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Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:04 am

How would you arrange the following aircraft from most overrated to least overrated?

In no particular order-
B737, 747, 757, 767 777 787
A319-A321, A330, A340, A350, A380
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:16 am

Hard to really call any of them overrated, the 737 and A320 series have sold incredibly well for good reason, and aircraft like the 747 and A380 are rightfully seen as giant feats of engineering
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:18 am

A380
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:28 am

believeinflight wrote:
How would you arrange the following aircraft from most overrated to least overrated?

In no particular order-
B737, 747, 757, 767 777 787
A319-A321, A330, A340, A350, A380


Can you define / elaborate what constitutes "overrated"? Do you mean overrated in terms of marketing, appreciation of the flying public, pilots liking it, aircraft specs, something else?
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:33 am

On a personal level, I find the Boeing 787 to be extremely overrated. I'm not a fanboy, I simply just don't like it. All the marketing hype left me incredibly disappointed and continually does to now. I've flown on it a lot with many airlines and just never come across anything "Dreamy" about it. It's definitely not the quietest, it's definitely not the most best feeling inside and it's definitely not worthy of all the market hype IMO.

I love Airbus and Boeing equally with the exception of marketing. Boeing's aggressive approach works well for airlines but tends to be a let down on the travelers. Airbus, whilst they did advertise the A350 a bit, took the better approach and just came out with an all round outstanding product in a stock-standard way. It certainly performs well with its A380 sister.

On the Airbus side though, the A340-600 was definitely a let down when it came out. Looks stunning but felt cheap and rushed on the inside.

Oh well, just a few personal opinions. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:41 am

The 737. It had it's place in history and will always be a remarkable aircraft but the design is at the very end. Boeing needs to stop milking the design when there is nothing more to mil out of it.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:57 am

ua900 wrote:
believeinflight wrote:
How would you arrange the following aircraft from most overrated to least overrated?

In no particular order-
B737, 747, 757, 767 777 787
A319-A321, A330, A340, A350, A380


Can you define / elaborate what constitutes "overrated"? Do you mean overrated in terms of marketing, appreciation of the flying public, pilots liking it, aircraft specs, something else?


A combination of everything. I left it open ended because I wanted a more overall viewpoint.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:05 am

Overrated aircraft (In my opinion)
1. 787 (Cramped seating, gimicky and questionable features like the transitional windows and "anti-turbulence". Dreamliner? More like a nightmare)

2. MD80/MD90 (Noisy, pain in the a** to load, most had/have few to no amenities like wifi, power or PTVs but were/are commonly deployed on 2 to 3 1/2 hr flights) However, i've always liked the sleek and feminine design.

3. Turboprops of any kind (Noisy, slow, can't fly above certain types of bad weather which means most trips you're tossed around like a paper plane)

4. A380 (Good idea but i'll never get over the hideous, stubby design)

5. 737 (just a "meh" aircraft. The Plain Jane of aviation. I know, its a stupid reason but since you asked...)

6. Regional jets in general specifically CRJs. I go out of my way not to fly on them.

Favorite Aircraft (Again in my opinion)
1. MD11 (I know it was largely due to poor fuel economy and the introduction of aircraft like the 777 but she left us too soon)

2. 757 (The mid-sized SUV of aviation. The A321LR and 737MAX are not suitable replacements)

3. A340-600 (Always a treat to see this beauty, again leaving us too soon)

4. A330

5. A350

6. 747-400
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:27 am

Super80Fan wrote:
The 737. It had it's place in history and will always be a remarkable aircraft but the design is at the very end. Boeing needs to stop milking the design when there is nothing more to mil out of it.


How do you really feel?
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:34 am

737
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:40 am

MD-11 as proven by how quickly she was disposed of by all major carriers and is now pretty much exclusively a freighter. She never fulfilled her promise as a successor to the DC-10.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:45 am

The B-737, hands down. However you slice a 50 years old design it just remains a weird looking, cramped aircraft with weight & balance issues and a seriously botched door design.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:21 am

holcakker wrote:
The B-737, hands down. However you slice a 50 years old design it just remains a weird looking, cramped aircraft with weight & balance issues and a seriously botched door design.


And the best selling most profitable airplane of all time, which many major reputable airplanes still buy in droves. Funny how that works.

The whole cramped thing is a farce too. An AS 737 in coach is a heck of a lot less cramped than an AA A319 with 30” seat pitch.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:32 am

trexel94 wrote:
Overrated aircraft (In my opinion)
1. 787 (Cramped seating, gimicky and questionable features like the transitional windows and "anti-turbulence". Dreamliner? More like a nightmare)


There’s no such thing as “anti-turbulence”. Where did you make that up? There are however flight controls features such as gust suppression and modal suppression that are not “gimmicky” but rather designed and tested by highly experienced engineers who know what they are talking about in regards to flight controls design. ;)

The cramped seating is not Boeing's fault either. Blame the airlines. Boeing designed the airplane for 2-4-2 seating. The airlines decided to cram you into 3-3-3 seating. Just like airlines who cram you into your favorite 757.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:41 am

I'd call the A380 overrated, it's far too big. Sure it's a comfortable aircraft, I believe that. However there are other comfortable aircraft out there that are smaller.

The 747 can be called overrated too. Sure, it was a beautiful aircraft back in the days, but it's had it's time. It just doesn't fit in the modern era anymore.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:43 am

This a purely subjective question based on each persons own personal taste. Unless you are able to quantify any errors in design, performance etc.
If we go on looks alone then I would have to go
380. Just don't like the look
747SP stumpy out of proportion
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:44 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Overrated aircraft (In my opinion)
1. 787 (Cramped seating, gimicky and questionable features like the transitional windows and "anti-turbulence". Dreamliner? More like a nightmare)


There’s no such thing as “anti-turbulence”. Where did you make that up? There are however flight controls features such as gust suppression and modal suppression that are not “gimmicky” but rather designed and tested by highly experienced engineers who know what they are talking about in regards to flight controls design. ;)

The cramped seating is not Boeing's fault either. Blame the airlines. Boeing designed the airplane for 2-4-2 seating. The airlines decided to cram you into 3-3-3 seating. Just like airlines who cram you into your favorite 757.


Stop blaming the airlines. Boeing did a piss poor job choosing the width of the 787. They should either have made it a little wider so that 3-3-3 is akin to the A350 (for example). Or, they should have narrowed the width so that 3-3-3 was not a a viable option (like the A330, where squeezing in an extra seat @ 16" width is unacceptable to most airlines). This is not rocket science. Boeing should have considered this before determining the final width of the aircraft. They screwed up, and now the pax pay the price when they're squashed in those horrid 17" seats.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:57 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
holcakker wrote:
The B-737, hands down. However you slice a 50 years old design it just remains a weird looking, cramped aircraft with weight & balance issues and a seriously botched door design.


And the best selling most profitable airplane of all time, which many major reputable airplanes still buy in droves. Funny how that works.

The whole cramped thing is a farce too. An AS 737 in coach is a heck of a lot less cramped than an AA A319 with 30” seat pitch.


May be popular with airlines, not so much with passengers (and even pilots).

- Cramped, noisy cockpit
- Landings are challenging due to the lack of flare because of stubby landing gear (especially on the -9), and higher landing speeds
- Look at how deformed all the CFM engines are in order to fit under the wing. The Leap 1-B just looks ridiculous!
- Windows too low, awkward to look out of
- Narrow seats
- Noisy cabin
- Poorly designed doors (compared to more modern aircraft). Next time you're on one, watch the poor FAs try to open and close those things.

So yes, the 737 is overrated. :)
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:08 am

trexel94 wrote:
Overrated aircraft (In my opinion)
1. 787 (Cramped seating, gimicky and questionable features like the transitional windows and "anti-turbulence". Dreamliner? More like a nightmare)

2. MD80/MD90 (Noisy, pain in the a** to load, most had/have few to no amenities like wifi, power or PTVs but were/are commonly deployed on 2 to 3 1/2 hr flights) However, i've always liked the sleek and feminine design.

3. Turboprops of any kind (Noisy, slow, can't fly above certain types of bad weather which means most trips you're tossed around like a paper plane)

4. A380 (Good idea but i'll never get over the hideous, stubby design)

5. 737 (just a "meh" aircraft. The Plain Jane of aviation. I know, its a stupid reason but since you asked...)

6. Regional jets in general specifically CRJs. I go out of my way not to fly on them.

Favorite Aircraft (Again in my opinion)
1. MD11 (I know it was largely due to poor fuel economy and the introduction of aircraft like the 777 but she left us too soon)

2. 757 (The mid-sized SUV of aviation. The A321LR and 737MAX are not suitable replacements)

3. A340-600 (Always a treat to see this beauty, again leaving us too soon)

4. A330

5. A350

6. 747-400


Don't understand how the 787 is overrated. It is overrated if never flown on the type. Seating config of 3x3x3 is not a fault of Boeing. The lower cabin attitude makes the journey much more comfortable than other longhauls. Case in point, I fly from SFO to SYD very often on UA beginning with the 747. Felt very dehydrated on the 747s. Then UA changed to 777-200ER, same problem with dehydration but not as bad. Then they rolled out with 787-9 to Oz. Journey on the 787s much more comfortable and I'm not as dehydrated and wiped out at the end of my journey.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:46 am

On the A380s I've flown on, it's a mixed bag depending on who operates it and how new the plane is. You can pick a new EK A380 from the original generation ones. Some are excellent, some are over-rated (from the interior). All however are quiet and seem to be brilliant in turbulence.

Biggest surprise was the EK B777-300/ER with the new business class, really superb, great seats, excellent entertainment, very comfortable. But take your noise cancelling headphones as the 777 is very noisy.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:01 am

atsiang wrote:
Don't understand how the 787 is overrated. Seating config of 3x3x3 is not a fault of Boeing.

Pretty sure Boeing designed and had the aircraft certified for such a config. How is it not the fault of Boeing?
If they wanted it to stay 2-4-2 they shouldn't have designed (or certified) it for 3-3-3.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:10 am

holcakker wrote:
The B-737, hands down. However you slice a 50 years old design it just remains a weird looking, cramped aircraft with weight & balance issues and a seriously botched door design.


Agreed, its way overproduced, ugly and a played out design. Its great for airlines but beyond boring. You cant escape them.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:14 am

ChrisKen wrote:
atsiang wrote:
Don't understand how the 787 is overrated. Seating config of 3x3x3 is not a fault of Boeing.

Pretty sure Boeing designed and had the aircraft certified for such a config. How is it not the fault of Boeing?
If they wanted it to stay 2-4-2 they shouldn't have designed (or certified) it for 3-3-3.


Having followed Boeing and its journey with the 787 design, their intent was for 2x4x2 seating and not for 3x3x3. Yes, its certified for 3x3x3 but that doesnt mean it was the design from the outset. The same thing can be said with 777, it was designed for 9 abreast and not 10 even though 10 across is now certifiable.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:54 pm

The A340 hands down.

Airlines couldn’t replace it fast enough.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:58 pm

Honestly probably the Concorde.

Nostalgia aside from an aspect of passenger comfort it scores pretty low. The seating was terribly cramped, it was loud and often uncomfortably warm, the lavatories were a complete joke. It was basically a very loud CRJ.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:40 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
The A340 hands down.

Airlines couldn’t replace it fast enough.


Indeed. That's why 250/377 are still in service... :sarcastic:
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:46 pm

Judging from how many A-netters who want the aircraft production lines to be opened again and/or tell how stupid Boeing to stop its production, it's 757.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:58 pm

bgm wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
holcakker wrote:
The B-737, hands down. However you slice a 50 years old design it just remains a weird looking, cramped aircraft with weight & balance issues and a seriously botched door design.


And the best selling most profitable airplane of all time, which many major reputable airplanes still buy in droves. Funny how that works.

The whole cramped thing is a farce too. An AS 737 in coach is a heck of a lot less cramped than an AA A319 with 30” seat pitch.


May be popular with airlines, not so much with passengers (and even pilots).

- Cramped, noisy cockpit
- Landings are challenging due to the lack of flare because of stubby landing gear (especially on the -9), and higher landing speeds
- Look at how deformed all the CFM engines are in order to fit under the wing. The Leap 1-B just looks ridiculous!
- Windows too low, awkward to look out of
- Narrow seats
- Noisy cabin
- Poorly designed doors (compared to more modern aircraft). Next time you're on one, watch the poor FAs try to open and close those things.

So yes, the 737 is overrated. :)


Agreed, good for economics doesn't mean it is an excellent airplane.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:24 pm

Concorde. By a billion miles.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:01 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
bgm wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

And the best selling most profitable airplane of all time, which many major reputable airplanes still buy in droves. Funny how that works.

The whole cramped thing is a farce too. An AS 737 in coach is a heck of a lot less cramped than an AA A319 with 30” seat pitch.


May be popular with airlines, not so much with passengers (and even pilots).

- Cramped, noisy cockpit
- Landings are challenging due to the lack of flare because of stubby landing gear (especially on the -9), and higher landing speeds
- Look at how deformed all the CFM engines are in order to fit under the wing. The Leap 1-B just looks ridiculous!
- Windows too low, awkward to look out of
- Narrow seats
- Noisy cabin
- Poorly designed doors (compared to more modern aircraft). Next time you're on one, watch the poor FAs try to open and close those things.

So yes, the 737 is overrated. :)


Agreed, good for economics doesn't mean it is an excellent airplane.


Really? Last time I checked the airlines were in the business to make money. I didn’t realize that airlines should be using different criteria like how sexy the engines look to make their purchasing decisions. I guess being the best selling airplane of all time means a lot of customers bought an inferior product.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:33 pm

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I guess being the best selling airplane of all time means a lot of customers bought an inferior product.

Easy to say it's the best selling aircraft of all time if nothing else is being offered for 50 years. If it's so much superior how come Airbus could sell 8000+ of its rival?
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:52 am

holcakker wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
I guess being the best selling airplane of all time means a lot of customers bought an inferior product.

Easy to say it's the best selling aircraft of all time if nothing else is being offered for 50 years. If it's so much superior how come Airbus could sell 8000+ of its rival?


Largely due to the fact that when the 320 came to market Boeing had such a backlog that a dead cat with wings would have sold 1000 copies instantly.

The fact an aircraft STILL sells after 50 years speaks to how NOT overrated it is.

If we are talking overrated on a.net I would put the 380 at the top of the class. It has been a financial disaster for Airbus.

From a PAX perspective I always thought anything ATR makes is abject crap.

Now if you wanna talk underrated its gotta be the ol '27. And the DC9. Both were loud but god were they workhorses.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:18 am

With all due respect but I think many posters misunderstood the OP‘s question. It’s not about what which aircraft you like or not but if such aircraft are over- or underrated.

The biggest potential for being overrated have definitely the B787 and the A380. They got so much media coverage during development, EIS etc.

The biggest potential for being the most underrated aircraft have the B737, the A320 and the DC-9. Reliable workhorses that get rarely any media coverage, compared to the B787 and the A380.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:13 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
bgm wrote:

May be popular with airlines, not so much with passengers (and even pilots).

- Cramped, noisy cockpit
- Landings are challenging due to the lack of flare because of stubby landing gear (especially on the -9), and higher landing speeds
- Look at how deformed all the CFM engines are in order to fit under the wing. The Leap 1-B just looks ridiculous!
- Windows too low, awkward to look out of
- Narrow seats
- Noisy cabin
- Poorly designed doors (compared to more modern aircraft). Next time you're on one, watch the poor FAs try to open and close those things.

So yes, the 737 is overrated. :)


Agreed, good for economics doesn't mean it is an excellent airplane.


Really? Last time I checked the airlines were in the business to make money. I didn’t realize that airlines should be using different criteria like how sexy the engines look to make their purchasing decisions. I guess being the best selling airplane of all time means a lot of customers bought an inferior product.


Not the best selling airplane of all time.
The DC-3 sold over 10,000 copies when including military versions.
The Cessna 172, still in production, has sold over 44,000.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:38 pm

Overrated: Probably the A380. People act like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality if it wasn't for Emirates they probably would have stopped production a long time ago.

Underrated: I'd have to go with the Airbus A220. It's such a good fit for so many operators, it's state of the art, and nobody gives a crap.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:40 pm

N14AZ wrote:
With all due respect but I think many posters misunderstood the OP‘s question. It’s not about what which aircraft you like or not...


Exactly what I was going to say. For example:

trexel94 wrote:
6. Regional jets in general specifically CRJs. I go out of my way not to fly on them.


Almost nobody likes the CRJ. Therefore by definition the CRJ is not overrated, because it's not "rated" very highly in the first place.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:41 pm

Chemist wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:

Agreed, good for economics doesn't mean it is an excellent airplane.


Really? Last time I checked the airlines were in the business to make money. I didn’t realize that airlines should be using different criteria like how sexy the engines look to make their purchasing decisions. I guess being the best selling airplane of all time means a lot of customers bought an inferior product.


Not the best selling airplane of all time.
The DC-3 sold over 10,000 copies when including military versions.
The Cessna 172, still in production, has sold over 44,000.


Thanks for pointing that out. I should have specified that I meant passenger jet.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:11 pm

Boeing 787
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:27 am

I don't get the hype surround the A380 or 747. The 747 looks lumpy and was arguably too much airplane for a lot of the airlines that it flew with. Similarly, I will never understand why people get all excited about flying in the A380 simply because it's big. Bigger aircraft also means bigger crowd at boarding, longer time to get off, and bigger crowd at immigration. Of course the A380 also has the problem of being too much airplane except for a few specific cases.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:20 am

I'd say the A350 is up there. It's one of the narrowest fits for an economy passenger, yet on this site you'd think it's the second coming of the 767. Don't get me wrong, the A350 is a great aircraft, but there's no objective way to think of it much differently then the 787. Both are the top of the class in my view.

bgm wrote:
Stop blaming the airlines. Boeing did a piss poor job choosing the width of the 787. They should either have made it a little wider so that 3-3-3 is akin to the A350 (for example). Or, they should have narrowed the width so that 3-3-3 was not a a viable option (like the A330, where squeezing in an extra seat @ 16" width is unacceptable to most airlines). This is not rocket science. Boeing should have considered this before determining the final width of the aircraft. They screwed up, and now the pax pay the price when they're squashed in those horrid 17" seats.


The A350 is only marginally wider than the 787. Not enough to notice (unless you want to notice of course). If the 787 is a problem compared to previous generation airliners, the A350 is cramped as well.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:36 am

A380. Hideous and oversized. Oversize expectations for an Oversize airplane.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:52 am

MSPNWA wrote:
I'd say the A350 is up there. It's one of the narrowest fits for an economy passenger, yet on this site you'd think it's the second coming of the 767. Don't get me wrong, the A350 is a great aircraft, but there's no objective way to think of it much differently then the 787. Both are the top of the class in my view.

bgm wrote:
Stop blaming the airlines. Boeing did a piss poor job choosing the width of the 787. They should either have made it a little wider so that 3-3-3 is akin to the A350 (for example). Or, they should have narrowed the width so that 3-3-3 was not a a viable option (like the A330, where squeezing in an extra seat @ 16" width is unacceptable to most airlines). This is not rocket science. Boeing should have considered this before determining the final width of the aircraft. They screwed up, and now the pax pay the price when they're squashed in those horrid 17" seats.


The A350 is only marginally wider than the 787. Not enough to notice (unless you want to notice of course). If the 787 is a problem compared to previous generation airliners, the A350 is cramped as well.


The A350 has an inch wider seats (that's 2 inches extra between you and your seatmate. 18" seats are standard across the Airbus fleet. 17" seems to be standard across the Boeing fleet (767 and 777 in a 3-3-3 config excepted).

The 787 is a great plane, but Boeing definitely dropped the ball choosing the cabin width. The A350 was designed for 9 abreast seating.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:42 am

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The A350 has an inch wider seats (that's 2 inches extra between you and your seatmate. 18" seats are standard across the Airbus fleet. 17" seems to be standard across the Boeing fleet (767 and 777 in a 3-3-3 config excepted).

The 787 is a great plane, but Boeing definitely dropped the ball choosing the cabin width. The A350 was designed for 9 abreast seating.

It amazes me that people still believe this. You're just another one of those people who believe what Airbus and the PaxEx experts say without looking at the actual numbers, all of which are publicly available. The seats on the A350 are not 1 inch wider, Airbus only wants you to believe that. What they don't tell you in their marketing is that they have to use a thinner armrest (1.5 inches) to achieve the 18 inch seat width, whereas the 787 uses the standard 2 inch armrest to get its 17.2 inch seat width. Look at the 9 abreast configuration in both ACAPS. The difference between a row of 3 seats is literally 0.5 inches! (60.11 inches for the A350 And 59.6 inches for the 787). Using Airbus' technique the 787 could also have 18 inch seats at 9 abreast as well, despite many who claim that its "mathematically impossible".

Its funny sometimes when reading PaxEx experts praise the A350 seats and turn a blind eye to this fact, but then absolutely detest the idea of thinner armrests on a Boeing to increase seat width...

So to keep with the topic, I'd agree that the A350 is overrated but only based on its economy seating, otherwise I think it's a fantastic aircraft.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:40 pm

I personally think the 787 and A380 live up to the praise. They are by far the most comfortable aircraft and are definitely not overrated.

You now have low cost carriers flying the 787 on long haul, with their semi-business class recliners up front at an amazing price. You now effectively have something more comfortable than mainline premium economy for half the price of mainline premium economy. My family for the last couple years have flown only in business class on Jetstar and Scoot when leaving Australia.

I think the 747-400 is overrated because people were obsessed with it. It wasn't that much better than the competition.

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The A321LR is overrated. Just a small MTO bump and people think it can fly ultra long haul but it has to take a payload hit to fly its rated range.

The A350-900ULR is overrated. Simply swapping payload for range. It doesn't fly any further than a normal A350 if you have a normal cabin fitout.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:27 pm

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777 IS OVERRATED!! CAN YOU HEAR ME OVER THE ENGINES!!

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
Seriously, I like how you are trying to make your point. :bigthumbsup:
But though louder than other currently flying jetliners, its high noise level is way overrated.
And I believe the upcoming -8 & -9 will be much quieter.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:19 pm

The A320/321 series.

Totally boring.
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:52 pm

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The A320/321 series.

Totally boring.

Again, the question was not what you consider as boring or not. The question is even in the thread title, easy to read.
 
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:25 pm

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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:27 pm

Judging by fanboyism on a.net, definitely the 757 and A380.

757 - Seriously, how many threads about how "Boeing could have built 757MAX" or "Nothing will ever replace 757, ever". Yes, 757 has its niche and it's very good at it, but people pretend that it's actually more comfortable than a TATL A321 (It's not, it's the same) or that it's not a gas guzzler (Reason why unless an airline need it for its niche role, are retiring them left and right).
A380 - Well, at least according to A380 fanboi, every airlines in the world should have order it, while ignoring its not so great economics, and how it's simply too big of a plane for many operators.

I can't really see how 737 is overrated. It's what it is (i.e. "meh" aircraft that's boring, but is the workhorse for many airlines and does it jobs well; aka the Corollas/Camrys of Civil Aviation). Another workhorse, DC-9, is underrated in my opinion. Yes, it's loud, but how many aircraft can still fly when they're 50 years old with zero problems?
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Re: Most overrated aircraft?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:30 pm

N14AZ wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
The A320/321 series.

Totally boring.

Again, the question was not what you consider as boring or not. The question is even in the thread title, easy to read.


Okay...Totally Overrated and Boring.

Is that better?
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