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Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:35 pm

I'm writing a 4,000 word paper for my IB Diploma, and I want to discuss the commerical aviation industry and its history. I'm looking for an interesting topic to discuss, and although I have some ideas already listed, I'm interested to see if there are any other ideas people have. Thanks so much for the help!

Possible essay topics
    *What were the key factors from the 1970’s to 1990’s that allowed Airbus to rise to the level of a duopoly with Boeing?
    *What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs?
    *How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?
    *How has the Boeing 787 transitioned aviation away from the hub and spoke model?
    *How did ETOPS regulation damage the A340 program?
    *Why was the American SST/Boeing 2707 never fully developed?
    *Why was the Concorde a failure?
    *Why did the Boeing Subsonic Cruiser never reach production?
    *What were the causes of McDonnell Douglas's demise?
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:43 pm

- Effects of the EU open skies agreement on legacy carriers
- Transformation of networking. from early JV's (NW/KLM) towards alliances and large JVs now.'
- Small hub-and-spoke networks, finding a niche in a saturated market. <-- think Icelandair/WOW Air for example.
- Longhaul LCC, starting with Lakers and comparing it with Norwegian nowadays.

Maybe not the best titles, but might be interesting.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:47 pm

IB is international business?

Some thoughts & topics beyond single aircraft types ...
... introduction of CAD (or 3D-printing for something newer)
... lack of distruptive technology (or is there any?)
... worldwide distributed supply chains - benefits & drawbacks
... working with international teams (particularly Airbus)
... how 737 & A320 as decades old designs can still compete
... what held back the russian industry post-1990
... how Embrear from a developing country became such a success
... wether IP protection & theft is an issue when competing in China
... can protectionism and aviation be successful?
 
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:49 pm

The rise of LCCs in Europe and why the model hasn't taken off in the USA nearly as well.

I'm talking about a range of LCCs too. From Ryanair and Wizz Air to the likes of Norwegian.
 
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:56 pm

Effects of deregulation on US aviation market would be a good one that would be really easy to write many chapters about as there are so many.
 
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:03 pm

FlyRow wrote:
- Transformation of networking. from early JV's (NW/KLM) towards alliances and large JVs now.'


This one tops my list. It strongly feels as though we're on the cusp of the collapse of the traditional alliance model to be replaced with powerful linkages via joint ventures and equity stakes. Carriers like DL are hand-choosing their 'preferred' partners, in SkyTeam or otherwise, and locking them up.
 
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:17 pm

You picked some VERY controvertial subjects.

jwstanly wrote:
*What were the key factors from the 1970’s to 1990’s that allowed Airbus to rise to the level of a duopoly with Boeing?

Those are mostly psychological. Boeing considered Airbus a "thief" in "their" backyard. VERY few real business factors.
jwstanly wrote:
*What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs?

You call 446 DC-10s and 250 L1011s built a "failure"?
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 787 transitioned aviation away from the hub and spoke model?

It didn't. Boeing 787 made absolutely NO change to any aviation model.
jwstanly wrote:
*Why was the American SST/Boeing 2707 never fully developed?

The government didn't want to spend money on anything that couldn't bomb the Soviets. The end. You are 3980 words short.
jwstanly wrote:
*Why was the Concorde a failure?

It wasn't. It flew for 27 years.
jwstanly wrote:
*What were the causes of McDonnell Douglas's demise?

Demise? After buying MDD, Boeing moved to their HQ in Chicago, all Boeing managers and directors were replaced by MDD ones, and Boeing's entire legacy and policies were replaced with those of MDD, including their "who cares!" approach to safety.

In my humble opinion, you are not researching. You are pushing a view on the readers/listeners. Before you observe reasons of an event, you should first prove that the event actually happened. Which wasn't the case in the topics above.

If you need a good topic, look into why aviation in the US is more developed than in other countries while other modes of public transportation are barely getting by. Aviation lobby, airports construction at the public's expense, etc.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:18 pm

aviation in popular culture (film, music, tv, books)
how has social media impacted aviation
women and minorities in aviation
Minneapolis St Paul International Airport: more than just the Larry Craig Bathroom
heros in aviation. who are the ones of today?
a thousand and one ways people mess up saying "Biscoff"
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:02 pm

stlgph wrote:
aviation in popular culture (film, music, tv, books)
how has social media impacted aviation
women and minorities in aviation
Minneapolis St Paul International Airport: more than just the Larry Craig Bathroom
heros in aviation. who are the ones of today?
a thousand and one ways people mess up saying "Biscoff"
Nutella Airlines: a look into the future of air travel


Really... he is not writing a piece for Buzzfeed. some of these proposals is just taking the piss of a very genuine question by the OP.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:22 pm

Aviation accident/safety improvement would be a good (and interesting) commercial aviation essay topic. They were many deadly accidents before year 2000. Some airlines failed because of safety problems.

A good essay question: What impact will a passenger jet crash have on commercial aviation?
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:33 pm

If I take IB to mean International Business, id write something about the history and effects of alliances or the effects of joint ventures on the airline industry.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:38 pm

EDIT: IB is the International Baccalaureate program. It's a high school program, and it's somewhat like AP in the US, but different.

Also, thank yall so much for all the ideas!
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:53 pm

Think outside the box. I did a paper in college (for my International Business Law class) analyzing Open Skies between the US and UAE/Qatar and comparing tried to argue a point that despite the US being a free market economy, that they should re-regulate those air markets using different angles to make my point.

What exactly do you want to do, persuade or explain? The easiest way to write is to pick a topic that interests you.

When I did the aforementioned one, I already had the topic in mind at the beginning of the semester and even told my partner (I didn't want a partner but we had to get one) that I pretty much had it written in my head and would be ok doing everything myself. He actually said that was ok but didnt want to feel like a bum so he gave gave me his study guides for all the tests for the classes we had together. And for some self gloss, we were one of only 2 teams in the class that got an A and our professor really liked the paper and said he'd help us get it published, which I wish I had done.

When you're done with your paper, I'd love to read it and give some pointers and proof it, if you don't mind.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:01 am

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs?

You call 446 DC-10s and 250 L1011s built a "failure"?

Well, Lockheed didn't make money out of the 250 L-1011s they've built. And as for MDC, the DC-10 didn't make money to the point that they couldn't develop a proper successor. Also, neither MDC or Lockheed are making commercial airliners today, so I don't know how you can call the DC-10 & L-1011 a "success"

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.

Disagree completely. If the 747 had no global impact, how is it that Boeing managed to sell over 1,500 747s in 40 years? Surely the 747 has had an impact on operators like BA or QF or SQ or JL/NH. Heck, surely the 747 has had an impact on global airfreight for it to be one of the workhorse of the freighter fleet.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:04 am

jwstanly wrote:
I'm writing a 4,000 word paper for my IB Diploma, and I want to discuss the commerical aviation industry and its history. I'm looking for an interesting topic to discuss, and although I have some ideas already listed, I'm interested to see if there are any other ideas people have. Thanks so much for the help!

Possible essay topics
    *What were the key factors from the 1970’s to 1990’s that allowed Airbus to rise to the level of a duopoly with Boeing?
    *What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs?
    *How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?
    *How has the Boeing 787 transitioned aviation away from the hub and spoke model?
    *How did ETOPS regulation damage the A340 program?
    *Why was the American SST/Boeing 2707 never fully developed?
    *Why was the Concorde a failure?
    *Why did the Boeing Subsonic Cruiser never reach production?
    *What were the causes of McDonnell Douglas's demise?


If you're looking to do your EE on the airline industry, I would stay away from newer topics due to a lack of breadth in chronological study (such as 787/ETOPS topics aforementioned), as well as subjective topics, such as labeling something a failure. In addition, topics like the ETOPS/SST questions above have relatively straightforward investigations, and don't provide the depth of investigation that IB looks for - specifically, varying viewpoints and the ability to present opposing arguments to the same question.

Remember that your topic will evolve over time - at the end, your topic has to be relatively specific in order to earn points for Criterion A and C on the extended essay.

*also, you might want to edit your original post to explain what IB is
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:05 am

I recommend reading Boeing vs Airbus, by John Newhouse. Also, regarding your topics:

*What were the key factors from the 1970’s to 1990’s that allowed Airbus to rise to the level of a duopoly with Boeing? reading the need for a 727 replacement and doing the A320 was IMHO their best play call of all
*What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs? They were eating one another's lunch and Lockheed lost. Also A stole a slice of the pie with the A300, which is what many actually needed.
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel? Drove prices down
*How has the Boeing 787 transitioned aviation away from the hub and spoke model? It hasn't really, arguably the 767 did a better job of that
*How did ETOPS regulation damage the A340 program? Not much. Back in 1986, nobody could do an 80k engine, so the 340 was a quad, which was the right play call then. the Superfan cancellation was a problem, as was Snecma's unwillingness to discount in the late 90s to win orders that went to the 77E because the big 3 were in a bloodbath. At the time, the two were similar on burn, so sole-sourced engines and pricing was a bigger issue
*Why was the American SST/Boeing 2707 never fully developed? Too expensive, lost budget
*Why was the Concorde a failure? Too expensive, plus nimbys
*Why did the Boeing Subsonic Cruiser never reach production? Because it was a dumb idea, nobody was willing to pay more for a 15% time savings
*What were the causes of McDonnell Douglas's demise? Lack of innovation following the McDac merger
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:05 am

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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:09 am

September11 wrote:
Aviation accident/safety improvement would be a good (and interesting) commercial aviation essay topic. They were many deadly accidents before year 2000. Some airlines failed because of safety problems.

A good essay question: What impact will a passenger jet crash have on commercial aviation?


A very easy one with lots of journal articles written about it is on how the emergence of CRM changed the culture at airlines and then the wider world (think medical field). However if the OP is looking for a business related one, then clearly that is not it.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:44 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Well, Lockheed didn't make money out of the 250 L-1011s they've built. And as for MDC, the DC-10 didn't make money to the point that they couldn't develop a proper successor. Also, neither MDC or Lockheed are making commercial airliners today, so I don't know how you can call the DC-10 & L-1011 a "success"

You are mixing up the program success with the company's management of the funds. They sold a large number of examples of their product. That's how success is defined. How they managed the money is not the question.

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Disagree completely. If the 747 had no global impact, how is it that Boeing managed to sell over 1,500 747s in 40 years? Surely the 747 has had an impact on operators like BA or QF or SQ or JL/NH. Heck, surely the 747 has had an impact on global airfreight for it to be one of the workhorse of the freighter fleet.

Again, you are mixing up the cause and the result. It was the rise of the industry that led to 747 sales, not the other way round. Then it was oil glut during the 80-90s that allowed Boeing to sell their outdated dinosaur for another 20 years. I know Boeing fanboys will disagree, but then again, they call 787 a "game changer". Facts are stubborn.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:56 am

I'm currently working on a long article about how Delta fits into its niche in the U.S. aviation market. Perhaps you could choose an airline (either a legacy or startup) and examine how it has changed within its market over the years?
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:58 am

BREECH wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Well, Lockheed didn't make money out of the 250 L-1011s they've built. And as for MDC, the DC-10 didn't make money to the point that they couldn't develop a proper successor. Also, neither MDC or Lockheed are making commercial airliners today, so I don't know how you can call the DC-10 & L-1011 a "success"

You are mixing up the program success with the company's management of the funds. They sold a large number of examples of their product. That's how success is defined. How they managed the money is not the question.

Selling large number of products aren't the only measure of success. Take for example mobile phones - Android phone sales dwarfs the iPhone, but when it comes to share of profits, iPhones come on top. So which is more successful? Surely the one that's more profitable.

BREECH wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Disagree completely. If the 747 had no global impact, how is it that Boeing managed to sell over 1,500 747s in 40 years? Surely the 747 has had an impact on operators like BA or QF or SQ or JL/NH. Heck, surely the 747 has had an impact on global airfreight for it to be one of the workhorse of the freighter fleet.

Again, you are mixing up the cause and the result. It was the rise of the industry that led to 747 sales, not the other way round. Then it was oil glut during the 80-90s that allowed Boeing to sell their outdated dinosaur for another 20 years. I know Boeing fanboys will disagree, but then again, they call 787 a "game changer". Facts are stubborn.

And what drove the rise of the industry? Do you really think the industry would have risen to where they are without the 747? Hardly the case.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:28 am

How has air travel affected the fortunes of "remote" places like Hawaii and Iceland?

How has air freight enabled e-commerce?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:16 am

Airline loyalty programs. There are lots of angles on the history and economics of miles plans, the way partnerships develop with third parties like credit cards and hotels, and the effect on consumer habits.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:19 am

FlyRow wrote:
- Effects of the EU open skies agreement on legacy carriers
- Transformation of networking. from early JV's (NW/KLM) towards alliances and large JVs now.'
- Small hub-and-spoke networks, finding a niche in a saturated market. <-- think Icelandair/WOW Air for example.
- Longhaul LCC, starting with Lakers and comparing it with Norwegian nowadays.

Maybe not the best titles, but might be interesting.

If you do number 2 above DO NOT limit yourself to the words "alliances" or Joint Ventures [JVs], they are much older than the use of those words and much older than the NW/KLM example. In fact an historical study of the development of "airline cooperation schemes" would be a good topic and ending with today's JVs
Some specific examples:
The Qantas/Imperial Airways joint agreement of the early 1930s. Were there any other pre WW II examples?
The British Empire/Commonwealth Airlines revenue sharing agreements post WW II to late 1970s.
The Pan Am/Imperial Airways WWII agreement for trans Atlantic services.

Those are three off the top of my head. Don't forget that most of the rest of the world did not have anti trust type laws until well into the 1970/1980s

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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:28 am

Not sure how much latitude you have in topic choice but if you're interested in safety consider Man, machine, weather. Some of the ideas you've listed are machine related and could consider the safety aspect of each. As for man...CRM (another poster mentioned this already). Also...the exigency of experience and technical (hand flying) skills in commercial aviation safety...is another idea. There are some noteworthy accidents to use in this one. (There are also good saves with Cactus 1549 and SAS 751...and others). And an increase in automation dependency combined with rapid industry growth doesn't bode well for the future of commercial aviation safety. Another idea is the rise of Asian carriers. That topic could periscope many directions. Like a previous poster said, write it on something you're interested in.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:40 am

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*What lead to the failure of the L1011 and DC10 programs?

You call 446 DC-10s and 250 L1011s built a "failure"?


Failure may be too harsh of a word, but 250 L1011s weren't a sucsess either.

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.


There were more 747s than DC-10s and L1011s built combined. It most definitely had a global impact.

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jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 787 transitioned aviation away from the hub and spoke model?

It didn't. Boeing 787 made absolutely NO change to any aviation model.


But it did open opportunity for new long and thin routes.

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*Why was the Concorde a failure?

It wasn't. It flew for 27 years.


Only 14 were used in passenger service, with just two operators. The Concorde was too expensive to fly and maintain, making it unsustainable. It was iconic but definitely a failure.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:51 am

The effect of LCCs on good quality customer experience
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:33 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Selling large number of products aren't the only measure of success. Take for example mobile phones - Android phone sales dwarfs the iPhone, but when it comes to share of profits, iPhones come on top. So which is more successful? Surely the one that's more profitable.

Okay, let's continue your analogy. IBM Thinkpad, remember that? Was it a success? It was sold in huge numbers and for a while was the best-selling laptop brand. Yet, it wasn't profitable for IBM, and they sold it to Lenovo. Now it brings lots of money to Lenovo, but is it as popular? So is it a success?

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And what drove the rise of the industry? Do you really think the industry would have risen to where they are without the 747? Hardly the case.

Yes, I do. The indistry existed and was extremely profitable long before the first 747 was built. Actually, it was PanAm's Juan Tripp who made the 747 possible by ordering 25 of them from Boeing. If he didn't, 747 would never even exist. All 747 did was replace the VALUE with VOLUME. Airlines got the same money but from more passengers, thus removing the risk associated with the fickle rich.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:34 am

There are also some really interesting angles about pilots. Training requirements, working conditions at regionals, potential shortages, etc. You could also write about pros and cons of fully automated or remotely piloted aircraft.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:39 am

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Failure may be too harsh of a word, but 250 L1011s weren't a sucsess either.

Yes, it was. In today's world where airlines order planes by hundreds it seems a small number, but back in the day 250 planes sold was a success. Look at the numbers of other manufacturers.

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There were more 747s than DC-10s and L1011s built combined. It most definitely had a global impact.

I'm sorry, how is selling more than others proves global impact?

jwstanly wrote:
But it did open opportunity for new long and thin routes.

The opportunity that by then had been kept open for decades by A330. 787 was a quarter-of-a-century-late attempt to counter that success. And if we use your own logic and consider the costs of development, a failed attempt, too.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:14 am

I wrote a 5,000 word essay for my EPQ in the spring on the following question:

"How do United Airlines build America's leading route network?"
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:24 am

In which subject are you doing your EE? To get a good grade for an EE in the IB, you have to meet the general criteria plus subject-specific criteria that vary from subject to subject. You can't just pluck an essay title and use it randomly for any subject. If you can share which subject your EE will fall into, it would be easier to give sound advice on topic selection.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:29 am

FlyRow wrote:
- Effects of the EU open skies agreement on legacy carriers
- Transformation of networking. from early JV's (NW/KLM) towards alliances and large JVs now.'
- Small hub-and-spoke networks, finding a niche in a saturated market. <-- think Icelandair/WOW Air for example.
- Longhaul LCC, starting with Lakers and comparing it with Norwegian nowadays.

Maybe not the best titles, but might be interesting.

If you do number 2 above DO NOT limit yourself to the words "alliances" or Joint Ventures [JVs], they are much older than the use of those words and much older than the NW/KLM example. In fact an historical study of the development of "airline cooperation schemes" would be a good topic and ending with today's JVs
Some specific examples:
The Qantas/Imperial Airways joint agreement of the early 1930s. Were there any other pre WW II examples?
The British Empire/Commonwealth Airlines revenue sharing agreements post WW II to late 1970s.
The Pan Am/Imperial Airways WWII agreement for trans Atlantic services.

Those are three off the top of my head. Don't forget that most of the rest of the world did not have anti trust type laws until well into the 1970/1980s

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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:15 pm

BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.


What a quaint idea.

As of 31/10/2018, 1568 747's of all types have been ordered. Of this total, only 364 (23%) were sold in North America, including Canada.

If only US air travel was impacted by the 747, why were the vast major of 747's ordered by non-US airlines? In fact, many US airlines who ordered 747's initially, such as American, Delta and Continental, soon discontinued use of the type.

Conversely, the 747 was the mainstay of long haul flights for decades at Air France, British Airways, Japan Airlines, Lufthansa, QANTAS and Singapore Airlines.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:17 pm

OldAeroGuy wrote:
BREECH wrote:
jwstanly wrote:
*How has the Boeing 747 impacted global air travel?

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.


What a quaint idea.

As of 31/10/2018, 1568 747's of all types have been ordered. Of this total, only 364 (23%) were sold in North America, including Canada.

If only US air travel was impacted by the 747, why were the vast major of 747's ordered by non-US airlines? In fact, many US airlines who ordered 747's initially, such as American, Delta and Continental, soon discontinued use of the type.

Conversely, the 747 was the mainstay of long haul flights for decades at Air France, British Airways, Japan Airlines, Lufthansa, QANTAS and Singapore Airlines.

Okay, one last time. The industry grew and required larger planes. NOT "Boeing 747 appeared and suddenly everyone wanted to fly". And AGAIN, it was the industry that drove the appearance of 747, NOT the other way round. Airline industry had been in VERY profitable existence for 50 years before Boeing even started to design the 747. And it would be just fine with or without it.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:06 pm

BREECH wrote:
OldAeroGuy wrote:
BREECH wrote:

Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel. Its "global impact" only exists in the minds of Boeing historians.


What a quaint idea.

As of 31/10/2018, 1568 747's of all types have been ordered. Of this total, only 364 (23%) were sold in North America, including Canada.

If only US air travel was impacted by the 747, why were the vast major of 747's ordered by non-US airlines? In fact, many US airlines who ordered 747's initially, such as American, Delta and Continental, soon discontinued use of the type.

Conversely, the 747 was the mainstay of long haul flights for decades at Air France, British Airways, Japan Airlines, Lufthansa, QANTAS and Singapore Airlines.

Okay, one last time. The industry grew and required larger planes. NOT "Boeing 747 appeared and suddenly everyone wanted to fly". And AGAIN, it was the industry that drove the appearance of 747, NOT the other way round. Airline industry had been in VERY profitable existence for 50 years before
Boeing even started to design the 747. And it would be just fine with or without it.


One more time. The error in your original statement is "Boeing 747 only changed the US air travel."

You are over looking the fact that the 747 introduced a new technology, i.e. the High Bypass engine to commercial aviation. With a 5:1 bypass ratio, the JT9D was a step change relative to the JT3D 1.42:1 bypass ratio. This enabled the significant 747 payload-range increase relative to the 707/DC8/VC10 payload-range capabilities.

The international commercial airline industry quickly recognized the advantages of the High Bypass engines, limiting the market for low bypass engine airplanes. This kicked off new designs (DC-10, L1011 etc) and lead to a world wide long range airplane replacement cycle.

Being the first High Bypass engine commercial airplane, the 747 impacted the international airline industry, not just US air travel.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:56 pm

BREECH wrote:
Okay, one last time. The industry grew and required larger planes. NOT "Boeing 747 appeared and suddenly everyone wanted to fly". And AGAIN, it was the industry that drove the appearance of 747, NOT the other way round. Airline industry had been in VERY profitable existence for 50 years before Boeing even started to design the 747. And it would be just fine with or without it.


Personally, I think its the other way around. There's a reason why airline producers like Boeing and Airbus constantly consult with airlines before producing airplanes... industry trends control how airplanes are produced, not the other way around. To think airplanes are carelessly produced without reading the market is silly. Obviously, the Boeing 747 was created after consulting with airlines (Like Trippe and Pan Am) and understanding industry trends. What made the Boeing 747 so successful was its ability to answer that market so effectively with such a high caliber product. Although the industry was expanding and everything was just right, Boeing answered the industry almost perfectly, which makes the 747 an amazing product. Not every plane does this.

Look at the A380. It's definitely an impressive plane, don't get me wrong, but it fails in today's market. Under your argument, the A380 in order to be a "successful" plane would need to have changed how the airline industry works, which clearly it hasnt. Planes don't create the commercial aviation industry, the airlines and industry trends do. In fact, the A380 is considered unsuccessful by most due to its poor ability to answer current market trends, not necessarily because of the airplane's performance or specs. For the few niche carriers that actually need a plane as large as the A380 (Emirates), they are loving it, but for the rest of the industry, the A380 is unusable. Because most airliners dislike the A380 (even if some love it), overall for Airbus it's not financially successful, despite being a magnificent plane specs wise.
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:08 pm

jwstanly wrote:
Look at the A380. It's definitely an impressive plane, don't get me wrong, but it fails in today's market.

Does it? Let's compare simplest numbers. The passenger Boeing sold 400 747-400s plus 47 747-8s (most of which were sold under cost) in 20 years. Airbus sold 319 A380s in 10. That's 22 planes a year for Boeing vs. 31 for Airbus. Do you want me to compare 747-8 vs. A380 sales during the time A380 was on the market? Here: 47 "jumbos" vs. 319 "Supers". Market failure you say? Mind you, the breakeven number for Airbus was 270 planes. The company gained incredible experience, returned the investment and cemented its reputation as an undisputed leader in innovation, manufacturing and marketing. How is that "fails in today's market"?
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:22 pm

A lot of people scared of flying so in your essay you can write about modern technologies which were used in aircraft and about safety. As I know it is more dangerous using a car, bus or train than aircraft. Also, there are many advantages and disadvantages of using aircraft and the main advantage is time. It is much faster than using vehicles or train.
 
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Re: Interesting Subjects for an Essay on Commercial Aviation?

Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 am

Open skies, corruptions in government airlines like Air India, PIA, an etc.

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