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Airports with service to all 6 LON airports?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:23 pm

LON has 6 airports (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, SEN and LCY). Are there any airports with service to all 6 of them?

CPH has 4 and next year 5 when FR starts SEN, only LCY is missing. What airports do better than CPH?
 
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Re: Airports with service to all 6 LON airports?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:28 pm

KEF has all but SEN.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:29 pm

DUB & BUD have service to all 6.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:31 pm

Malaga?
British Airways to LHR, LGW, LCY and STN
easyJet to LGW, LTN, STN and SEN
Ryanair to STN, SEN and LTN
Jet2 to STN
as well as Thomas Cook and TUI services.

Also off the top of my head- Ibiza, Amsterdam, Budapest and Dublin.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:32 pm

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Re: Airports with service to all 6 LON airports?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:33 pm

How about Dublin.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:35 pm

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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:36 pm

EDI or GLA ?????
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Jutlander wrote:
LON has 6 airports (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, SEN and LCY). Are there any airports with service to all 6 of them?

CPH has 4 and next year 5 when FR starts SEN, only LCY is missing. What airports do better than CPH?

Southend, is not, in any way shape or form, outwith the crazed imagination of the marketing team, a London airport.
No one in the M25 would even think of SEN in those terms. Arguably SOU is a better option for London than SEN.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:53 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Southend, is not, in any way shape or form, outwith the crazed imagination of the marketing team, a London airport.

Well, and outwith the crazed imagination of the UK Government and IATA, of course.
Seriously, SEN is 41 miles from Central London (3 miles more than Stansted) SOU is 78 miles. They both have rail stations with service to Central London.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Jutlander wrote:
LON has 6 airports (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, SEN and LCY). Are there any airports with service to all 6 of them?

CPH has 4 and next year 5 when FR starts SEN, only LCY is missing. What airports do better than CPH?


Technically only 2 airports are in London. All others may serve London but are not in London :)
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:08 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Southend, is not, in any way shape or form, outwith the crazed imagination of the marketing team, a London airport.
No one in the M25 would even think of SEN in those terms. Arguably SOU is a better option for London than SEN.


That's the way Luton started as well. Today nobody would have any doubt that Luton is a London airport, but it hasn't always been that way. Originally it was built for the city of Luton, but for marketing reasons it was called London Luton airport. And so it became an official London airport.

The distance between London and Luton and between London and Southend is similar, you might wonder why it took Southend so long to market itself as a London airport. It's simply going the way Luton has gone in the past. In fact, due to the fact that there's a railway station literally at the airport Southend is more convenient for getting to London than Luton. Sure Luton has a railway station as well, but it's a bit further away from the airport.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:10 pm

airbazar wrote:
Technically only 2 airports are in London. All others may serve London but are not in London :)


That's nothing uncommon, thousands of cities got their airports outside the city. The examples are endless. As long as a city is served by a certain airport, it's an airport for that city. It doesn't matter if the airport is inside or outside the city.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:16 pm

FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:16 pm

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AMS i think does have them all as well as SOU!
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:17 pm

Technically there's a 7th London airport, that's Biggin Hill (BHQ). However it doesn't see any airline service, only general aviation / business jets. There's 6 London airports that see airline service.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:27 pm

santos wrote:
FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)


I thought of all theses too. I never understood what's the reason to connect purely leisure/holiday resorts in Spain to London-City?
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:28 pm

SEN is not a London Airport...!

Do you remember when FR used to sell CPH tickets, but they flew into MMX....?

Marketing tricks .
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:43 pm

a350lover wrote:
santos wrote:
FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)


I thought of all theses too. I never understood what's the reason to connect purely leisure/holiday resorts in Spain to London-City?



Targeting 2nd home owners on weekends away perhaps, plus a big catchment area.

I did read somewhere that in the summer is 50/50 on leisure and biz pax
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:50 pm

a350lover wrote:
santos wrote:
FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)


I thought of all theses too. I never understood what's the reason to connect purely leisure/holiday resorts in Spain to London-City?


In the summer season the business traffic drops at LCY - so BACF utilise the fleet by operating a mixture of leisure destinations in Spain/Greece etc while reducing the frequencies on their bread and butter routes while the demand for them is low.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:56 pm

AAMDanny wrote:
a350lover wrote:
santos wrote:
FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)


I thought of all theses too. I never understood what's the reason to connect purely leisure/holiday resorts in Spain to London-City?


In the summer season the business traffic drops at LCY - so BACF utilise the fleet by operating a mixture of leisure destinations in Spain/Greece etc while reducing the frequencies on their bread and butter routes while the demand for them is low.


Thanks for the insight. I was being too simplistic maybe "overestimating" the business non-stop 365 days-a-year at London City. Obviously, it had to have a weaker point in summer.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:35 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
SEN is not a London Airport...!

Do you remember when FR used to sell CPH tickets, but they flew into MMX....?

Marketing tricks .


Except that the IATA does consider Southend a London airport, so in this case it's not a marketing trick. It's official, on paper, black and white. And not only the IATA considers it a London airport, the city of London does as well.

Indeed Ryanair does market several "further away" airports after larger cities nearby. Sometimes those airports are officially linked to those cities by the IATA, sometimes they aren't.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:46 pm

I worked as a marketing analyst for long enough, I know exactly how it works and how we do this LOL.
It still amazes me we get away with it
The difference with Southend-on-Sea is the latter part of the name. It’s on the freaking coast, LTN and STN have a radius catchment area of air breathers, 50% of SEN’s catchment radius has gills. :)

SEN has struggled to build medium term stability. It pulled part of the EZY STN operation across, but the likes of EDI and GLA, strong core routes just don’t work well. We shall see what FR manage.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:48 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
SEN is not a London Airport...!

Do you remember when FR used to sell CPH tickets, but they flew into MMX....?

Marketing tricks .


Except that the IATA does consider Southend a London airport, so in this case it's not a marketing trick. It's official, on paper, black and white. And not only the IATA considers it a London airport, the city of London does as well.

Indeed Ryanair does market several "further away" airports after larger cities nearby. Sometimes those airports are officially linked to those cities by the IATA, sometimes they aren't.

Please show me how “the City of London considers SEN a London airport”. The City as in the square mile wouldn’t lower themselves to use LGW on a good day, that’s why LCY has all them Gold card holders.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:01 pm

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Please show me how “the City of London considers SEN a London airport”. The City as in the square mile wouldn’t lower themselves to use LGW on a good day, that’s why LCY has all them Gold card holders.


https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-i ... irport-map

It obviously lists Southend as a London airport. It's on the map and if you scroll down to "More ideas" it's listed there too. If you click on it it takes you to a page saying "Find information on how to travel to and from London’s newest airport, and where to stay nearby."
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:08 pm

AAMDanny wrote:
a350lover wrote:
santos wrote:
FAO, AGP, PMI, IBZ, MAH(soon ending from LHR)


I thought of all theses too. I never understood what's the reason to connect purely leisure/holiday resorts in Spain to London-City?


In the summer season the business traffic drops at LCY - so BACF utilise the fleet by operating a mixture of leisure destinations in Spain/Greece etc while reducing the frequencies on their bread and butter routes while the demand for them is low.


LCY to AGP, IBZ and PMI are in fact year-round. LCY-IBZ is 6 weekly even now in deep winter season.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:10 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Please show me how “the City of London considers SEN a London airport”. The City as in the square mile wouldn’t lower themselves to use LGW on a good day, that’s why LCY has all them Gold card holders.


https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-i ... irport-map

It obviously lists Southend as a London airport. It's on the map and if you scroll down to "More ideas" it's listed there too. If you click on it it takes you to a page saying "Find information on how to travel to and from London’s newest airport, and where to stay nearby."

Marketing BS. Tis my day job. X

Also it clearly says “FIVE major London airports”. I think we agree that the 6th is fake
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:44 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
SEN is not a London Airport...!


Who cares (other than you and skipness1E)? It is marketed as a London airport and it is not the worst option if you want to travel to London. So for this thread it should be ok, even if you know it so much better.


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Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:50 pm

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Technically there's a 7th London airport, that's Biggin Hill (BHQ). However it doesn't see any airline service, only general aviation / business jets. There's 6 London airports that see airline service.


We counted it up on here a couple of years ago, and I recall we came to 10 London airports (those claiming to be London) e.g. London Ashford Airport (Lydd) and London Oxford Airport ("London Oxford Airport is the Thames Valley area’s primary regional and business aviation airport" - from their website)

I think Manston may have been one of the 10, so perhaps it is down to 9 now.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:01 pm

No one mentioned LIS yet. All but SEN...

I know some people who would not mind using SEN over Gatwick...

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GCT64 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Technically there's a 7th London airport, that's Biggin Hill (BHQ). However it doesn't see any airline service, only general aviation / business jets. There's 6 London airports that see airline service.


We counted it up on here a couple of years ago, and I recall we came to 10 London airports (those claiming to be London) e.g. London Ashford Airport (Lydd) and London Oxford Airport ("London Oxford Airport is the Thames Valley area’s primary regional and business aviation airport" - from their website)

I think Manston may have been one of the 10, so perhaps it is down to 9 now.

If we’re gonna play this game we can add Farnborough & Northolt too?.......
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:06 pm

eicvd wrote:
GCT64 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Technically there's a 7th London airport, that's Biggin Hill (BHQ). However it doesn't see any airline service, only general aviation / business jets. There's 6 London airports that see airline service.


We counted it up on here a couple of years ago, and I recall we came to 10 London airports (those claiming to be London) e.g. London Ashford Airport (Lydd) and London Oxford Airport ("London Oxford Airport is the Thames Valley area’s primary regional and business aviation airport" - from their website)

I think Manston may have been one of the 10, so perhaps it is down to 9 now.

If we’re gonna play this game we can add Farnborough & Northolt too?.......


I don't think either of those brand themselves as "London .... " I just checked the Farnborough website and it doesn't. Northolt would, of course, have 100% more legitimacy than Lydd at being a London airport :-)
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:07 pm

Jutlander wrote:
LON has 6 airports (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, SEN and LCY). Are there any airports with service to all 6 of them?

CPH has 4 and next year 5 when FR starts SEN, only LCY is missing. What airports do better than CPH?


Below is the full list for 2018:

MAH
GLA
PRG
AGP
GVA
AMS
PMI
DUB
FAO
IBZ

There are 14 origins who served 5 of 6 in 2018:

MLA
BCN
NCE
TFS
EDI
VIE
MXP
LIS
FCO
LYS
SOF
BUD
MJV
KEF
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:12 pm

Andy33 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Southend, is not, in any way shape or form, outwith the crazed imagination of the marketing team, a London airport.

Well, and outwith the crazed imagination of the UK Government and IATA, of course.
Seriously, SEN is 41 miles from Central London (3 miles more than Stansted) SOU is 78 miles. They both have rail stations with service to Central London.


BHX also has direct rail services to central London! :lol:
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Duplicate post, please delete.
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:15 pm

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BHX also has direct rail services to central London! :lol:


As does Charles de Gaulle. However those airports don't market themselves as London airports, they got other large cities nearby that they primary serve.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:20 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
BHX also has direct rail services to central London! :lol:


As does Charles de Gaulle. However those airports don't market themselves as London airports, they got other large cities nearby that they primary serve.


I'm in agreement, just thought it was quite funny :P
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IndyHoosier wrote:
DUB & BUD have service to all 6.

I am embarrassed. I am BUD based and did not know this.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:14 pm

GCT64 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Technically there's a 7th London airport, that's Biggin Hill (BHQ). However it doesn't see any airline service, only general aviation / business jets. There's 6 London airports that see airline service.


I think Manston may have been one of the 10, so perhaps it is down to 9 now.


No, Manston was grandly named Kent International Airport - I think the sign was longer than the runway!
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:20 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
BHX also has direct rail services to central London! :lol:


As does Charles de Gaulle. However those airports don't market themselves as London airports, they got other large cities nearby that they primary serve.


Except that the point isn't as laughable as you just tried to make it. The faster trains from BHX to Euston only take around 1h15. That's only around 20 minutes slower than what you'll see from SEN to Liverpool Street. From many parts of the London area, BHX would indeed be faster, especially given train frequency.

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