caliboy93
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Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:08 pm

I find something very interesting. So first of all I don't drink alcohol, but still I notice that when someone is accused of getting drunk on a plane they get slapped with severe punishments. The same thing happens at sporting events all the time but nothing happens to them. Isn't it weird?
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:17 pm

Airlines: Don't want drunk people
Team owners: Want drunk people

Not weird
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:22 pm

???Huh??? you can be drunk (or high) on a plane and not be "slapped" with punishment. However, if you are the type of drunk that acts like an idiot (violent, mouthy, naked), then you will win stupid prizes.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:24 pm

At sporting events drunk people are no danger, in an airplane they are. They can harm themselves and others. If this happens on the ground, so what? But if this happens in the air you got a serious problem.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:37 pm

I have fond, hazy memories of some long (and even a few short) hauls. Only rule is be on your best behavior. If you're a bad/sloppy drunk, there will be consequences. I pride myself on being a quite refined occasional drunk.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:38 pm

I may enjoy a cocktail once in a while, but generally, I do not drink either. And never when flying. That is simply due to dehydration etc. As mentioned, sports fans, when drunk, usually have to leave the arena if they are a nuisance. If this is a recurring problem, at least some places here in Europe, they can be banned for a certain time period.

On a plane, however, as stated there are several more serious issues that a drunk person can cause. That being said, the news love these headlines such as "The passenger tried to open the door mid-flight". Yes, this does happen, and can be scary for other passengers to see, but in reality it is virtually impossible to do so. To open a door in flight, with the differences in air pressure, it equiv elates to lifting 10000 KG's.

A lot of airlines do have policies that no matter what, a passenger should not be served more than a certain amount of alcohol units. However, passengers tend to drink from their own stuff brought onboard which causes a hefty fine.

A lot of it is also plain old stupidity with the attitude of "I'm on holiday and I want and can do what I want."

Drunk and disorderly passengers will get fined and banned but airlines also want the revenue of onboard sales of alcohol. It is a difficult calculation to make. And boy oh boy, some carriers, especially European IT-charters really promote the onboard sales.

For sports teams, they are a major income. People may get rowdy, but there is a difference between rowdy and down right obnoxious.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:43 pm

Issue is containment. Sporting event or a bar you can remove a person from the situation. You can’t in a plane.
Look at sweatpants guy. This is a 90 million dollar aircraft, not a Tallahassee strip club
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:46 pm

aa87 wrote:
I pride myself on being a quite refined occasional drunk.
Here, here. Lol. I always imagine myself drunk that I project an image of a fella with a monocle and a top hat, but the reality is something far more debased.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:01 pm

Since when is getting drunk on a plane a punishable offense. I do drink alcohol and I've been pretty blitzed on flights before. What is punishable is aggressive or other anti-social behavior and it's heavily punished because the aviation environment is more strictly regulated in general.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:11 pm

I would say this is a biased question along with a misinterpretation of most people's behaviour as a drunk.
I enjoy alcohol not because it is alcohol but appreciate good wine, beer and whiskey. That is part of my upbringing of being a Yorkshire Scot being brought up most of my life in Italy. I have never been violent when being drunk whether on ground at sea or in air. There is a minority of people that get violent when drunk. That is for many different reasons. There are far fewer that get drunk and are violent when flying. Part of this misconception is 24/7 hour news and post-modernism 1st world problems.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:15 pm

"Buying drinks for everybody, but the pilot. Its a party, got this 737 rocking like a G6..."
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:18 pm

molitvic20 wrote:
"Buying drinks for everybody, but the pilot. Its a party, got this 737 rocking like a G6..."


That song was the first thing that came to my head!!
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:20 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
Since when is getting drunk on a plane a punishable offense. I do drink alcohol and I've been pretty blitzed on flights before. What is punishable is aggressive or other anti-social behavior and it's heavily punished because the aviation environment is more strictly regulated in general.


Exactly this. I order double jack and cokes on JetBlue all the time. Sit back, watch tv and relax. I don't get drunk, but I do relax.

I can only guess they don't want heavily intoxicated people on the plane in the event of an emergency. It's a liability thing for the airline.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:37 pm

I've never heard of someone being removed or fined just because they got drunk.

I've heard of lots of people being removed and/or fined because they engaged in dumb behavior while drunk. Given the potential safety consequences of dumb behavior on crowded airplanes, that makes sense.

If you know you can't be a civilized person while drunk, then don't get drunk on an airplane (or before you get on).
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:36 pm

aa87 wrote:
I have fond, hazy memories of some long (and even a few short) hauls. Only rule is be on your best behavior. If you're a bad/sloppy drunk, there will be consequences. I pride myself on being a quite refined occasional drunk.


This is pretty much it. The folks you hear about not behaving while drinking on planes are the same people who cause trouble on the ground. I've worked in bars/nightlife for years and to put it bluntly, some people just aren't very good at keeping their act together when imbiding.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:52 pm

Getting drunk on a plane is a safety hazard to the drunkard and to other passengers. Besides weird behaviour, a drunk can compromise an evacuation, will likely be unable to follow instructions in the event of an emergency, etc. That is the main reason it is in fact illegal to board a plane drunk, and why you aren't able to bring your own booze on board, as the crew will not be able to control your consumption. If you get drunk on what the airline serves you, someone in the crew hasn't been doing their job.

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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:00 pm

Very simple, you can't call the police if someone misbehaves on a plane.So you have to punish/deter people from being stupid.
Drunk people in airplanes could require the plane to land early, leading to more cost (hotel/scheduling fuckup/delay payments) , all things airliners don't look forward to.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:19 pm

Definitely a difference between relaxing or celebrating with a couple cocktails on a flight and getting sloppy and stupid. I still like my cockails on board, but I will say it was a lot more fun back when we could smoke too! I miss those days ;)
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:20 pm

Definitely a difference between relaxing or celebrating with a couple cocktails on a flight and getting sloppy and stupid .. just like when out at a bar. I still like my cocktails on board, but I will say it was a lot more fun back when we could smoke too! I miss those days ;)
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:45 pm

Depends on the type of drunk you are.

I get drunk on planes regularly, but Im a friendly drunk. If youre an jerk or you puke everywhere its a different story. I know how much I can drink and enjoy a nice buzz but not feel sick so I stick with that.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:48 pm

I’ve gotten buzzed to drunk many times on flights. I travel for a living and having a few drinks at the lounge and a few on the flight does wonders for me on a long haul overnight. But I’ve never caused a single issue. I just sit back, eat my meal, drink my drinks, watch my movies, and fall asleep.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:07 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
At sporting events drunk people are no danger, in an airplane they are. They can harm themselves and others. If this happens on the ground, so what? But if this happens in the air you got a serious problem.


Generally no. But you might want to ask the guy I saw get hit in the head by a Jack Daniels bottle at a Atlanta Falcons game a couple of years ago. At least they can be escorted out of the stadium.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:12 am

Sometimes it's the airline that get's in trouble..
Just ask US Airways about what happened when one of their drunk passengers got in a motor vehicle and killed an innocent party.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21837295/ns/t ... _yLTq07mi4
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:10 am

Bruh every first class pax would be service life and the flight attendants would go down for accessory. What are you going on about
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:03 am

Drinking inflight used to be fun and trouble-free. Not anymore. Fighting, big or small, inflight is typical today.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:04 am

Drinking inflight used to be fun and trouble-free. Not anymore. Fighting, big or small, inflight is typical today.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:17 am

Wasn't there a case with America West or USAir in ABQ where the airline was blamed for a drunk driving accident?
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 am

I saw this posting about 4 hours ago and I’m shocked it hasn’t been pulled for a complete waste of bandwidth.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:02 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
At sporting events drunk people are no danger, in an airplane they are. They can harm themselves and others. If this happens on the ground, so what?


I'm guessing you've never been to a Phillies game...
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:14 am

I have never found alcohol served in Y to be of my thing. Champagne in J is fine. If I travel in Y I avoid alcohol at all cost. In J then maybe 2 glasses of champaign fr a 4 hour flight.

As long as people who get drunk don't 'make a thunder' its fine with me. But if they do, it will be a pain in the sweet butt to everyone on board from the captain to the passengers.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:15 am

I have never found alcohol served in Y to be appealing. Champagne in J is fine. If I travel in Y I avoid alcohol at all cost. In J then maybe 2 glasses of champaign fr a 4 hour flight.

As long as people who get drunk don't 'make a thunder' its fine with me. But if they do, it will be a pain in the sweet butt to everyone on board from the captain to the passengers.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:53 am

caliboy93 wrote:
I find something very interesting. So first of all I don't drink alcohol, but still I notice that when someone is accused of getting drunk on a plane they get slapped with severe punishments. The same thing happens at sporting events all the time but nothing happens to them. Isn't it weird?

If someone is drunk on a plane, then someone screwed up and violated an FAR. It's a violation to boar someone who appears to be intoxicated and it's also a violation to serve them enough to make them intoxicated.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:01 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
At sporting events drunk people are no danger, in an airplane they are. They can harm themselves and others. If this happens on the ground, so what? But if this happens in the air you got a serious problem.


That logic does not add up as I have a friend that was seriously injured by a drunk at a sporting event.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:12 am

September11 wrote:
Drinking inflight used to be fun and trouble-free. Not anymore. Fighting, big or small, inflight is typical today.


Disagree here. I fly butt in seat hundreds of thousands of miles each year and have never once witnessed a fight in flight. The reason it seems there’s more nowadays is because everyone has a camera at all times and the news loves hyping anything that happens to/on/involving a plane.
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:56 am

British AirwAys got me quite intoxicated from SFO-LHR, but I’m such a happy drunk that it turned into a party with a few passengers and cabin staff.

I’ll always love them for that.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:06 am

We are all adults who should consume alcohol responsible.

Getting drunk on the plane is no issue. It only becomes an issue you when you start behaving like an idiot and cause an inconvenience to the cabin crew and fellow passengers.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:08 am

enilria wrote:
Airlines: Don't want drunk people
Team owners: Want drunk people

Not weird


Team owners don't want drunks either. That's why there are, for instance, all sorts of restrictions at football games in England. Stateside there have been some pretty well publicized violent attacks involving drunken fans.

silentbob wrote:
If someone is drunk on a plane, then someone screwed up and violated an FAR. It's a violation to boar someone who appears to be intoxicated and it's also a violation to serve them enough to make them intoxicated.


In the United States in many states it's illegal for a bartender to serve an obviously intoxicated person. I'm unsure about other countries but there are similar duties of care in Australia as well. Some Korean restaurant in Sydney made the news a few months ago after getting a women falling down drunk and then leaving her on the sidewalk. That said, over the years I've had no problem getting an FA to overserve me. AC in Y and VX in F particularly come to mind.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:25 am

sixfootscream wrote:
We are all adults who should consume alcohol responsible.

Getting drunk on the plane is no issue. It only becomes an issue you when you start behaving like an idiot and cause an inconvenience to the cabin crew and fellow passengers.


Not necessarily. There are places where alcohol is banned. When people of such places come in contact with alcohol, the over consume it all the time. Seen it with my own eyes.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:37 am

Well some people passed out when they got drunk.

Personally, I prefer horse tranquilizer.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:16 am

I often drink right before boarding or during the first beverage service if I arrive to the gate at boarding. I do it help me fall asleep. Works like a charm. Back in April I flew LAX-MEL which was over 15.5 hrs. Fell asleep after dinner was served and woke up descending over SYD 14 hrs later. My kinda flight.

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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:36 am

Drinking should be kept moderate in public. This goes for flights as well. Just alone out of respect for your fellow passengers. It's a tight space that needs to be shared. It can be hell if you have drunken idiots around you. Beverage service should be limited to non alcoholic drinks if people have had to much. I would even support to deny boarding if people come onboard drunk.

I'm not talking about people that enjoy a glass of wine for dinner or lunch but about guys that drink like half a dozen beers in a short time plus heavier stuff in between, like they want to get drunk. Do this back at your home please.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:20 am

Nothing really related to being (or not...) drunk really. It is the behaviour which is an issue on all cases.
A threatening and/or aggressive behaviour in BOTH circumstances will lead you to severe punishments although they will be applied proportionally to the act and the location. Being charged with drunken aggressive behaviour while in a club or stadium will certainly lead you to a "taxi straight down to your nearest B&B" (f you know what I mean). ON a flight, this is not possible so restrain will be used and you will suffer the punishment once they can offload you.
Like on a flight, where they can deny you boarding if they feel you may be at risk of causing disturbances, try to fly pass a security on a stadium or a bouncer at the entry of a night club being totally smashed and looking for confrontation...
I myself like to have a beer prior to the flight and sometimes with my meal since this slowly drifts me to a nice sleep while flying and never had any issues.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:53 am

johnboy wrote:
British AirwAys got me quite intoxicated from SFO-LHR, but I’m such a happy drunk that it turned into a party with a few passengers and cabin staff.

I’ll always love them for that.


Same here, got shitfaced twice, ironnicaly both time flying solo to NYC on AF and DL and both time had a fantastic time, with random fellow passengers and cabin crew. Once, I landed to find a text message from one of the stewardess telling me to call her maybe. Was so funny to me cause I couldn’t remember handing out my number and also because i’m gay.

Point is the problem is not getting drunk, it’s how you handle your liquor. I know i’m a social and funny drunk (well to a certain point, and I like to think I know my limits).
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:19 pm

I am wriding thezzzze lines in frond ov my gate, will leafe now for Beijing and as allwayss I drank svvvvvvveall Wodka-Irange before boarding.. will complete the job once I am on board so Thad I can sleep... :spin:
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:28 pm

Seriously, I always have some drinks in the lounge and later in the plane. The flights to East Asia often leave at afternoon and in order to adapt quickly to the Asian time zone I try to sleep at 6pm European time in the plane. And alcohol helps... I know, I will get flacked since it’s not healthy.. but it works.

I once said to a FA „I want to sleep, the stronger my drink will be, the less work you will have with me..“ She brought me a Coke-glass full of Wodka... :‘))))
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:29 pm

I have never ever seen someone punished or removed from the plane by being drunk, but so many times seen someone who should be thrown out of the window. Indeed a couple of times I wanted to take a parachute to get out of a very uncomfortable situation.

Today it is not so bad as it used to be when free booze was served in the cattle class, too.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:51 pm

N14AZ wrote:
I am wriding thezzzze lines in frond ov my gate, will leafe now for Beijing and as allwayss I drank svvvvvvveall Wodka-Irange before boarding.. will complete the job once I am on board so Thad I can sleep... :spin:

.... sh€&&xx! We now had a delay because of electrical problems (they had to start the safety video five times..) and we now left the gate with one hour delay. The drinks from the lounge are already digested.. so I have to start all over again... hopefully I have the same FA as described above again ... ;-)

Cheers
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:58 pm

I once had a drunk guy sitting in the row behind me who started to behave violently. Luckily the FA could find another seat for me elsewhere. It was not comfortable to sit so close to the other guy anymore.
Many people seem to have a hidden fear of flying and drink to much hoping to relax. Instead they end up being a pain for everybody else.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:36 pm

zippy wrote:
enilria wrote:
Airlines: Don't want drunk people
Team owners: Want drunk people

Not weird


Team owners don't want drunks either. That's why there are, for instance, all sorts of restrictions at football games in England. Stateside there have been some pretty well publicized violent attacks involving drunken fans.

silentbob wrote:
If someone is drunk on a plane, then someone screwed up and violated an FAR. It's a violation to boar someone who appears to be intoxicated and it's also a violation to serve them enough to make them intoxicated.


In the United States in many states it's illegal for a bartender to serve an obviously intoxicated person. I'm unsure about other countries but there are similar duties of care in Australia as well. Some Korean restaurant in Sydney made the news a few months ago after getting a women falling down drunk and then leaving her on the sidewalk. That said, over the years I've had no problem getting an FA to overserve me. AC in Y and VX in F particularly come to mind.

Keeping people from drinking at English football games doesn't appear to be working too well.

Ok, here's why team owners are different than airlines. Alcohol sales revenue is a MUCH larger revenue stream for sports teams than airlines. Airlines probably ~$1 per passenger on liquor profits. Revenue per passenger is around $300-400. So it's very little and not worth the risk. I'd bet at sporting events they are making $20 per person on alcohol and revenue probably only averages maybe $50-70. Much more reason to be protective of that much revenue.
 
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Re: Getting Drunk on a Plane

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:10 pm

Getting drunk can mean different things. For people with a sense of control it just means feeling good and happy. Others its screaming and acting like a total tool. The latter is never good for a small aluminum tube with 150 plus people crammed into it.

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