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Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:24 am

If you could bring one out-of-production plane back from the dead, what would it be?
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Re: Which plane?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:06 am

For aesthetics, or because you assume they would actually be flown for their originally intended purposes?
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:48 pm

Goes without saying the 757.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:48 pm

SR-71
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:56 pm

757-300. I like how long it is, the longest narrow-body ever built. The A321 may be a good replacement for the 757-200, but nothing replaces the 757-300.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:01 pm

IL-62 with modern hi bypass turbofans. Enough power to go from 4 to 2 engines.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:33 pm

DC-10-30 (for purely aesthetic reasons), however changing the layout in economy from 2-5-2 to a 'modern' 3-3-3 (it's still 9 abreast).
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:25 pm

The Concorde.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:57 pm

The 717. Boeing should have continued production and renamed the MD-90 717-300 or something.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:03 pm

757 by a mile. It pains me to see less and less 757s every time I travel. Aviation, while more efficient and environmentally friendly, has become so much less fun when my only options on 95% of US domestic flights are 737s and a320s. Bland, the toyota camrys of the skies.

nonflier wrote:
DC-10-30 (for purely aesthetic reasons), however changing the layout in economy from 2-5-2 to a 'modern' 3-3-3 (it's still 9 abreast).


I've never for the life of me understood why 3-3-3 is so strongly preferred over 2-5-2. Who wants to add 2 extra opportunities to be stuck in a middle seat? How many people actually travel in groups of 3 that NEED to be sitting directly next to each other with no isle in between? There must be an industry reason this is preferred (something about IFE I think?) but for travelers I can't imagine how 3-3-3 is better.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:16 pm

No contest...



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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:48 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
757-300. I like how long it is, the longest narrow-body ever built.


Incorrect. Certain DC-8 stretches were approximately 10 feet longer (DC8 Super 61 and 63).
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:51 pm

I'd go for the 727, although I also like the 757.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:02 pm

The 757-300, hands down. It's so sexy, so athletic-looking. The long and lanky flying pencil with the takeoff performance of a rocket. It's a damn shame there weren't more of them built.

 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:47 pm

Beechcraft V35 Bonanza - maybe an update with two doors and a composite wing.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:29 am

Here's what I was thinking of:

MD-11ER (not the standard MD-11) with new and extended landing gear, 20-25% bigger rudder, wing engines mounted further out, and modern engines (three Trent 1000-R)

And for the Airbus A340neo:

- A340-300 becomes A340-800 and gets upsized, 40 000 lbf "Leap 1A40"
- A340-600 becomes A340-900 and gets "Trent 5000"

Trent 500 engines should be brought back if they are indeed out of production and would be used to power An-124's.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:19 am

Kno wrote:
I've never for the life of me understood why 3-3-3 is so strongly preferred over 2-5-2. Who wants to add 2 extra opportunities to be stuck in a middle seat? How many people actually travel in groups of 3 that NEED to be sitting directly next to each other with no isle in between? There must be an industry reason this is preferred (something about IFE I think?) but for travelers I can't imagine how 3-3-3 is better.

You're right ... unless you get the middle seat of the 5 central seats, which is really awful. That's why I think 3-3-3 is arguably preferable to 2-5-2.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:44 am

Kno wrote:
I've never for the life of me understood why 3-3-3 is so strongly preferred over 2-5-2. Who wants to add 2 extra opportunities to be stuck in a middle seat?

There's 3 'middle' seats in either config so don't know where these 2 extra opportunities come from.
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I believe the preference is due to the feeling of being crowded and crammed in, experienced by the majority on board that have been shoved in the denser middle 5.
3-3-3 just feels less dense/crowded.


The correct answer is Concorde (maybe with more fuel efficient engines).
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:28 am

Vickers Vanguard

Chuck on some slightly uprated PW150s and new avionics and you have fast 100-120 pax shorthaul propliner.

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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:53 am

Also Lockheed L-188 with modern avionics and refinements, 25% bigger propellers with the same overall appearance and shape (keep the four blades), and 20% longer wings. New engine as well, likely PW150.

Slight stretch to be configurable for up to 130 pax or so.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:17 pm

StrandedAtMKG wrote:
The 757-300, hands down. It's so sexy, so athletic-looking. The long and lanky flying pencil with the takeoff performance of a rocket. It's a damn shame there weren't more of them built.


Well said. Boeing doesn't need to add another widebody to their family. Put some modern engines, avionics, etc. on the 757 & for Heaven's sake, keep the mid-cabin door! That's one of the reasons why airlines are choosing the A321 over the tired 737s. then just call it the 797. Done.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:02 pm

A340 and the Super Connie
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:09 pm

FatCat wrote:
A340 and the Super Connie


Well here it is:

acjbbj wrote:
And for the Airbus A340neo:

- A340-300 becomes A340-800 and gets upsized, 40 000 lbf "Leap 1A40"
- A340-600 becomes A340-900 and gets "Trent 5000"

Trent 500 engines should be brought back if they are indeed out of production and would be used to power An-124's.


The "Lockheed Constellation Next Generation" series:

- LM-049J
- LM-349J
- LM-749J
- LM-1049J
- LM-1249J
- LM-1649J "Super StarLiner"
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:12 pm

Chemist wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
757-300. I like how long it is, the longest narrow-body ever built.


Incorrect. Certain DC-8 stretches were approximately 10 feet longer (DC8 Super 61 and 63).


TU-144 and Concorde were longer, too. If I am not mistaken, the Concorde wins this section with almost 62 m.

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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:17 pm

acjbbj wrote:
FatCat wrote:
A340 and the Super Connie


Well here it is:

acjbbj wrote:
And for the Airbus A340neo:

- A340-300 becomes A340-800 and gets upsized, 40 000 lbf "Leap 1A40"
- A340-600 becomes A340-900 and gets "Trent 5000"

Trent 500 engines should be brought back if they are indeed out of production and would be used to power An-124's.


The "Lockheed Constellation Next Generation" series:

- LM-049J
- LM-349J
- LM-749J
- LM-1049J
- LM-1249J
- LM-1649J "Starliner NextGen"


A340s are perfect as they are
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:38 pm

L-1011 , just because I love it.

To make it more real I would say a B-757-250-MAX-LR (with 787 Cockpit and Cabin Style , Cabin Fibre Materials and new Engines )
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Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:38 pm

Delta777Jet wrote:
To make it more real I would say a B-757-250-MAX-LR (with 787 Cockpit and Cabin Style , Cabin Fibre Materials and new Engines )

And put the thick part of the fuselage forward of the wings instead of aft for better area ruling.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:39 am



Seriously, there is no currently produced aircraft that can do what the beaver does. It's nice that the Other is getting a new run, but it is a lot of aircraft for the bush.

No real new development is needed. Build them to the specs of Viking's Turbo Beaver upgrade, you're good to go.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:28 pm

757-300 with two Trent 500 or Trent 700

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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:04 pm

Wright Flyer, with new engine option.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:04 pm

For nostalgia reasons the list is endless.

For commercial reasons, I think the only type that would actually sell (without modifications or upgrades) would be the Boeing 717 as it still has demand with several operators and tends to operate short, high yielding routes so it doesn’t have to be super efficient. Of course it would likely be prohibitively expensive to get the production line running again.

757/767 would need a MAX option to sellable.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:54 pm

VC-10.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:13 pm

Seabear wrote:
VC-10.


VC-10-80 (baseline)

VC-10-90 (stretch)
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:21 pm

Certainly the Tupolev Tu-154. It's such a beautiful and iconic plane. Also the Ilyushin Il-62 and 86, Boeing 727 and 757.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:47 am

BAC 111, DC8, 707, MD11.

I never got to fly on any of those and that needs to be addressed.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:00 am

CPHFF wrote:
IL-62 with modern hi bypass turbofans. Enough power to go from 4 to 2 engines.


A modernized IL-62 with two very large rear mounted high bypass engines that are almost as wide in diameter as the fuselage itself would be quite the sight to see.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:01 pm

A modernized AN-225
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:49 pm

Concorde, Boeing 717, Boeing 757 - all equipped with modern engines with better efficiency
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:14 am

Airstud wrote:
BAC 111, DC8, 707, MD11.

I never got to fly on any of those and that needs to be addressed.


Airstud wrote:
BAC 111


Heck, they should resurrect the Avro RJ.

I imagine trijets making a comeback if we see need for STOL freight aircraft, but for now that is only a dream. And speaking of the MD-11, that plane with larger and (much) more powerful engines would be perfect. Needs a couple of changes, though:

    1. Newer, thicker wings
    2. Increase the distance between the engine's and fuselage's centre lines by about 20% (move the engines 20% further out)
    3. GP7277 engines
    4. Vertical stabiliser above the tail engine is made about 30% taller
    5. Any other necessary modifications/enlargements that would be needed. Beefier landing gear would be included.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:00 am

acjbbj wrote:
Airstud wrote:
BAC 111, DC8, 707, MD11.

I never got to fly on any of those and that needs to be addressed.


Airstud wrote:
BAC 111


Heck, they should resurrect the Avro RJ.



No need; as I have already been on a BAe 146 (airBC, YEG-YVR, January 2001)
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:25 pm

757 hands down
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:45 pm

Douglas DC-3. Easy to fly, easy to fix.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:46 am

FCOTSTW wrote:
Douglas DC-3. Easy to fly, easy to fix.


Boeing DC-3-70, DC-3-80, and DC-3-90, turboprop powered.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:23 pm

The Ilyushin 62 is an amazing and interesting aircraft which I'd like to see come back to commercial service. They could modernize it, and (if possible) give it 2 engines instead of 4. I have heard that Ilyushin is considering a 2 engine IL-96, so maybe they could bring back the Il-86 but give it 2 engines, and call it a variant of the Il-96.
 
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:45 pm

The 757, with more efficient engines and more range.
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Re: Which plane to bring back to production?

Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:50 pm

For fun, 727.

For usefulness of an airline, 757 or 717 seem to fit the bill and needs of airlines these days.
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