huge!
The New Istanbul airport is scheduled to open in October
Jakarta is getting a 3rd runway and a large (properly sized) new terminal
Mexico city is building a new airport due in 2021
One day BER airport will open (I'll believe it when I see it)

In many cities, businesses just have to use alternate airports or grow less.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:06 am

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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:19 am

AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:32 am

LAX is certainly not full from operational point of view. It does not even have slots.

Some terminals might be tight but thats more an issue with individual tenants.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:34 am

AUS is rapidly getting to its limit. Must be one of the most "full" non-hub/focus city airports in the country. It's been very well documented here (see: DL expansion talks) its current and future capacity.

(Wait, did I just accidentally bring up AUS and hub status in yet another thread? Sorry y'all, I'll see myself out...)
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:37 am

Are we talking about crowding or slots?

Slots i'd say LHR, HKG & BOM are the top 3, all 3 airports almost always have aircraft holding inbound
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:39 am

LAX is not full operationally but is often more than full gate-wise. That should improve somewhat in coming years.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:39 am

hooverman wrote:
AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.


Let's be honest, terminal space is also an issue. We've seen that the current terminal cannot handle peak traffic last year. Moreover, a political limit remains a limit.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:40 am

I personally think CJU is probably the densest airport in the world.
Small terminal with hundreds of flights coming and going each hour, it's really packed to the gills.
The government is even considering building a second airport in the island to split the air traffic.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation ... 51744.html
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:00 am

SEA (Seattle/Tacoma)
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:01 am

hooverman wrote:
AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.


So it’s full.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:05 am

Definitely Lima,Peru. They have a lot of operations for a single runway airport.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:18 am

ORD has a gate capacity problem. The airfield is fine operationally. If all goes according to plan, ORD should get removed from the max capacity list in 2026 or sooner.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:20 am

mast2407 wrote:
hooverman wrote:
AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.


So it’s full.


The OP was talking about overcrouded and since there are periods of the day there are plenty of gates empty its not full.
If there where no political limits many more planes could be handled at these periods.
Its not like LHR that is full because it cannot handle more planes due to runway limits.
Thats how I read the question.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:39 am

You all in Europe and Asia out slots of everything. You aren’t even that busy!
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:48 am

SCL, specially in high season and morning rush hour, though it's being expanded and due to be finished by 2020
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:53 am

hooverman wrote:
AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.


True, but it still means AMS is walking on its last leggs with regard to growth possibilities, unless the strict rules are abandoned. The Dutch governement does not allow any growth anymore, it is a huge discussion. So with that given it is full, for now.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:57 am

Luton, it's one of the busiest airports in the UK despite being absolutely tiny and there are regularly queues for the runway.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:11 am

NearMiss wrote:
SCL, specially in high season and morning rush hour, though it's being expanded and due to be finished by 2020


I think you would mean SLC :-)
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:52 am

Edinburgh, definitely needs to expand at some point.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:55 am

From top of my mind, LIS (full to the brims), PEK, SYD (almost), (SHA), I was going to say ATL, but already mentioned (what's exactly the situation there?)...

Probably more elsewhere..

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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:05 am

So LGW with its single runway still has capacity to expand?...very surprising...


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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:17 am

jubguy3 wrote:
NearMiss wrote:
SCL, specially in high season and morning rush hour, though it's being expanded and due to be finished by 2020


I think you would mean SLC :-)


Haha I actually did mean SCL. You should see how overcrowded the terminal is during peak season (Winter and summer vacations) and the morning rush hour. Hopefully, the expansions and new terminals will be a welcome solution.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:29 am

Q6fan wrote:
Definitely Lima,Peru. They have a lot of operations for a single runway airport.


Well, yes, but only if you don't compare it to a really busy single-runway airport. In 2017 Lima saw around 22M passengers; Gatwick saw closer to 46M.

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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:51 am

Based on what metrics? or at least define what capacity is being used as the measure.

Two top my list where the airport is at full capacity (using slots) over 97% on a continuous basis; LHR and AMS. These are what would be considered Super Congested within IATA level 3 Airports.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:54 am

KWI is apparently operating well above its capacity.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:29 am

paulduwon wrote:
I personally think CJU is probably the densest airport in the world.
Small terminal with hundreds of flights coming and going each hour, it's really packed to the gills.
The government is even considering building a second airport in the island to split the air traffic.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation ... 51744.html


From the article: "Currently, planes depart from and arrive at Jeju International Airport 35 times an hour."

There is a big difference between 35 movements per hour and "hundreds of flights coming and going each hour". Did you mean hundreds of flights per day?
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:49 am

LIS 100% full capacity
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 am

Shanghai/Beijing/Hong Kong.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:00 am

The ultimate design capacity of the existing HKG Dual-rwy system is 420,000 movement/yr, and in 2017 the total movement there was 420,630.

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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:14 am

LHR airlines should use larger aircraft if it want to lift passenger numbers over the next five years. There are too many A319s, mostly BA filling slots that could grow to A321NEO eventually. Some LHR-EU routes could support less frequency and more WB aircraft at peak times.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 am

MEX is about 40% over capacity as well
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:23 am

KEF. That place is far beyond how many people pass through it. It may *only* serve 8 million passengers, which seems like not too many compared to a lot of other airports, but that terminal is way too small for that many people, banks or no banks.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 am

CYYZ is currently operating well beyond (~15% more pax than the terminals were ever designed to handle) it's ultimate design capacity in it's current configuration, though there are provisions for expansion.

YVR is pretty tight gate wise, though they have a wonderfully spacious terminal which mitigates the crowding. CYUL is woefully undersized currently, but I think seasonality has a fair role in how crowded it can get.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:45 am

hooverman wrote:
AMS is not full. It’s capped due to politics.


Well by that definition any airport with a curfew is "not full" by default.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:00 pm

This won't make me friends on here, but isn't time we have fewer flights, larger aircraft, and gulp - high speed trains between some cities (at least in the US)?
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:06 pm

PlaneBoo wrote:
Edinburgh, definitely needs to expand at some point.


It is expanding already:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1371551
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:16 pm

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This won't make me friends on here, but isn't time we have fewer flights, larger aircraft, and gulp - high speed trains between some cities (at least in the US)?


As you probably know, there is high-speed train service on the Northeast Corridor connecting Boston, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington DC. It isn't high-speed by Japanese or European standards, but it does exist. A big issue is that the route was built up during the 19th and early 20th centuries by independent railroads and originally carried express and local passenger trains and freight trains. The freights are mostly gone from this route, at least in NJ, but local service (commuter lines) remain and the expresses mingle with them. Because of political pressures, brand new passenger lines can't be built without individual state agreement to have sections of their land torn up for that purpose, especially if the new service won't stop in that state.

Back in the 1940s and 50s the federal government threw a lot of resources into development of airports and related infrastructure, often at the expense of railroads. Thus rail traffic declined and air traffic increased leading to today's situation.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is increased telecommuting so one doesn't have to travel to as much. There are communications software available to be able to connect anywhere on earth. I like having face-to-face interactions, but sometimes they just aren't feasible.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:17 pm

YVR is investing $9.1 billion CAD into the airport to meet future passenger growth.

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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:29 pm

Without reviving the debate about the abandoned Notre-Dame-des-Landes project, I wonder if NTE has reached or exceeded its design capacity in 2017. Traffic was up +14.9% with almost 5.5M pax.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:43 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
CYYZ is currently operating well beyond (~15% more pax than the terminals were ever designed to handle) it's ultimate design capacity in it's current configuration, though there are provisions for expansion.


Really? I was under the impression that YYZ hits capacity at 50 million. They might hit capacity this year, as shown by the activation of the in-field terminal.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:46 pm

BEY. Operating overcapacity since 2015, and despite constant work and improvements the terminal cannot keep up with the traffic. Two new terminals planned, first to begin construction by end 2019.
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:49 pm

wave46 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
CYYZ is currently operating well beyond (~15% more pax than the terminals were ever designed to handle) it's ultimate design capacity in it's current configuration, though there are provisions for expansion.


Really? I was under the impression that YYZ hits capacity at 50 million. They might hit capacity this year, as shown by the activation of the in-field terminal.


I seem to recall the ultimate capacity was closer to 40 million with the current configuration, though I could be wrong. The IFT does alleviate this, but it really isn't part of the long term solution, it's a temporary fix due to unforeseen demand levels.

In any case, numbers this year should be ~50 million plus minus 500K, and we still don't have any real solution for 2019, which should hit 53 million.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:56 pm

This will be relieved this month as new gates open but you could add CLT to the gate constrained list. Operationally, there's still room, but terminal wise, very tight.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:07 pm

In the USA, the most obvious ones are: JFK, LGA, EWR, DCA, and SFO. SFO is likely going to get FAA slot restrictions soon, while JFK, LGA, and DCA (along with EWR until recently) are all slot restricted by the FAA. JFK has a cap of 83 movements per hour, while LGA and DCA are capped at 71 and 62, respectively.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:15 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAX is certainly not full from operational point of view.

Unless it grows dramatically in connecting traffic or a new common-use remote check-in terminal that can shuttle people via airside transport gets built, I would say the horseshoe is well beyond capacity. Hope the APM construction doesn't make it worse.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:21 pm

LIS, hardly has any space to park aircraft or to get slots!
LATAM struggled to get the frequency and scheduled they were after.
easyJet has also said in the past they would like more slots.
 
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Re: Which Airports are at Full or almost Full Capacity?

Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:24 pm

PTY has been running over 100% capacity in the last 5 years. But a new terminal is expected to be 100% operational next year adding 20 extra gates and there are other planned projects such as a third runway.

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