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Sooner787 wrote:Don't see why smaller airports can't have private screeners if they're following
TSA guidelines. Hell, chances are the private screeners would be an upgrade
adam47150 wrote:Does SFB still use private security, or has security coverage reverted back to the TSA?
flyguy84 wrote:This is such a ridiculous idea that I don't think it will EVER come to fruition. The fact they want to screen passengers at hubs rather than smaller outstations would absolutely kill connecting passengers.
n6238p wrote:It absolutely is a bad idea from a security standpoint but a close second is going to be when passengers land and have to be rescreened at the bigger airport. There will be so many missconnects. On top of that, now you have to employ people to escort passengers from the airside back to security. You’ll have to buy busses and can’t use jet bridges that don’t maintain a sterile security area. Who thinks up this s***?
adam47150 wrote:Does SFB still use private security, or has security coverage reverted back to the TSA?
Yflyer wrote:ANC has a couple of gates pre-security where these flights arrive.
enilria wrote:Getting rid or shrinking TSA is a great idea, however, it would need to be replaced with private screeners.
spacecadet wrote:enilria wrote:Getting rid or shrinking TSA is a great idea, however, it would need to be replaced with private screeners.
So, going back to pre-9/11, then?
spacecadet wrote:enilria wrote:Getting rid or shrinking TSA is a great idea, however, it would need to be replaced with private screeners.
So, going back to pre-9/11, then?
People need to be careful what they wish for. I'm sure this isn't universal, but a lot of people on this site probably don't remember what "security" even was back then. The TSA is hardly perfect and I criticize them as much as anybody, but pre-9/11 security basically didn't even exist. And that's how 9/11 happened. (Along with a lot of other hijackings, bombings, on-board shootings and other things, don't forget.)
Private screeners pre-9/11 were an absolute joke, and they were accountable to no one. Have a complaint about pre-9/11 security? Who were you going to complain to, your congressman?! (snicker)
Yflyer wrote:There are, I believe, some tiny airports in Alaska that already don't have security screening at all, the sort of places served on 30 seat props from Pen Air, Era, and the like. ANC has a couple of gates pre-security where these flights arrive. Passengers connecting onward to a mainline AS flight are screened at ANC.
But if this was implemented in the lower 48 I'm not sure how it would work at the hub airports. No hub besides ANC that I'm aware of is set up to handle the arrival of unscreened passengers. All the gates are after security. Would the flights have to park at a remote stand and the passengers be bused around to the front of the terminal? That seems like kind of an awkward arrangement.
And yeah, this would pretty much kill the advantage of using smaller airports in the first place. IMO the best thing about small airports is the much shorter security lines, and the fact that you can avoid the usually much longer lines at the hub airport. And the need to be screened at the hub would necessitate longer connecting times, at which point it often becomes faster to just drive to the hub rather than using the small airport.
LAXintl wrote:I see this as an excellent idea.
Builds on the existing process at many airports with aircraft under <19 seats that don't have screening. Simply raise this limit to include 50-seaters now.
This would allow TSA to concentrate and fund resources at large airports.
LAXintl wrote:I see this as an excellent idea.
Builds on the existing process at many airports with aircraft under <19 seats that don't have screening. Simply raise this limit to include 50-seaters now.
This would allow TSA to concentrate and fund resources at large airports.
enilria wrote:terrible for hub airports and connecting passengers until airports are rebuilt. I’d propose that the PFC be immediately raises for non-exempt airports as this will cost a bundle to facilitate re-screening and even more to create bypasses for local passengers.
Armodeen wrote:LAXintl wrote:I see this as an excellent idea.
Builds on the existing process at many airports with aircraft under <19 seats that don't have screening. Simply raise this limit to include 50-seaters now.
This would allow TSA to concentrate and fund resources at large airports.
Because it's ok to murder only 50 people at a time?
Aliqiout wrote:Because terrosists can't figure out how to get to small airports?
PatrickZ80 wrote:Aliqiout wrote:Because terrosists can't figure out how to get to small airports?
My concern exactly. What would happen if someone with bad intentions shows up at a small unscreened airport and boards a flight from there. They can basically bring anything on board since security is only done at arrival. That is, if the plane ever arrives....
Cutting security at small airports is asking for trouble, do they want another 9/11?
MatthewDB wrote:Airport screening didn't screw up on 9/11. The terrorists used items that were permitted at the time - box cutters and short knives were allowed items on airplanes prior to 9/11
PITingres wrote:for anyone who thinks that they are safer thanks to the way TSA does screening, consider this: If I were a terrorist and wanted to kill a bunch of people, all I have to do is walk into any good-sized airport at a busy period. There's a couple hundred, nicely pre-collected into a small area and just standing there waiting for me. It's called the security line -- how ironic.
XAM2175 wrote:This is done day-in-day-out across Australia right now
enilria wrote:LAXintl wrote:I see this as an excellent idea.
Builds on the existing process at many airports with aircraft under <19 seats that don't have screening. Simply raise this limit to include 50-seaters now.
This would allow TSA to concentrate and fund resources at large airports.
Like you I think this could be done and I like a lot of things about it. Here are my today thoughts:
1) will airlines like it or not? It puts them in the rare position of status quo vs lower costs. I think some airlines will Support this, others not.
2) agree the risk of a plane as a weapon is about the same for a 9 seater or a 60 seater. Also, buses have 60 seats and we don’t have screening. Finally, the cockpit door upgrade was enough to stop most hijack situations. They really need to do it on aircraft weight to prevent A319s in 59 seat configs in biz markets. That would be more of a safety risk as a weapon.
3) There are big winners and losers here:
A) fantastic for small airports with only 60 and less seats.
B) terrible for hub airports and connecting passengers until airports are rebuilt. I’d propose that the PFC be immediately raises for non-exempt airports as this will cost a bundle to facilitate re-screening and even more to create bypasses for local passengers.
C) great for 50 seaters. The whole market will grow exponentially.
D) great for pilots. Massive new demand for pilots as 50 seaters proliferate.
E) great for people not wanting to connect. There will be a massive increase in point to point flights which dodge TSA on both ends. XJet Part2! I’d expect the NE Shuttles would go to all 59 seaters and see demand skyrocket.
F) hub demand will decline.
G) G4 and others at airports without screening will either need to pay for private screeners or they are screwed. This will wreck G4’s business model and raise their relative cost Another reason legacies will be conflicted.
So I’m summary:
-great for pilots and pilot demand/wages
-good for small airports
-good for travelers not connecting
-great for regionals
-great for 50 seat jets
-great for point to point routes
-great for EAS costs
-really bad for hubs
-bad for Allegiant
-bad in that pilot supply is already tight
-bad if the industry adjusts to this and then something happens to cause it to revert
-bad for connecting customers. I think worse than today.
MaksFly wrote:You can get onto a crowded NYC subway, or almost any AMTRAC train without passing ANY security.... yet I have not heard of a train bombing....