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Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:20 am

I've been doing some "research" (counting off the number of gates through Google Maps), and it's quite unreliable, as some airports have A380s park at gates with 2 jet bridges, and some at remote stands. Can someone help me with this?
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:26 am

What is your definition of an "Airbus A380" capable gate ?
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:27 am

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... there cannot possibly be any other answer than DXB for #1 , yes?
after that.... who cares?
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:34 am

FlyHappy wrote:
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... there cannot possibly be any other answer than DXB for #1 , yes?
after that.... who cares?

Yes. It's obviously DXB.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:35 am

Bradin wrote:
What is your definition of an "Airbus A380" capable gate ?

A gate or remote stand at an airport with regularly scheduled A380 flights capable of handing the A380.
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:36 am

FA9295 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... there cannot possibly be any other answer than DXB for #1 , yes?
after that.... who cares?

Yes. It's obviously DXB.

I mean, of course, but I was looking for a list.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:10 am

Toulouse has a few, too.

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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:48 am

Let me think. Which airport has the most A380 operations. #MustbeDXB
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:13 am

SFODXBFRALHRBLR wrote:
I've been doing some "research" (counting off the number of gates through Google Maps), and it's quite unreliable, as some airports have A380s park at gates with 2 jet bridges, and some at remote stands. Can someone help me with this?


Bradin wrote:
What is your definition of an "Airbus A380" capable gate ?


Bradin asks a very valid question here. Because there are no "A380 capable gates" in real life. We have gate categories and the largest one is category F which is a square box of 80x80m (or 262.5x262.5ft).

Here's the full list Stitch posted into a thread nine years ago:
ICAO Annex 14 - Aerodrome Reference Code
(Aeroplane Wingspan; Outer Main Gear Wheel Span)
Code A - < 15m (49.2'); <4.5m (14.8')
Code B - 15m (49.2') - <24m (78.7'); 4.5m (14.8') - <6m (19.7')
Code C - 24m (78.7') - <36m (118.1'); 6m (19.7') - <9m (29.5')
Code D - 36m (118.1') - <52m (170.6'); 9m (29.5') - <14m (45.9')
Code E - 52m (170.6') - <65m (213.3'); 9m (29.5') - <14m (45.9')
Code F - 65m (213.3') - <80m (262.5'); 14m (45.9') - <16m (52.5')

There are other gate / parking spot sizes, but usually the shortest side defines into which category a spot falls. Because if you have a parking spot 70m wide, but only 60m long, you get the wingspan of certain aircraft into that spot, but not its length.

So counting double jet bridges is not relevant either, because a lot of aircraft use double jet bridges. 747s, 777s, 767s, some 757s, A330s, A340s, A380s...

Also the category F is not only required by the A380, but also by the 747 (since its existence), by the 773/77W, A346 and other aircraft longer than 65m.

So the only thing that was build on purpose for the A380 were tripple-jetbridge gates, where one jetbridge is dedicated to serving the upper deck. And these are only found on a few airports in the world. Usually the mega hubs. And sure DXB will be number one here, without having numbers on hand, but I guess that's a safe bet.

Perhaps someone has a list with all airports with tripple jet bridge gates?


Another point is, that while most larger airports have category F gates to take up 747s, A380s, etc., not all of them are A380 capable. And why is that? Mostly because the A380 has such a wide wingspan. That wingspan fits into the 80m-cat-F-box, but it's too wide for many taxiways and wouldn't allow the use of parallel taxiways, runways or even could collide with structures/buildings beside the taxiways. So that's the number 1 reason why you don't see the A380 at certain large airports (like HND).
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:30 am

DXB, then the home airport of those airlines with the biggest A380 fleets presumably.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:07 am

In addition to CARST's excellent detail above, any airport that can accept an A380 and has somewhere to park it (e.g. remote stand) could be considered to have "A380 capable gates".
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:16 am

CARST wrote:
SFODXBFRALHRBLR wrote:
I've been doing some "research" (counting off the number of gates through Google Maps), and it's quite unreliable, as some airports have A380s park at gates with 2 jet bridges, and some at remote stands. Can someone help me with this?


Bradin wrote:
What is your definition of an "Airbus A380" capable gate ?


Bradin asks a very valid question here. Because there are no "A380 capable gates" in real life. We have gate categories and the largest one is category F which is a square box of 80x80m (or 262.5x262.5ft).

Here's the full list Stitch posted into a thread nine years ago:
ICAO Annex 14 - Aerodrome Reference Code
(Aeroplane Wingspan; Outer Main Gear Wheel Span)
Code A - < 15m (49.2'); <4.5m (14.8')
Code B - 15m (49.2') - <24m (78.7'); 4.5m (14.8') - <6m (19.7')
Code C - 24m (78.7') - <36m (118.1'); 6m (19.7') - <9m (29.5')
Code D - 36m (118.1') - <52m (170.6'); 9m (29.5') - <14m (45.9')
Code E - 52m (170.6') - <65m (213.3'); 9m (29.5') - <14m (45.9')
Code F - 65m (213.3') - <80m (262.5'); 14m (45.9') - <16m (52.5')

There are other gate / parking spot sizes, but usually the shortest side defines into which category a spot falls. Because if you have a parking spot 70m wide, but only 60m long, you get the wingspan of certain aircraft into that spot, but not its length.

So counting double jet bridges is not relevant either, because a lot of aircraft use double jet bridges. 747s, 777s, 767s, some 757s, A330s, A340s, A380s...

Also the category F is not only required by the A380, but also by the 747 (since its existence), by the 773/77W, A346 and other aircraft longer than 65m.

So the only thing that was build on purpose for the A380 were tripple-jetbridge gates, where one jetbridge is dedicated to serving the upper deck. And these are only found on a few airports in the world. Usually the mega hubs. And sure DXB will be number one here, without having numbers on hand, but I guess that's a safe bet.

Perhaps someone has a list with all airports with tripple jet bridge gates?


Another point is, that while most larger airports have category F gates to take up 747s, A380s, etc., not all of them are A380 capable. And why is that? Mostly because the A380 has such a wide wingspan. That wingspan fits into the 80m-cat-F-box, but it's too wide for many taxiways and wouldn't allow the use of parallel taxiways, runways or even could collide with structures/buildings beside the taxiways. So that's the number 1 reason why you don't see the A380 at certain large airports (like HND).


Thanks for this CARST. Interesting table about the different stand codes. Just this summer I also had a unique experience in Frankfurt. A double jet bridge for an A321. So you can add that to your list as well :)
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:46 am

What about DWC?
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:43 am

LAX, LHR and CDG can handle a bunch.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:59 am

hooverman wrote:
LAX, LHR and CDG can handle a bunch.

FRA too. I counted 12 gates with 3 jetways, 9 at T1 and 3 at T2.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:21 am

Baku has an A380 gate, and another couple than can be converted to A380 configuration, but it's never as far as I can find out been used, it's just another vanity project.

AKL has 4 A380 gates with a number of hard stands for A380's as well.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:05 am

I'd put Lukla on that list :D

Seriously though, I heard that the new IST has 12 or 16 A380 gates (can't remember which)
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:25 am

The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:45 am

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...

It’s not a myth. Every existing gate at LHR not at new build T5 and used for A380s had to be re-aligned and rebuilt at considerable expense. Code F capable gates are pretty rare to be fair.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:19 pm

Would SIN have a number of such gates ?
 
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:27 pm

skipness1E wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...

It’s not a myth. Every existing gate at LHR not at new build T5 and used for A380s had to be re-aligned and rebuilt at considerable expense. Code F capable gates are pretty rare to be fair.


Maybe - but "code F" ≠ "A380-only". A380 was very deliberately built to an *existing* standard.
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:44 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...

It’s not a myth. Every existing gate at LHR not at new build T5 and used for A380s had to be re-aligned and rebuilt at considerable expense. Code F capable gates are pretty rare to be fair.


Maybe - but "code F" ≠ "A380-only". A380 was very deliberately built to an *existing* standard.


Yes, but then I wanted to differentiate between gates in let’s say a US airport’s domestic terminal used to handle B747 and in it’s international terminal being used to handle B747 and A380. I wanted a count of gates used to handle the A380, it’s fine if they handle other aircraft when the A380 is gone.
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Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:44 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
What about DWC?


If plans go as planned. I wonder if there is any gates now.
100% sure no jetway-gates (at all), remote I can't say.
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:47 pm

FlyRow wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
What about DWC?


If plans go as planned. I wonder if there is any gates now.
100% sure no jetway-gates (at all), remote I can't say.


Wait, why did this thread change topics? How does this topic have any relevance to the thread?
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:44 am

SFODXBFRALHRBLR, I noticed you joined two months ago.

With reference to your question above, " why did this thread change topics? How does this topic have any relevance to the thread?"

It happens all the time on Airliners.net.

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Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:10 am

e38 wrote:
SFODXBFRALHRBLR, I noticed you joined two months ago.

With reference to your question above, " why did this thread change topics? How does this topic have any relevance to the thread?"

It happens all the time on Airliners.net.

e38


Oh ok. Thanks.
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:11 am

SFODXBFRALHRBLR wrote:
FlyRow wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
What about DWC?


If plans go as planned. I wonder if there is any gates now.
100% sure no jetway-gates (at all), remote I can't say.


Wait, why did this thread change topics? How does this topic have any relevance to the thread?


I don't see how my answer was Off-Topic.

One poster suggested DWC as the airport with the most A380 gates.
I answered, in the future, it will probably be the airport with most Code-F gates. But for now, I'm not even sure they have code-F stands, they don't have jetway-gates for sure..
All in line with your question.....
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:13 am

FlyRow wrote:
SFODXBFRALHRBLR wrote:
FlyRow wrote:

If plans go as planned. I wonder if there is any gates now.
100% sure no jetway-gates (at all), remote I can't say.


Wait, why did this thread change topics? How does this topic have any relevance to the thread?


I don't see how my answer was Off-Topic.

One poster suggested DWC as the airport with the most A380 gates.
I answered, in the future, it will probably be the airport with most Code-F gates. But for now, I'm not even sure they have code-F stands, they don't have jetway-gates for sure..
All in line with your question.....


I wasn’t talking about the question, I was talking about the whole thread. I accidentally quoted you.
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:59 pm

SomebodyInTLS wrote:
The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...


Not a myth, by far most gates are too narrow for an A380. It does require special gates that are wide enough. Sometimes this is being solved by keeping the gates left and right empty.

However you don't need a gate with three jetways. Sure it goes faster that way, but in fact the number of jetways doesn't matter.

Recently I've been told that Amsterdam has two gates that are capable of handling an A380. They don't need more since very few A380s actually serve Amsterdam. The only airlines that fly an A380 there are Emirates and China Southern.
 
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Re: Airports With Most A380 Capable Gates (including remote stands)

Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:08 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
The myth that the A380 requires special gates goes on...


Not a myth, by far most gates are too narrow for an A380. It does require special gates that are wide enough. Sometimes this is being solved by keeping the gates left and right empty.

However you don't need a gate with three jetways. Sure it goes faster that way, but in fact the number of jetways doesn't matter.

Recently I've been told that Amsterdam has two gates that are capable of handling an A380. They don't need more since very few A380s actually serve Amsterdam. The only airlines that fly an A380 there are Emirates and China Southern.


http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... ngroup.pdf

Code F is 65-80m wingspan. A380 fits within code F.

"Most gates are too narrow for an A380" is just saying "most gates are not code F"... or maybe "some gates were built larger than code E but are not actually code F compliant".
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