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TWA Hotel @ JFK

Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:36 pm

I know this is not exactly an "airline" question, but does anyone know when the TWA Hotel at JFK is slated to open. The news I see says reservations can be made starting in December 2018. Going through JFK in early 2019 and wanted to purposely book and overnight connection at JFK to stay at the hotel.
 
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:46 pm

I believe they are talking May 2019, but you should get that confirmed to be sure. This date was reported by the press in connection with the Starliner (TWA Livery) moved to the site from Bangor last week.
 
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:31 pm

The last press release I have on file here at Gannet shows expected opening date of May 2019. I am slated to cover the grand opening. Being the boss has its privileges. :)
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:52 pm

I guess, welcome back TWA.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:15 am

Blimpie wrote:
The last press release I have on file here at Gannet shows expected opening date of May 2019. I am slated to cover the grand opening. Being the boss has its privileges. :)


Ah, another person that's in the news business that frequents this site. Good to see!
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:19 am

JFK is screaming out for a world class 4 star and above hotel. I know Manhattan is the main attraction, but sometimes one needs to stay at JFK and ughh the Hilton is stuck in the early 1990s, and I'm sure the others are not much better. Even LAX has around 10 very acceptable contemporary hotels one can choose from.

This hotel is a welcome addition. I'm sure the pricing will be horrendous, and it will be full every night!!

They need to modify some of the other terminals and build more hotels on top, or over a parking structure. More is needed! T8 would be a great place to build a hotel with provisions made so its easy to build out from and under a hotel there when they, IF they ever extend it T8.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:07 pm

I was looking at their page, and noticed the average rate is going to be about $250 a night. That is a little pricey, but I may be able to squeeze a night or two!

Is the TWA Connie heading there going to be inside of the hotel?
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:18 pm

F9Animal wrote:
I was looking at their page, and noticed the average rate is going to be about $250 a night. That is a little pricey, but I may be able to squeeze a night or two!

Is the TWA Connie heading there going to be inside of the hotel?


Wait until you see the prices on the food and beverage menu.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:20 pm

F9Animal wrote:
I was looking at their page, and noticed the average rate is going to be about $250 a night. That is a little pricey, but I may be able to squeeze a night or two!

Is the TWA Connie heading there going to be inside of the hotel?

$250/night is inexpensive compared to prices in Manhattan.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:27 pm

You can find *plenty* of hotels in the under $150 range in Manhattan.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:07 pm

ClipperYankee wrote:
Blimpie wrote:
The last press release I have on file here at Gannet shows expected opening date of May 2019. I am slated to cover the grand opening. Being the boss has its privileges. :)


Ah, another person that's in the news business that frequents this site. Good to see!


AFAIK all 11 staffer in my department have active accounts on A.Liners.

Over the years, I've met and first hand know quite a few guys that are Washington Post, New York Times, AP, APF, Kyodo and Reuters that are on here as well. I'm every bit as certain that major cable/satellite news professionals (CNN, BBC, NHK, ABC...) are also either lurkers and/or members. Many of them are also SMEs inavation or transport sectors.

So one of the things that really annoys me on this site to no end is when people on here love to slam the media for inaccurately reporting and/or biased reporting who fail to realize that there are a lot of SME aviation journalists on this site, and that a lot of the comments and way people state AV facts on here are often picked up upon by other media professionals as source.

A great example, the 60 Minutes report on Allegiant originated from the countless threads and discussion on here over the way the airline operates. While I had no involvement in that project, I do know several of the SMEs involved in it who were active here and were participating in some of those threads who had emailed me inquiring my opinion about several users and their comments.

Again really wish members on these forums realize how often what they say and do does get broadcasted (and cited) to the outside world by the media.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Blimpie wrote:
ClipperYankee wrote:
Blimpie wrote:
The last press release I have on file here at Gannet shows expected opening date of May 2019. I am slated to cover the grand opening. Being the boss has its privileges. :)


Ah, another person that's in the news business that frequents this site. Good to see!


AFAIK all 11 staffer in my department have active accounts on A.Liners.

Over the years, I've met and first hand know quite a few guys that are Washington Post, New York Times, AP, APF, Kyodo and Reuters that are on here as well. I'm every bit as certain that major cable/satellite news professionals (CNN, BBC, NHK, ABC...) are also either lurkers and/or members. Many of them are also SMEs inavation or transport sectors.

So one of the things that really annoys me on this site to no end is when people on here love to slam the media for inaccurately reporting and/or biased reporting who fail to realize that there are a lot of SME aviation journalists on this site, and that a lot of the comments and way people state AV facts on here are often picked up upon by other media professionals as source.

A great example, the 60 Minutes report on Allegiant originated from the countless threads and discussion on here over the way the airline operates. While I had no involvement in that project, I do know several of the SMEs involved in it who were active here and were participating in some of those threads who had emailed me inquiring my opinion about several users and their comments.

Again really wish members on these forums realize how often what they say and do does get broadcasted (and cited) to the outside world by the media.


Agreed. I'm in the wire pictures side of the business but I do cringe on many matters involving the media, in both directions. Media being attacked undeservedly and media messing up an aviation story, even the easy parts.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:37 am

Blimpie wrote:
ClipperYankee wrote:
Blimpie wrote:
The last press release I have on file here at Gannet shows expected opening date of May 2019. I am slated to cover the grand opening. Being the boss has its privileges. :)


Ah, another person that's in the news business that frequents this site. Good to see!


AFAIK all 11 staffer in my department have active accounts on A.Liners.

Over the years, I've met and first hand know quite a few guys that are Washington Post, New York Times, AP, APF, Kyodo and Reuters that are on here as well. I'm every bit as certain that major cable/satellite news professionals (CNN, BBC, NHK, ABC...) are also either lurkers and/or members. Many of them are also SMEs inavation or transport sectors.

So one of the things that really annoys me on this site to no end is when people on here love to slam the media for inaccurately reporting and/or biased reporting who fail to realize that there are a lot of SME aviation journalists on this site, and that a lot of the comments and way people state AV facts on here are often picked up upon by other media professionals as source.

A great example, the 60 Minutes report on Allegiant originated from the countless threads and discussion on here over the way the airline operates. While I had no involvement in that project, I do know several of the SMEs involved in it who were active here and were participating in some of those threads who had emailed me inquiring my opinion about several users and their comments.

Again really wish members on these forums realize how often what they say and do does get broadcasted (and cited) to the outside world by the media.


If members of the broadcast and print media are picking up comments from this forum and broadcasting them, they need to get the hell out of the business.
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Re: TWA Hotel @ JFK

Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Agree. Take a look also at NBC/CBS/ABC Evening "News" these days. Best video, much from Internet/public/stringers gets lead story and other so called news time so net is a smattering of hard news, rest commercials and features. No wonder this country is so under informed.......
 
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JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:54 am

Did a quick search but nothing came up. It seems the hotel will open in May. What a neat idea.

https://www.dwell.com/article/twa-hotel ... s-d4ac1649
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:57 am

Where's he ^^ been hiding ??!
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:16 am

Not that there isn't room for more discussion as it opens soon, but look a little harder, been discussed ad nauseum.

I think the hotel is a great idea.
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:33 am

I'm booked for opening night. Can't wait!
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:07 am

asuflyer05 wrote:
I'm booked for opening night. Can't wait!



May this year, right ?
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:58 am

I'm more interested in the TWA Constellation that's going to be converted into a restaurant.

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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:50 am

alberchico wrote:
I'm more interested in the TWA Constellation that's going to be converted into a restaurant.

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I thought it was just going to be a bar, but no matter--I agree with you!
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:42 am

Already being discussed with tons of pages and updates and pictures

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1378033
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:02 am

Does AA still own the rights to the TWA name/branding?
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:06 am

Byrdluvs747 wrote:
Does AA still own the rights to the TWA name/branding?


Yes. I looked it up for a previous thread, although I'm not sure which one. It is still an actively maintained trademark.

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
Already being discussed with tons of pages and updates and pictures

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1378033


That thread's last activity is over nine months ago. Anet policy is threads which have not had activity in over six months should not be resurrected.
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:09 am

Byrdluvs747 wrote:
Does AA still own the rights to the TWA name/branding?


I looked up my previous comment on another thread.

Here are the details I found:
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Kind of off topic. But, does American Airlines Group still own the TWA name and trademarks? It seems to me that the hotel developer and operator can't simply start using the TWA trademark and other designs from the 1960s for commercial purposes, if AAG still owns the name. Even though the globe logo was replaced in the 1970s, the red, slant-block lettering was still used until TWA ceased operations as a separate carrier in 2001.


The TWA red, slant-block lettering is still trademarked. Although, oddly, its just the slant-block lettering that is trademarked, the red isn't included. (Probably to keep their options open for future colors, and to get broader protection.)

I looked it up over at US Patent and Trademark Office. Sadly I couldn't link to the TWA record, but here is a screen shot:
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INAL, but I'm guessing that since this is a hotel and not an airline, the trademark protection doesn't apply (Although, copyright protection would apply.) or more likely the hotel has licensed the TWA name from AA for this hotel. AA gets some cash out of the deal and doesn't get any badwill from blocking the hotel's desire to recognize a historic airline like TWA.
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:46 pm

USAirKid wrote:
I looked up my previous comment on another thread.

Here are the details I found:


Thanks for the info. So I take it that this hotel has nothing to do with B6.
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 pm

Looking forward to it opening. I'm planning on taking my Mom there for her birthday in October. She retired from TWA in 1999.
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:13 pm

So exciting the terminal will finally be open to the public again after 18 years.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:33 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
Looking forward to it opening. I'm planning on taking my Mom there for her birthday in October. She retired from TWA in 1999.


B6 is a minority partner in the project. You will be able to access the hotel lobby from the baggage claim level of T5 and vice-versa, via the "tubes" of the Saarinen terminal.
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:46 pm

alberchico wrote:
I'm more interested in the TWA Constellation that's going to be converted into a restaurant.

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Did y'all know this thing was parked in Times Square overnight??
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:39 pm

It was positioned on the corner of Broadway and West 45th st, it will leave this evening for JFK.

Most of the news networks have picked up on the story and there are several photos online showing the TWA Connie in Times Square.
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varsity wrote:
alberchico wrote:
I'm more interested in the TWA Constellation that's going to be converted into a restaurant.

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Did y'all know this thing was parked in Times Square overnight??


I was in Manhattan yesterday near Times Square. I passed this TWA Constellation while on a bus. It looked like it was still gutted inside.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:05 pm

It's easier to fit it out as cocktail bar once it's positioned into place at the former TWA terminal at JFK, the extra weight alone would have added to the complex move hence why it's still gutted.
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:52 pm

Does Jetblue still own the TWA terminal?
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:18 pm

No, the port authority owns the building and leased it to the hotel developers.
 
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Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:49 pm

I was there years ago when that Connie display in the photo was taking place. There had been some talk about rides, but in the end they just did the static display. A TWA friend also took me on a nice tour of the innards of the terminal -- pre-9/11 as I recall. I still have a copy of the cockpit/operation video they were selling at the time to raise funds for continued restoration/exhibiting.
 
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varsity wrote:

B6 is a minority partner in the project. You will be able to access the hotel lobby from the baggage claim level of T5 and vice-versa, via the "tubes" of the Saarinen terminal.


Too bad B6 doesn't fly to STL which is where we are originating. Av-geek that I am I might pop over to T5 for a few minutes but the hotel itself is the attraction to me.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:35 pm

2 nights ago; saw that Connie, being trucked and escorted up 6th Avenue. Was a sight to behold!
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:25 pm

wjcandee wrote:
I was there years ago when that Connie display in the photo was taking place. There had been some talk about rides, but in the end they just did the static display. A TWA friend also took me on a nice tour of the innards of the terminal -- pre-9/11 as I recall. I still have a copy of the cockpit/operation video they were selling at the time to raise funds for continued restoration/exhibiting.



I was there for that too

1999 I believe

They parked it on the left side of the window facing the ramp

The terminal was a ghost town as TWA had shrunk to nothing at JFK
 
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jfklganyc wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
I was there years ago when that Connie display in the photo was taking place. There had been some talk about rides, but in the end they just did the static display. A TWA friend also took me on a nice tour of the innards of the terminal -- pre-9/11 as I recall. I still have a copy of the cockpit/operation video they were selling at the time to raise funds for continued restoration/exhibiting.



I was there for that too

1999 I believe

They parked it on the left side of the window facing the ramp

The terminal was a ghost town as TWA had shrunk to nothing at JFK


Actually, it was straining at the seams, although you are right the number of flights was reduced; I was flying them a lot those days, and there would be lines out the door during the busy periods; same at baggage claim. I always checked in with the skycaps, because for a few bucks you were liberated from your bags, and they would hand you a boarding pass within moments so you didn't have to join the mosh pit. How technology has changed things in such a short period of time!
 
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OzarkD9S wrote:
varsity wrote:

B6 is a minority partner in the project. You will be able to access the hotel lobby from the baggage claim level of T5 and vice-versa, via the "tubes" of the Saarinen terminal.


Too bad B6 doesn't fly to STL which is where we are originating. Av-geek that I am I might pop over to T5 for a few minutes but the hotel itself is the attraction to me.


If you take the Airtrain from your arrival terminal you can alight at the Terminal 5 station and walk through T5 to get into the hotel without going outside or having to cross the street. There's a long curved elevated walkway from the station which leaves you at the top floor of T5. Take the escalators or lifts down to the arrival level and the "flight tubes" will let you cross the arrival roadway into the hotel.
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:09 pm

wjcandee wrote:

Actually, it was straining at the seams, although you are right the number of flights was reduced; I was flying them a lot those days, and there would be lines out the door during the busy periods; same at baggage claim. I always checked in with the skycaps, because for a few bucks you were liberated from your bags, and they would hand you a boarding pass within moments so you didn't have to join the mosh pit. How technology has changed things in such a short period of time!


By that point they had vacated T6 and consolidated to T5, correct?
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:15 pm

varsity wrote:

If you take the Airtrain from your arrival terminal you can alight at the Terminal 5 station and walk through T5 to get into the hotel without going outside or having to cross the street. There's a long curved elevated walkway from the station which leaves you at the top floor of T5. Take the escalators or lifts down to the arrival level and the "flight tubes" will let you cross the arrival roadway into the hotel.


Thanks for the tip!
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:02 pm

I saw that the Constellation made a visit to Times Square yesterday (Just the fuselage).
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:16 pm

Since the terminal isn't that big for the hotel demands. They should just make underground extension 1km into the underground.
 
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Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:17 pm

When will the Tower Air terminal be converted into a hotel? No??...refugee asylum??... Ok, I'll show myself out... :duck:
 
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WN732 wrote:
I saw that the Constellation made a visit to Times Square yesterday (Just the fuselage).


Which has already been discussed only a few posts before yours, we are all aware of the visit of the Connie (fuselage) to Times Square :-)
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wjcandee wrote:

Actually, it was straining at the seams, although you are right the number of flights was reduced; I was flying them a lot those days, and there would be lines out the door during the busy periods; same at baggage claim. I always checked in with the skycaps, because for a few bucks you were liberated from your bags, and they would hand you a boarding pass within moments so you didn't have to join the mosh pit. How technology has changed things in such a short period of time!


By that point they had vacated T6 and consolidated to T5, correct?



Correct

T6 was abandoned after the TWA 800 fiasco.

they started parking the 747s and the rest is history

By 98 they were consolidated in T5. By 2000, they were consolidated into one wing of T5. (The north wing)
 
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Re: JFK TWA Terminal to turn into a hotel

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:52 am

The other thing to note is that this will finally get JFK Airport a desginated observation deck (which could observe 4L takeoffs, 22R landings, and 31R landings).
 
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JFK Finally has its own Hotel!

Wed May 15, 2019 12:27 pm

One of the few US airports without a hotel, the TWA Hotel opens today!

A lot of money was poured into this project.

With over 500 rooms, an infinity cool, a Connie, and lots of lounges and restaurants on site, JFK joins other world airports in a spectacular way!




https://www.twahotel.com/

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