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Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:56 pm

It seems that all the new deliveries of airlines are below wing engines, with the exception of ATRs, DH-8s and any of the CRJs, I was wondering, who has the largest T-Tail fleets?

From a U.S. perspective, I assume Delta would be the largest with the 717s leased from WN and the MD90s/88s. From a regional perspective, I would assume it is OO, but not sure.

Now, given that multiple regionals fly with multiple majors, who among the majors has the largest number of T-Tails in their regional fleets? It seems that they are becoming a smaller and smaller number as all the new e-jets and the A220 are below wing.

What is the situation outside the U.S. for T-Tails? Just curious as it seems the newer aircraft that are replacing T-Tails, there are fewer and fewer to go around...
 
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:59 pm

caflyboy wrote:
It seems that all the new deliveries of airlines are below wing engines, with the exception of ATRs, DH-8s and any of the CRJs, I was wondering, who has the largest T-Tail fleets?

From a U.S. perspective, I assume Delta would be the largest with the 717s leased from WN and the MD90s/88s. From a regional perspective, I would assume it is OO, but not sure.

Now, given that multiple regionals fly with multiple majors, who among the majors has the largest number of T-Tails in their regional fleets? It seems that they are becoming a smaller and smaller number as all the new e-jets and the A220 are below wing.

What is the situation outside the U.S. for T-Tails? Just curious as it seems the newer aircraft that are replacing T-Tails, there are fewer and fewer to go around...


Do you count Fokkers as T-tails? Then one of the Aussie airlines might count.

QantasLink has 17 F100's and 20 B7171's + Q300/400's if you count them as T-Tails.

Makes a total of 81 T-tails in that way.
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:08 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Why don't you provide a few websites to assist others in looking up the data? I do not know any websites on top of my head.


Wikipedia is a decent source to get a general idea, although it does get out of date.

My guess is that when factoring together mainline and regional for the US3, you'd end up with:
1) DL - CR2s, CR7s, CR9s, 717s, M88s, and M90s
2) AA - ERDs, ER4s, CR2s, CR7s, CR9s, M82/83s
3) UA - ER4s, CR2s, CR7s

DL would have the largest average size of T-tailed aircraft as they have fewer 50-seaters and more mainline T-tails than the others, and UA would have the smallest average size as they have by far the most 50-seaters and no mainline T-tails. AA would be in the middle, with plenty of regional T-tails even though the Super 80s are dwindling.
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:29 am

Whoa nelly.

SkyWest has the largest fleet of T-Tails; 316 CRJ family ;) (per Wikipedia numbers).
 
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:32 am

Airfleets.net is a pretty good source for what you're looking for.
It appears to me that Delta is the T-tail leader, mainline-wise.
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:23 am

What a great forum this has become. Someone brings a discussion to the table, and the first reply is one of rudest replies I’ve seen on this forum. Long gone are the ‘good ol days’ of airliners.

Anyway Flybe I can imagine would appear on the list somewhere with around 60 T-Tail aircraft, using both DH8’s and ATR’s.
 
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:41 am

Jazz is definitely up there. Their entire 116 aircraft fleet is entirely made up of T-tails.
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:49 am

Thank you for those that want to contribute to the discussion. Thanks for the planespooter link, which I used. I then crossed referenced with airlines websites. The only issue is with regionals that fly for multiple partners and there is no breakdown of who gets what, i.e.gojet. I know TSA is being phased out at AA, but are those birds going to UA? The others are relatively easy to split because there is a breakdown. Of course airline web sites vs. planespotters vs. reality have different numbers. Which source would you recommend as the most accurate?
 
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:43 pm

Since two posters are concerned and assumed there was no research done, perhaps they should look and see that it has been done is has several discrepancies which prompted the question to begin with. Looking at Wiki, the airlines (and parent airline) website and financials, and looking at Planspotters the following is where there are discrepancies:

Air Wisconsin: 65 0r 63 CRJs for United?
Commutair: 30+31 ERJs for United or 27 ERJs for United?
Endeavor: 42 or 46 CRJs for Delta?
Envoy:19 CR7s or 0 for American? 19 or 40 or 0 ER4s for American? 70+15 ERJs or 0 for American?
ExpressJet: 105 0r 113 ERjs for United? 10+10CRJs for United or 0? 11-6 or 32 CR7s for American?
GoJet: 22 or 21 CR7s for Delta? (pretty close)
Mesa: 1 or 0 CRJ for American? (pretty close)
PSA: 43 or 45+16 CR7 for American? 54+15 CR9 or 54 CR9 for American? (pretty close and order for which?)
Skywest: 34 extra CRJs? Are these all stored or placed? 2 extra CR7s spares or stored?
Transstates: 46 ERjs or 15-15 at American and 38 at United?

The differences sway who has the larger T-Tail fleets at the majors.
 
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Re: Biggest T-Tail Fleets

Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:25 am

Interesting stuff, for sure. There is one T-Tail aircraft that I miss, the Boeing 727.

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