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First ride on the Boeing 787

Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:35 pm

As an aviation enthusiast, I’ve been waiting to experience my first ride on the 787.

Major disappointment. The economy seats, as on most 787 carriers, were torture. I booked an exit row, so at least I had some legroom. But my “window” seat didn’t have a window, and I could barely fit my arse in the seat. When I tried to wedge my arm to find the seatbelt, I broke my watchband.

And the ride in the rear Economy section was very loud. I thought Boeing had made this aircraft much quieter.

For the record, El Al 789, EWR-TLV-EWR, 9-1/2 hours outbound, 11 hours return. The return flight was on 4X-EDF, the retro colors from the 1960s. Inflight service and food were quite good. But El Al still operates their 777s in 3-3-3 configuration, and the difference is between comfort and torture.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:09 am

DaveFly wrote:
As an aviation enthusiast, I’ve been waiting to experience my first ride on the 787.

Major disappointment. The economy seats, as on most 787 carriers, were torture. I booked an exit row, so at least I had some legroom. But my “window” seat didn’t have a window, and I could barely fit my arse in the seat. When I tried to wedge my arm to find the seatbelt, I broke my watchband.

And the ride in the rear Economy section was very loud. I thought Boeing had made this aircraft much quieter.

For the record, El Al 789, EWR-TLV-EWR, 9-1/2 hours outbound, 11 hours return. The return flight was on 4X-EDF, the retro colors from the 1960s. Inflight service and food were quite good. But El Al still operates their 777s in 3-3-3 configuration, and the difference is between comfort and torture.


Sorry to hear your flight was torture. BUT...

1. That exit row seat...of course it was narrow. With no seatback in front of you, the arm rests were probably fixed as well as wider than normal to accommodate the fold out tray table and or video screen. Unfortunately they don't provide wider seats to make up for that space that is taken up by the fixed arm rests...resulting in a potentially very uncomfortable seat. Was this the case with your seat?

2. Sucks you didn't have a window...but again, at that location, often times the exit row seats are just ahead of where the window is so the row behind you had the first window. I know, that sucks.

3. I've flown coach on three 787s - UA 787-8, UA 787-9 and VS 787-9 and enjoyed my experience each time thankfully. The VS was LHR-LAX and the middle seat was empty, so my window seat was quite comfortable...just luck of the draw there. The UA flights were DEN-IAH and IAH-LAX, windows both times, and reasonably comfortable. I'm a window kinda guy so I always try to get a window seat, being weary of the exit row pitfalls if possible.

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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:50 am

Premium classes on the 787 are fine but I would personally avoid the 787 in Y class unless if it's on JAL.
My biggest complaint would be the lack of shoulder room. I have broad shoulders and I was constantly bumping shoulders with my seatmate. Never again.
One could argue that it's not Boeing's fault that airlines configure their 787s that way, and that's a valid point. However, uncomfortable is uncomfortable no matter how you slice it, and 9-abreast is the industry standard for the 787. For the record, I also avoid 777s with 10-abreast and A330s with 9-abreast, so I'm not singling out Boeing.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:12 am

I for one have yet to fly on an 787 for better or for worse, I have been able to fly on A350s though. Only bad thing I can say is lack of personal air vents and me pressing the fa call button mid night looking for it, that and heavy turbulence causing stomach issues.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:34 am

I agree on points about Y class shoulder width and armrest width being so narrow. I have flown 787s NH.NZ.LA.ET, UA, including 8 across on flights between 3h-14h, I think it qualifies as the single most uncomfortable aircraft in service - I have had more comfortable narrow body and turboprop flights which haven't made me so numb and uncomfortable after a short period of time. It's a real shame because the 8 across 787 is spectacularly comfortable. The big windows and pleasant cabin pressure/humidity settings count for nothing if you are miserable.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:40 pm

aeromoe wrote:

Sorry to hear your flight was torture. BUT...

1. That exit row seat...of course it was narrow. With no seatback in front of you, the arm rests were probably fixed as well as wider than normal to accommodate the fold out tray table and or video screen. Unfortunately they don't provide wider seats to make up for that space that is taken up by the fixed arm rests...resulting in a potentially very uncomfortable seat. Was this the case with your seat?
Moe


Correct. That was the problem. The seats were a fraction narrower because of the fixed armrests and equipment.

I was aware of it beforehand, but the legroom (which was fantastic) was more important to me. The lack of a window surprised me because it wasn’t mentioned on Seatguru. If I twisted my neck around, I could catch glimpses of the wing.

Nonetheless, on this airline anyway, the 777 configuration is far more comfortable.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Actually I just got off a 787 yesterday, it was the Norwegian G-CKMU "Babe Ruth" that flew me from Los Angeles to Barcelona. I was seated in the rear, but it didn't matter to me. It was as comfortable as I expected it to be.

I'm rather tall, but as long as the person in front of me doesn't recline the seat I've got enough legroom. However I hate it when they recline. They should make those seats fixed, non-reclinable. Lucky for me the flight wasn't full so I could move to another seat.
 
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:07 pm

Here is the takeoff from TLV on the way to EWR:

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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:36 pm

AC FCO YYZ 789.

As of seats, nowadays airline opt for "slim seats", which, I think, can seriously affect the thickness of the padding.

As a matter of fact, I remember my last comfortable Y flight being KL' s M11 on AMS YYZ back in 2013.
 
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:41 am

I've flown on the B788/B789 with different operators and every time, everything was OK, even with JQ. I've flown it also with NZ and AA. My only complaint was with JQ and it was not the fault of the B788 but rather a fault with the pitiful unresponsive entertainment system on the seatback. That was my longest flight with the 787, SYD-HNL, and it was quiet and comfortable. I was in the first row of economy seats behind the business class on my AA flights, but honestly I do not remember anything about those seats, as I just flew SYD-LAX and on my LAX-ORD flights, I was pretty much out of it for the flight.
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:01 am

My flights on the 787 have been:
AC YYZ-LHR
AA ORD-LHR
AA MAN-ORD-MAN
AI BHX-DEL-BHX

My experience mirrors a lot of others here in that the windows are fantastic but you feel totally crammed in compared to being on an A330. I actively avoid the 787 if possible except I am not too bothered about flying it when I go back to DEL as the food more than made up for it.

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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 am

You get what you pay for, don't you. I've only flown the 787 in PE on JAL. It is noticeably quieter than the 777 in which I've flown the same class. The dimming windows can be an issue for daylight flights if you are on the southern side of the aircraft transpacific.
 
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Re: First ride on the Boeing 787

Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:04 pm

I like the 787 overall, but yes, the seat tightness is an issue.....but I believe this is because the 787 was originally planned as a 767 replacement, with 8 abreast......its the airlines and seat manufacturers who messed it up by converting it into a 9 abreast.....did I get this wrong?

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