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Geminijets101
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Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:12 am

I think Iberia may have done it a while ago.

Air Europe also did try flights to the Canary Islands.

AA is the only airline who serves this route,
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:33 am

AA and Iberia fly the route as part of their JBA. Iberia used to fly it and then AA took it over. They share profits on it. It's a metal neutral venture.

Why would Air Europa fly MIA-BCN? It is not a long-haul base for them.
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:21 am

AA flies from BCN to MIA, JFK, PHL, ORD and CLT as part of their TATL JV.

A lot have to change within IB to see long haul mainline a/c operating out of BCN

As said before, BCN isn't a long haul base for UX.

BCN is a low yield market (holidays, cruises, VFR) therefore served with high density configured aircraft
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:41 am

Since LEVEL has launched BCN-JFK competing with AA on the same route and Norwegian in the NYC market (BCN-EWR), I could eventually see them also launching BCN-MIA with 2-3 weekly flights. South Florida is the busiest market in the US for Spain after NYC and it is similar to the NYC set-out (AA flying BCN-MIA and Norwegian on BCN-FLL).
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:55 am

Spain works on a single-hub strategy basis for different reasons. Historically, MAD and its centralism as the capital city of the country has developed most of the air routes first. I don't make any considerations on which one has more potential, which one less, since it always leads to endless threads and often boring assumptions for the community from just locals. The fact is that both UX and IB have established hubs (with lots of duplicities) in MAD. Said that, Barcelona has an extensive network of long-haul connections, with strong presence of low-cost carriers LEVEL & Norwegian, plus all the most remarkable ones from Asia. The international image of the city is unbeatable.

Both UX and IB operate flights BCN-MAD which are time wise perfectly fitted to connect with most of the long-haul networks of them to the Americas.

Despite all this, Iberia tried for the very last time non-stop connections to both BRU and MIA back in 2011. (Link is just in Spanish, sorry!)

https://www.elperiodico.com/es/barcelon ... rzo-542774
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:03 am

BCN has indeed been gaining a lot of momentum with impressive growth rates since I moved here 8 years ago and has attracted high yield carriers such as SQ, CX, KE, CA. All 3 US3 and 2 of the ME3 plus TK fly multiple daily wide body rotations into BCN.

It’s not just cruise traffic and low yield (short- and medium inbound it is, and maybe higher yield traffic was depressed during the crisis until 2 years ago, but now no more).

One of the three Spanish long haul carriers will begin to fly the route. Many Catalans would welcome the option of avoiding MAD. UX and Level are probably viewed more favorably by many Catalans and are therefore the more likely candidates for it.

Don’t forget that QR had plans to turn Spanair into a long haul carrier and BCN into its hub stationing 15 777s in BCN. The Spanish government cancelled a bridge loan to stop that and spanair collapsed. But the potential is here.
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:54 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
One of the three Spanish long haul carriers will begin to fly the route. Many Catalans would welcome the option of avoiding MAD. UX and Level are probably viewed more favorably by many Catalans and are therefore the more likely candidates for it.


I don't see Air Europa having any interest in BCN.

UX has been reducing its exposure to the low-yielding BCN market year after year. BCN-MAD is now just a 2 daily wide-body flight (maybe 3 some days?), so purely focused on connections in MAD. Air Europa has completely given up on the local traffic (which is still Spain's busiest domestic route despite the AVE).

The only other remaining route is BCN-PMI; with UX being headquartered in Palma.

Not many years ago, UX flew to other domestic destinations in Spain from BCN and had multiple daily MAD-BCN flights. In this period they have strengthened their MAD hub with multiple new short and long haul destinations.
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:18 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
BCN has indeed been gaining a lot of momentum with impressive growth rates since I moved here 8 years ago and has attracted high yield carriers such as SQ, CX, KE, CA. All 3 US3 and 2 of the ME3 plus TK fly multiple daily wide body rotations into BCN.

It’s not just cruise traffic and low yield (short- and medium inbound it is, and maybe higher yield traffic was depressed during the crisis until 2 years ago, but now no more).

One of the three Spanish long haul carriers will begin to fly the route. Many Catalans would welcome the option of avoiding MAD. UX and Level are probably viewed more favorably by many Catalans and are therefore the more likely candidates for it.

Don’t forget that QR had plans to turn Spanair into a long haul carrier and BCN into its hub stationing 15 777s in BCN. The Spanish government cancelled a bridge loan to stop that and spanair collapsed. But the potential is here.


BCN growth is undisputable in terms of long haul markets being linked and not in terms of yields. Regarding Asian carriers being high yield one only have to see that most of them serve BCN with high density types.

Potential is there for LCC's hubs both long and short haul as the market is proving, but unfortunately not for a mainline hub.
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:59 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
BCN growth is undisputable in terms of long haul markets being linked and not in terms of yields. Regarding Asian carriers being high yield one only have to see that most of them serve BCN with high density types.

Potential is there for LCC's hubs both long and short haul as the market is proving, but unfortunately not for a mainline hub.


Not to mention carriers like Singapore Airlines which have been flying to BCN forever and can only handle a two weekly non-stop flight (!).
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:59 am

SCQ83 wrote:
Since LEVEL has launched BCN-JFK competing with AA on the same route and Norwegian in the NYC market (BCN-EWR), I could eventually see them also launching BCN-MIA with 2-3 weekly flights. South Florida is the busiest market in the US for Spain after NYC and it is similar to the NYC set-out (AA flying BCN-MIA and Norwegian on BCN-FLL).


Just a point of contention, Level doesn't compete with AA on BCN-JFK. It's IB opeated and part of the JV.
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:22 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
BCN has indeed been gaining a lot of momentum with impressive growth rates since I moved here 8 years ago and has attracted high yield carriers such as SQ, CX, KE, CA. All 3 US3 and 2 of the ME3 plus TK fly multiple daily wide body rotations into BCN.

It’s not just cruise traffic and low yield (short- and medium inbound it is, and maybe higher yield traffic was depressed during the crisis until 2 years ago, but now no more).

One of the three Spanish long haul carriers will begin to fly the route. Many Catalans would welcome the option of avoiding MAD. UX and Level are probably viewed more favorably by many Catalans and are therefore the more likely candidates for it.

Don’t forget that QR had plans to turn Spanair into a long haul carrier and BCN into its hub stationing 15 777s in BCN. The Spanish government cancelled a bridge loan to stop that and spanair collapsed. But the potential is here.


I think it Is unfair to blame the spanish gov. Why on earth any gov. should lean money to a private company?
As u said id QR did not do it ( n for them money it Is not a problem) Is cause they thought there was not any potential in having profits...
 
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Re: Should Air Europa or Iberia try BCN-MIA?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:38 am

JayBCNLON wrote:
BCN has indeed been gaining a lot of momentum with impressive growth rates since I moved here 8 years ago and has attracted high yield carriers such as SQ, CX, KE, CA. All 3 US3 and 2 of the ME3 plus TK fly multiple daily wide body rotations into BCN.

It’s not just cruise traffic and low yield (short- and medium inbound it is, and maybe higher yield traffic was depressed during the crisis until 2 years ago, but now no more).

One of the three Spanish long haul carriers will begin to fly the route. Many Catalans would welcome the option of avoiding MAD. UX and Level are probably viewed more favorably by many Catalans and are therefore the more likely candidates for it.

Don’t forget that QR had plans to turn Spanair into a long haul carrier and BCN into its hub stationing 15 777s in BCN. The Spanish government cancelled a bridge loan to stop that and spanair collapsed. But the potential is here.


Don't forget that Norwegian already flies Barcelona - Fort Lauderdale. Given that Fort Lauderdale is as good as Miami, any airline starting the proposed route will have a tough time competing with Norwegian.

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