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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:53 pm

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I checked out as FO for AA on the 762 in late 1985. The oldest would have been a mere 2-3 years old and we only had a dozen or so straight 200s, no ERs and well before the entrance of the 300ER. The first class I remember had the first class barber chair, one all by itself in the middle with two rows of two on either side as depicted on the 9 seat diagram. They were all three class configured and only held about 150 or so seats. Besides flying the occasional SFO-JFK flight I flew mainly SFO-ORD. I checked out while TDY to JFK flying transcons to SFO and SAN. With so few airframes we didn't do many routes. The taupe leather seats was what I remembered. I will try to find some pictures of the cabin interior if I can. While it was not a true widebody by fuselage width standards (vs the DC10) it was a beautiful airplane to fly.


Yeah by 1985, they had the IFS on the DC10 and 762. But they also still had a standard version of both with 2-2-2 first on the 762.
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I've never seen the 762 with the original 2-1-2 layout. I would die if you had a picture because I always wondered if it had the 5 tuft sheepskin like the DC10, or the 4 tuft sheepskin like the later 763(which was taupe)/747sp(which was blue). Do you recall if coach was the alternating beige/blue like the DC10, or if it was all blue?

I have only seen this photo from 1992 when they redid the cabins on the 762s and dc10s to have the new Webber seats
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:31 pm

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N649DL wrote:
With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types:

4. A300: A few of the Airbuses got PTVs as they were allocated to LHR flights from the East Coast and them subsequently removed. The rest of the fleet got newer seat covers around 2005-2006 same deal as the 757.


Do any pictures exist of the A300 cabin with PTVs? I’ve never seen them. Also, I thought I read a long long time ago that a few of the newest 763s had PTVs for a short while, though they were removed shortly after. Is this accurate?


Found this one from the press. Nothing I could find from AA.
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Super cool to see, thanks so much. Seems like a lot of effort to reconfigure the entire aircraft with IFE and then rip it out a few years later... very odd decision making in terms of cabin reconfigs.
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:41 pm

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The newest batch of 763s (delivered around 2003) came with the the equipment/wiring necessary for PTVs installed IIRC, along with the remote control for the IFE at every seat, with the actual screens to be installed at a later date. No PTVs were ever installed, however.

I was always perplexed why they chose to install the units on the A300s but not the 763s. Combined with the adjustable headrests, the Y cabin on the IFS A300 must have really been considered modern/innovative during the late 1990s.


I've done a deep dive for PTVs photos on the AA A300 on the internet, and I'm convinced that's the only photo out there of this configuration that you'll be able to find. Even the seat cover patterns were different from the new seats that AA was installing on the 738 / 762 / 763 / S80 at the time in Y. You wouldn't even think initially that it's AA until you see the kid wearing the AA branded headphones in the photo. Even the PTVs they installed in Y were different (and larger) than what they installed on the 777. So yes, pretty darn innovative and a shame they eventually removed them when they pulled they off TATL routes.

IIRC, I might've read somewhere that the A300s got PTVs installed firsthand because there were delays in 777 deliveries or something. If it wasn't that, there was some specific reason for it as to why they did so. Also, I think there were plans to put PTVs on all AA 763s but that got cancelled after 9/11.



I think you're right that aa installed this cabin as a temporary stop gap for 777 delays. It all makes sense. This was also when the A300 got the international first class with lambswool Weber sleepers. This all lasted very briefly though and when the initial 772s were delivered with the lie fiat seats (not the swivel seats yet), they put the A300 back to the standard config including the double bar coach blue cloth and Weber leather first.

I have another thread going about how aa did something similar with their initial 747 deliveries. The upper deck was briefly state rooms and it was the astroliner. There is only 1 photo in existence of that deck and 2 models. It only lasted 8 months before they changed them to the luxury liners and overhauled the upper deck to become a lounge (the one plastered all over the advertising).

Here is the Aztec on the atr. And I have seen seats from the md82, and dc10 covered in it (they're in this thread on an earlier page). I believe it was a brief experiment which they undid.

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This was the 777 delivery cabin which was also brief before they redid it
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They have a proclivity to change certain cabins very quickly it seems.


Thanks for this. Believe it or not, AA was well into receiving 777 deliveries in 2000-2001 and yet kept the TATL A306s active for a little while longer. They were definitely flying EWR-LHR on the A300 in Spring 2001.

Also check out this AA seating map for the 777 in 9/2001: http://www.departedflights.com/AA7770901.html

It seems the swivel First Class seats were on Transatlantic routes and the other "pod" 2-2-2 First Cass seats were designated for Transpacific. This was back when AA planned to launch SJC-TPE and was also flying SEA-NRT and SJC-NRT on 777s.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:44 pm

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Do any pictures exist of the A300 cabin with PTVs? I’ve never seen them. Also, I thought I read a long long time ago that a few of the newest 763s had PTVs for a short while, though they were removed shortly after. Is this accurate?


Found this one from the press. Nothing I could find from AA.
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Super cool to see, thanks so much. Seems like a lot of effort to reconfigure the entire aircraft with IFE and then rip it out a few years later... very odd decision making in terms of cabin reconfigs.


It may have just been a test of sorts. That is common in the industry for them to try things out briefly. Although AA has a track record of these quick and not well documented cabins throughout the years. It is rather interesting to say the least. There are some common names though like Teague, and Weber who they were loyal to for some time.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm

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It seems the swivel First Class seats were on Transatlantic routes and the other "pod" 2-2-2 First Cass seats were designated for Transpacific. This was back when AA planned to launch SJC-TPE and was also flying SEA-NRT and SJC-NRT on 777s.


Yup. They actually did commence service on the SJC-TPE route, but it was quickly abandoned. I think right after 9/11.

The Flagship Suites were primarily used on the transatlantic flights, but not exclusively. When ORD-PVG launched, they used Flagship Suite aircraft, albeit with substitutions from time-to-time. IIRC, DFW-KIX was also typically operated with Flagship Suite aircraft.

Also have several JFK-LHR and LHR-BOS flights on Pacific configuration aircraft.

I was very happy when the Pacific congifuration went away and I no longer had to plan flights with this in mind.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm

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It seems the swivel First Class seats were on Transatlantic routes and the other "pod" 2-2-2 First Cass seats were designated for Transpacific. This was back when AA planned to launch SJC-TPE and was also flying SEA-NRT and SJC-NRT on 777s.


Yup. They actually did commence service on the SJC-TPE route, but it was quickly abandoned. I think right after 9/11.

The Flagship Suites were primarily used on the transatlantic flights, but not exclusively. When ORD-PVG launched, they used Flagship Suite aircraft, albeit with substitutions from time-to-time. IIRC, DFW-KIX was also typically operated with Flagship Suite aircraft.

Also have several JFK-LHR and LHR-BOS flights on Pacific configuration aircraft.

I was very happy when the Pacific congifuration went away and I no longer had to plan flights with this in mind.


In 2001 AA also still had the M11s around. I think they were allocated all over the place before they were retired such as MIA/DFW to South America (no specific region).

Another theory could be that AA wasn't completely sure pre-9/11 what they wanted to do with TWA's aging 767-200/300ER fleet and wanted to keep all legacy AA long haul variants around for additional options (until they could figure out what they wanted to do). This was another factor as to why they got new 763 deliveries in 2003 as they replaced the ex-TWA 763s.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:57 am

AA once had two 777 configurations:

-The Pacific configuration that had the "Coffin" flat bed F seats, Exit signage in Japanese, and a larger J cabin IIRC
-The Atlantic configuration had the Flagship swivel seats and a smaller J cabin (I may be getting this mixed up, but I know one had a larger J cabin)
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:15 pm

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AA once had two 777 configurations:

-The Pacific configuration that had the "Coffin" flat bed F seats, Exit signage in Japanese, and a larger J cabin IIRC
-The Atlantic configuration had the Flagship swivel seats and a smaller J cabin (I may be getting this mixed up, but I know one had a larger J cabin)

Yeah but the coffin design seats were the initial deliveries. Then they started taking delivery of the flagship suites with swivel seats maybe a year later and it was pretty much industry exclusive at the time for a US airline to have that cool seat setup. You could even swivel it and eat facing your seat mate. I think at that point they put them on different routes.

But we're getting off topic here. The point of this thread is to determine what the initial 767 coach cabin was like. All blue or alternating like the DC10?
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:42 pm

Not sure what happened here. I posted a very long post with an update and it literally disappeared the next day. Are moderators randomly deleting posts now?
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:05 pm

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I came across this photo of one of the original AA 757 cabins from the late 80s. If this had the 2 tone, it seems clear the 767 did as well 5 years earlier.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:02 pm

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Not sure what happened here. I posted a very long post with an update and it literally disappeared the next day. Are moderators randomly deleting posts now?


I wouldn’t be surprised. Since around 3 months ago they hVe just been deleting anything they don’t like.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:52 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
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I came across this photo of one of the original AA 757 cabins from the late 80s. If this had the 2 tone, it seems clear the 767 did as well 5 years earlier.


I definitely recall the blue pattern seats were all standard (no two tone) by 1995. And I doubt this was a setting but may or may not have remembered the CRT monitors could've been automatically retracted even in Y at one point.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:04 pm

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I came across this photo of one of the original AA 757 cabins from the late 80s. If this had the 2 tone, it seems clear the 767 did as well 5 years earlier.


I noticed in a photo of the 727 cabin that I found yesterday, a pattern where there are a variable amount of rows with beige bars on a blue background sandwiching 3 rows of blue bars on a beige background:
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As I was typing this post, I found another coach photo - from the DC-10 (IDK if it has been posted in this thread yesterday)
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Interesting how on the starboard side there seem to be > 3 rows of the inverted pattern, while there being 3 in the middle section, and 9 rows of the beige-bars-on-blue-background seat pattern between that row of inverted colors, and the ones before it...?

Edit: another picture from the DC-10, this one taken just forward of the 3L/R door.
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Where there are only 2 rows of blue bars on a beige background just in front of the 3L/R door, and 3 rows of seats with beige bars on a blue background before the next triplet of inverted patterned seats.


Maybe uniformity was a lot easier to figure out for the narrow body fleet (and some of the other widebody fleet), but the DC-10's pattern is giving me a headache right now... 0_o
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:39 pm

More images I've stumbled across online:

747SP First/Business Class(es?):
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747SP coach class:
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Fokker F-100 First Class & Coach:
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:16 am

The mixture of the blue and light gray seats in Y Class was typical on American during the 80s. By the early 90s, even the late 80s, most aircraft if not all aircraft on American had an all blue upholstery in Y Class. First time I flew on a 757 with American was in 1990 when the airplane was all new. First time I flew on a Super 80 was in 1989. First time I flew on a 767 was in 1988. I recall that all seats in Y were blue in the 757, the 767 and the Super 80. I don't recall any Super 80 or Fokker 100 with the mixture described above in the pictures of the DC-10 cabin. Fokker 100 it's normal because the first one was delivered in 1992. Same for the MD-11 on which I have flown once in 1993. I barely remember the DC-10, I don't quite remember the colors of the seat but it's very possible they were as shown in the pictures above. Last time I flew on a 10 was in the early 90s. I do remember the 727, yes, but not with the mixture shown in the picture above, I remember that one only with an all blue layout in Y Class. But, again, my most distant memory goes as far back as the 90s.
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:06 am

If the date in this video is correct, it looks like the MD-82s did have the mixed upholstery in 1990.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3HyrKTBQg
(0:30 - 0:44, 1:13 - 1:33 are just 2 time stamp ranges that show the cabin, there are a few more )

EDIT: 7:58 - 8:11 show the inside of the 767-223 (non-ER? IDK)
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:25 pm

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If the date in this video is correct, it looks like the MD-82s did have the mixed upholstery in 1990.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3HyrKTBQg
(0:30 - 0:44, 1:13 - 1:33 are just 2 time stamp ranges that show the cabin, there are a few more )

EDIT: 7:58 - 8:11 show the inside of the 767-223 (non-ER? IDK)

I think I'm in love with you because that shows the 767 with the two tone cabin!!!! Thank you so much.
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Basically I believe all had the two tone cabin until the early 90s with the exception of the 747sp which was always all blue. I've seen it on the S80, 727, DC10, 757, and 767.

I have a seating chart from 1989 that has the bae146 (which was replaced by the F100), A300 and the 737(which they acquired from air cal). I imagine all 3 of those were using the two tone cabin too.

That was one of the few times they flew such a big boeing line- 727, 737, 747, 757, 767

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By the way, it's funny that those photos above which you guys reposted were the ones from the lengthy post that got deleted. I saw all of these on Pinterest under DEN14's profile. That 757 photo is early. I believe the initial ones didn't have retracting displays because I remember flying on them as a kid in the early 90s (once coach was all blue) and they didn't intitially retract but then they did. We flew it every year from JFK-SXM from 1992-2006. Then they put the 737 on it after we stopped going.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:55 pm

travelsonic wrote:
More images I've stumbled across online:

747SP First/Business Class(es?):
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747SP coach class:
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Fokker F-100 First Class & Coach:
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Saw those as well on Pinterest. The guy posting them must have worked for an airline because he has a bunch of rare empty cabin shots of planes when they look brand new. That first photo is the 747sp first class sleeper- the same seat I ended up buying on eBay recently. The second photo is business class which has the leg rest but not a full sleeper seat. Then of course coach.

That f100 is from 1992 and I believe that was the year they switched to all blue universally. It was also the year they updated the Weber sleeper seats to the 7502 so it makes sense.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:02 pm

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The mixture of the blue and light gray seats in Y Class was typical on American during the 80s. By the early 90s, even the late 80s, most aircraft if not all aircraft on American had an all blue upholstery in Y Class. First time I flew on a 757 with American was in 1990 when the airplane was all new. First time I flew on a Super 80 was in 1989. First time I flew on a 767 was in 1988. I recall that all seats in Y were blue in the 757, the 767 and the Super 80. I don't recall any Super 80 or Fokker 100 with the mixture described above in the pictures of the DC-10 cabin. Fokker 100 it's normal because the first one was delivered in 1992. Same for the MD-11 on which I have flown once in 1993. I barely remember the DC-10, I don't quite remember the colors of the seat but it's very possible they were as shown in the pictures above. Last time I flew on a 10 was in the early 90s. I do remember the 727, yes, but not with the mixture shown in the picture above, I remember that one only with an all blue layout in Y Class. But, again, my most distant memory goes as far back as the 90s.

Based on my posts above it appears they all had the two tone up until 1992 with the intro of the F100 which was all blue. I know the 747sp was the exception because the blue was supposed to calm the japanese business men, but realistically they did all blue on the sp because the flights were so long and the beige cloth would have more chance to stain from sweat etc. Pan am had similar patterned seats at this time, and they were doing light and dark blue for 1 year before they went all dark blue for easier cleaning and replacement. AA followed suit and did all blue most likely based on this same logic.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:07 pm

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As I was typing this post, I found another coach photo - from the DC-10
Interesting how on the starboard side there seem to be > 3 rows of the inverted pattern, while there being 3 in the middle section, and 9 rows of the beige-bars-on-blue-background seat pattern between that row of inverted colors, and the ones before it...?

Edit: another picture from the DC-10, this one taken just forward of the 3L/R door.
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Where there are only 2 rows of blue bars on a beige background just in front of the 3L/R door, and 3 rows of seats with beige bars on a blue background before the next triplet of inverted patterned seats.


Maybe uniformity was a lot easier to figure out for the narrow body fleet (and some of the other widebody fleet), but the DC-10's pattern is giving me a headache right now... 0_o


If you look closely there is somewhat of a pattern. The beige and blue alternate between center and outside with very few exceptions. While there isn't a pattern for the number of rows, the theme is consistent. If it's blue on the outside, beige on the inside and vice versa with very few exceptions at the ends of rows. This is to create the illusion of space by color. Pan am had a whole case study on the arrangement of color patterns and had some of the most methodically complex arrangements I ever saw in the late 70s 747s.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:24 pm

Does anyone recall when AA introduced a sort of southwest (Arizona, New Mexico - not the airline) inspired type of color pattern of Y seats in the early '90s?
I recall that they were on a DC-10 and very nice and more professional in appearance that the grey / blue combo that is being discussed.
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:29 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
travelsonic wrote:
More images I've stumbled across online:

747SP First/Business Class(es?):
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747SP coach class:
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Fokker F-100 First Class & Coach:
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Saw those as well on Pinterest. The guy posting them must have worked for an airline because he has a bunch of rare empty cabin shots of planes when they look brand new. That first photo is the 747sp first class sleeper- the same seat I ended up buying on eBay recently. The second photo is business class which has the leg rest but not a full sleeper seat. Then of course coach.

That f100 is from 1992 and I believe that was the year they switched to all blue universally. It was also the year they updated the Weber sleeper seats to the 7502 so it makes sense.

Here's my sp sleeper seat with accessories (hardest thing to find was the Japanese menu). I even found the national geographic book he was reading in the promo photo.

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:36 pm

Qantas59 wrote:
Does anyone recall when AA introduced a sort of southwest (Arizona, New Mexico - not the airline) inspired type of color pattern of Y seats in the early '90s?
I recall that they were on a DC-10 and very nice and more professional in appearance that the grey / blue combo that is being discussed.

I believe the Aztec theme was used between 1998 and 2000. I saw it on the DC10, F100 and S80.

It appeared to be the direction they were headed for coach, but then they started the new blue theme from the 777/S80 which was dark blue leather with a dark blue fabric insert and adjustable headrest and went with that instead. Some like the 757 just retained the old double bar fabric for eons.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:36 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
travelsonic wrote:
More images I've stumbled across online:

747SP First/Business Class(es?):
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747SP coach class:
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Fokker F-100 First Class & Coach:
Image

Saw those as well on Pinterest. The guy posting them must have worked for an airline because he has a bunch of rare empty cabin shots of planes when they look brand new. That first photo is the 747sp first class sleeper- the same seat I ended up buying on eBay recently. The second photo is business class which has the leg rest but not a full sleeper seat. Then of course coach.

That f100 is from 1992 and I believe that was the year they switched to all blue universally. It was also the year they updated the Weber sleeper seats to the 7502 so it makes sense.

Here's my sp sleeper seat with accessories (hardest thing to find was the Japanese menu). I even found the national geographic book he was reading in the promo photo.

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:18 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
Saw those as well on Pinterest. The guy posting them must have worked for an airline because he has a bunch of rare empty cabin shots of planes when they look brand new. That first photo is the 747sp first class sleeper- the same seat I ended up buying on eBay recently. The second photo is business class which has the leg rest but not a full sleeper seat. Then of course coach.

That f100 is from 1992 and I believe that was the year they switched to all blue universally. It was also the year they updated the Weber sleeper seats to the 7502 so it makes sense.

Here's my sp sleeper seat with accessories (hardest thing to find was the Japanese menu). I even found the national geographic book he was reading in the promo photo.

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What did they charge you for shipping?


The guy worked in the industry and knew a company that specialized in freight shipping, so it was only $150 via freight shipping.

The chair was outrageous though, so giving me a discount on shipping was the least he could do. :)
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:15 pm


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Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern. The bolder blue/grey/white “quilted” pattern shown in this pic was rolled out around 1988. This 767-200 also appears to have the retrofitted galley configuration adopted when AA transitioned from 14” carts to 12” carts on the -200. The -300 was delivered with 12” carts in 1987. The -200 non-ERs and original -200 -ERs were delivered with galleys configured for “14 carts. AA did not begin retrofitting the -200s with new “12 cart galleys until 1991.

This 767 has “12 cart galleys. If this had the “14 cart galleys, parts of the galley would be visible in the pic. The aft jumpseats on the “12 cart galley aircraft were moved inboard to accommodate two cart storage adjacent to the exits between the jumpseat and the fuselage wall. Therefore , this pic is either a -300 or a post -1991 reconfigured -200. More likely a post -1991 reconfigured -200 because...while hard to tell...the aft centerline lavs of the -300s appear to be missing.



This makes sense- It seems that 1992 was the year they officially went all blue. So this may have been the Teague photo showing the change from blue/beige to all blue, plus the updated 12” carts in late 1991. The video from 1990 shows the two color 767 coach cabin which also aligns with this time frame. During this time, I get the feeling they updated the original leather seats in F on the standard 767-200 to the Weber seats which were on the 757, A300 and domestic DC10. They were wider, and as stated people complained the original seats were cramped. I have only seen these wider seats in one of the safety cards.

My guess is the 767-200ER was the first delivered with sleeper seats in 1987. The 1985 IFS brochure only features the DC10. The 1987 brochure features the DC10 and 767-200ER. Interestingly enough, later in 1987, the 767-300 entered the picture for AA, and even though the cabin photo I posted showed sleeper seats, the seating guide does not list them as sleepers, and they are strangely close together.

By 1992, the 767-200ER started offering the IFS on transcontinental flights, and the F/J cabin appeared to have got the new seats-Weber 7502. I imagine this was around when they had updated the main cabin to all blue. In 1995, the seats in J were updated with the red headrests.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:21 pm

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Anyway- to bring this thread back on topic, if anyone has any photos of the early 767 cabins for AA- I would really appreciate if you could share them!


I found an image of the wide-body A300 cabin- This is most likely what the original 1983 767 cabin looked like as well. Too bad there is still no imagery- and I have been looking hard!
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I have some pictures of N301AA the original 767 200 on delivery in SFO, just cant figure out how to upload them



Is there anyway you could email them to me so I could see them? Send me a PM If you want.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:40 pm

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readytotaxi wrote:
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Here's my sp sleeper seat with accessories (hardest thing to find was the Japanese menu). I even found the national geographic book he was reading in the promo photo.

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What did they charge you for shipping?


The guy worked in the industry and knew a company that specialized in freight shipping, so it was only $150 via freight shipping.

The chair was outrageous though, so giving me a discount on shipping was the least he could do. :)


That chair is amazing. I'm determined to do the same thing in my new place.

Those AA slippers didn't change over the years. They actually found one just like in the photo in the 9/11 debris believe it or not.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:44 pm

N649DL wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
What did they charge you for shipping?


The guy worked in the industry and knew a company that specialized in freight shipping, so it was only $150 via freight shipping.

The chair was outrageous though, so giving me a discount on shipping was the least he could do. :)


That chair is amazing. I'm determined to do the same thing in my new place.

Those AA slippers didn't change over the years. They actually found one just like in the photo in the 9/11 debris believe it or not.

Thanks! I was lucky everything lined up because it's not every day you get something this rare! And in acceptable condition. The lambswool made it though over 30 years!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:51 pm

That seat is in excellent condition. I suppose it is from a 767? Does it have an IFE control, or is that missing?
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:34 pm

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It appeared to be the direction they were headed for coach, but then they started the new blue theme from the 777/S80 which was dark blue leather with a dark blue fabric insert and adjustable headrest and went with that instead.


Found a video on YouTube - (seems to be a report for a school news show?) where they go into American's first 777 (that they were showing off to the public and press) - in it, they mentioned the interior - and how the 777's was kind of a "preview" for the interior that was to come, and came for the 767s, MD-82s, etc (and was at least partially applied eventually in American's 757s, in some of their A300s, etc) (the blue pattern cloth, blue leather headrests on the seats, bulkhead patterns, etc). The video was from January 1999.

Interestingly, that was the month and year I took my first ride in an American 767-323ER LAX-JFK, and as I might have mentioned before, I noticed they had put makeshift blue headrests like the ones in the updated interior on the coach seats on that aircraft (with everything else still being the same interior-wise) - the Velcro strap used to fasten it to the seat sucked, the stupid headrest kept falling off, and that bugged the crap out of me.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:37 pm

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That seat is in excellent condition. I suppose it is from a 767?


Werner's seat is from a 747SP.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:48 pm

travelsonic wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
That seat is in excellent condition. I suppose it is from a 767?


Werner's seat is from a 747SP.


Yep it is out of an AA 747SP. The ones in the 763 were Identical, but taupe in comparison. Only the 747SP got blue first class/biz class.


Also- travelsonic, feel free to send me those images in an email. I cant seem to reach you via PM for some reason!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:29 am

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Only the 747SP got blue first class/biz class.


So, it is very rare. Like one out of two possible blue, single 747SP seats rare?

AKA the “Captain Kirk chair” in the middle of A zone?
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:26 pm

DL_Mech wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
Only the 747SP got blue first class/biz class.


So, it is very rare. Like one out of two possible blue, single 747SP seats rare?

AKA the “Captain Kirk chair” in the middle of A zone?

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1of3. There were 2 nose cone singles and an upper deck single when introduced in 1987.

In 1989 they replaced the upper deck single with a dual seat. One of the SP pilots took home that upper deck single, and kept it until he died of cancer a few years ago.

I then got it via an estate acquisition on eBay from a guy in the industry. Talk about one of a kind. Not only sheepskin, but the blue version from the SP.

I also added all the accessories including the Japanese menu, and thoroughly cleaned the seat.

Hopefully it will appreciate in value.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:09 am

Been mad busy lately, keep forgetting to email you the photos again, but don't worry, I'll get to it eventually.

In the mean time, here's a REALLY rare shot I found on theairarchive.net of a DC-10-30 coach cabin from a Transaero operated aircraft (IIRC leased from American Airlines? Bought from AA? Don't remember for sure what the story was) - still furnished with the coach cabin interior from American for AT LEAST the seats, and the carpets - and here's a nice surprise, the DC-10-30s seemed to have the what-we-nickname-as-"Aztec" seat pattern.


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Might just be the only CURRENTLY KNOWN photo of an American DC-10-30 coach cabin, with this pattern seat cloth, AND the only (that we know at least) cabin photo of a DC-10-30 of American's from when it was operated by Transaero.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:24 pm

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Coach:
Burns BA-1 - Double - DC-10 - Blue with beige "Aztec" patterns, and red/beige stripes
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Burns BA-1 - Quadruple - DC-10 - Blue with beige "Aztec" patterns, and red/beige stripes
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Been mad busy lately, keep forgetting to email you the photos again, but don't worry, I'll get to it eventually.

In the mean time, here's a REALLY rare shot I found on theairarchive.net of a DC-10-30 coach cabin from a Transaero operated aircraft (IIRC leased from American Airlines? Bought from AA? Don't remember for sure what the story was) - still furnished with the coach cabin interior from American for AT LEAST the seats, and the carpets - and here's a nice surprise, the DC-10-30s seemed to have the what-we-nickname-as-"Aztec" seat pattern.

Might just be the only CURRENTLY KNOWN photo of an American DC-10-30 coach cabin, with this pattern seat cloth, AND the only (that we know at least) cabin photo of a DC-10-30 of American's from when it was operated by Transaero.


Yeah that must be these seats you posted a while back. Awesome find!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUp6Gd84ew Interesting what they called "Business Class" in 1983.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:19 pm

Personally, if I was in that business class offering (more perks but coach class seats), based on this seat chart:

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I am honestly unsure if I'd prefer the London/Rio configuration with 2-4-2 seating, or the Transcon config, where it's 2-5-2, but the middlemost seat is blocked off.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:18 pm

Great photos which brought me down memory lane. I never knew seat cover designs could take me that far back :D
Does anyone remember what type of aircraft AA use to fly from their Zurich to Dallas route back in Feb ’99? All I remember was that it was a wide-body and it had that blue seat cover with the three beige equal-sized lines that made up a bunch of rectangles like the ones shown in the pictures. I feel crazy for asking but after seeing some of these posts, I’m sure someone knows or remembers. :lol: I wasn't a big aviation enthusiast back then :spin:
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:51 pm

travelsonic wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUp6Gd84ew Interesting what they called "Business Class" in 1983.



Nice find!

I think this commercial is a 747!

So that proves the original 747s (not the sp's) got the blue and beige interior that existed throughout the 80s and 90s!!!!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:59 am

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I think this commercial is a 747!


That looks like a mockup. 747 sidewalls and DC-10 overhead bins.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:26 am

I knew the sidewalls were the 747 and thought the overheads looked odd.....how disappointing.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:01 am

DL_Mech wrote:
Cody wrote:

I think this commercial is a 747!


That looks like a mockup. 747 sidewalls and DC-10 overhead bins.


I don’t know, in one of their final 747-100 cabins (there were two configs), they did have a dedicated business section like this briefly (the one with the sleepers upstairs and regular F downstairs). It may have been not finalized at the time Of the commercial hence why it says starting Jan 15, So they may have put those bins in as a stop gap before finalizing the interiors For the advertisement. (By the way these interiors were very very brief). Also, if you look at the center rows in the commercial , the two guys in the front are in large middle seats and then behind them the seats are the normal count across- again seems like an unfinished product for advertising purposes, but still similar!

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I saw one photo of this in an old time table and the business class differentiator was the wooden sides of the seats, but it was clearly on a DC10
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:02 pm

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I knew the sidewalls were the 747 and thought the overheads looked odd.....how disappointing.


Another giveaway......No Exit signs above the aisle.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:44 pm

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Here's my sp sleeper seat with accessories (hardest thing to find was the Japanese menu). I even found the national geographic book he was reading in the promo photo.

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For anyone interested, I am selling this sleeper seat. Once in a lifetime opportunity

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193646701771?s ... 1555.l2649
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:31 pm

I feel like an idiot. For the longest time, I wondered why the inside page of the 757 safety card showed a bulkhead coach seat with no exit door.

I JUST realized that the reason for this is because the pictures taken, and continually used well into the 2000s, was from the original configuration for the 757s, which had 3 rows of Y ahead of the 2L/R door (even if it is from a mockup that matched the original 757 configuration).
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:49 am

In terms AA's passenger cabin interior variations, I think I just found ANOTHER variation of the 1984-1990s seat cloth pattern. Look at this American Eagle ad for the regional carrier AVAir buying/entering into service Fairchild Metro IIIs:
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Dark blue (solid, from the look of it) bulkhead, same carpet as on other AA/AE aircraft, and seat cloth is blue bars on a tan background, but rotated 90* so the rectangles are standing vertically!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:05 am

Also here is an ad showing the Weber 6002 first class leather seats with the skeepskin tufts

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:13 am

Just found another ad on eBay - this one shows a single 767 F seat
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BUT unlike the one seen on the Aeromockups website, and in some AA press images, and safety cards, this one appears to have nearly as many skeepskin "tufts" as the weber 6002s/6003s (perhaps 1 more?)

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