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Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:00 pm

As I've been researching flights for a potential trip to Hawaii, I've come across discrepancies with equipment used on their timetable from their website. I don't want to fly narrow-body to HNL, so I'm looking for their 330 routes. It appears LAX/LAS/SAN/SEA/SFO are staying 330s to HNL. While looking at their timetable it appears PDX and PHX are also 330s, but then flightaware has PDX using a 321 and under their premium cabin experience (available only on 330s), the routes listed are LAX/LAS/SAN/SEA/SFO. I know some previous routes are being changed from 330s to 321s. I've even searched Routes Online (Airlineroute), but can't find any solid information. Anyone here have any information or links to announcements from the company concerning NA routes and equipment?
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:12 pm

They fly the 330 HNL-JFK and will be starting BOS also.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:18 pm

You're looking for consistency that doesn't exist ;) The routes you're looking at have variable demand, so HA matches expected demand and aircraft type. Yes, the routes mentioned on the site are their regular operating routes for the 332s, but they operate the 332 on PDX and PHX during peak demand (or if they don't yet have enough 321s to operate them where they'd like). For example, on HNL-PDX they're operating it on HA25/26 in April, May and June for all days, but only on Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays in February. Google Flights seems to be doing a perfectly good job of showing the correct equipment types, so if you're concerned I'd start there.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:21 pm

From where are you originating? If you're on the east coast you can fly B6 to JFK or BOS then you'll be guaranteed an A330 on JFK/BOS-HNL.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:27 pm

In summary, HA operates the 330 to:
- LAX (HNL and OGG)
- LAS
- SFO (HNL and OGG)
- SAN
- SMF
- SEA (HNL and OGG)
- PDX
- PHX
- JFK
- BOS
And then a variety of route to Asia and Australia, as well as PPT and PPG.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:30 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
From where are you originating? If you're on the east coast you can fly B6 to JFK or BOS then you'll be guaranteed an A330 on JFK/BOS-HNL.


Chicago. While most of you are probably saying, take the UA nonstop, I've done that and just wanted to experience Hawaiian. Guess I'll keep an eye on Google Flights.

Thanks for the information.
 
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:32 pm

b764 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
From where are you originating? If you're on the east coast you can fly B6 to JFK or BOS then you'll be guaranteed an A330 on JFK/BOS-HNL.


Chicago. While most of you are probably saying, take the UA nonstop, I've done that and just wanted to experience Hawaiian. Guess I'll keep an eye on Google Flights.

Thanks for the information.

I would think you could get ORD-LAX-HNL on one ticket (B6 and HA). That LAX-HNL flight will almost definitely be an A330.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:03 am

b764 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
From where are you originating? If you're on the east coast you can fly B6 to JFK or BOS then you'll be guaranteed an A330 on JFK/BOS-HNL.


Chicago. While most of you are probably saying, take the UA nonstop, I've done that and just wanted to experience Hawaiian. Guess I'll keep an eye on Google Flights.

Thanks for the information.


LAX, use LAX-HNL as your wide body gateway. There is no scheduled A-321neo on the route yet. PDX varies & was the first downgauge HA did when the neo’s came on property. SEA is consistent as is SFO. PHX is always a wide body & I do not believe HA has any plans to fly their neo’s there. Of course there are never guarantees in the event of IRROPS. Your other option is to backtrack to BOS or JFK & enjoy HA for ten hours instead of 5-6. HA is great to fly on.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:34 am

SEA-OGG/HNL and LAX-HNL are your best bets. SEA and LAX are where HA has the "heavier" light maintenance done on the 330s, so not likely to get downgauged, even in event of operational issues. In the midterm, neither PHX nor LAS have seen any operational downgauges to A321, so they're also probably OK. SFO-OGG goes to A321 from Sep 3 2019, but SFO-HNL is still on A330 in the published schedule. PDX is mostly just seasonal or operational upgauges (and in fact is an A321 mx station) so wouldn't trust that route.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:17 pm

Hey OP, if you're in ORD, starting in December 2019 you'll be able to catch an AC 789 from YYZ>HNL. That would be pretty close to you in Chicago, just a quick back-step.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w19/
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:46 pm

Does Hawaiian have fleet capacity to upguage 717s to Widebodies at high demand hours?

Sure seems with the Airbus fleet commonality it seems it would be simple to utilize a depreciated short range widebody Airbus infrequently to compliment the narrow bodies and keep fares low upon their inter-island niche.

New A330s are a bit to costly to not fly with high utilization rates.
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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:52 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Does Hawaiian have fleet capacity to upguage 717s to Widebodies at high demand hours?

Sure seems with the Airbus fleet commonality it seems it would be simple to utilize a depreciated short range widebody Airbus infrequently to compliment the narrow bodies and keep fares low upon their inter-island niche.

New A330s are a bit to costly to not fly with high utilization rates.


They could, but they don't and they probably won't. After AQ shut down they ran a 767 back and forth on HNL-OGG for quite a while until they could get more 717s. Barring some sort of operational disaster with multiple 717s out of service, I doubt we would see a A330 or even A321 operating interisland.

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Re: Hawaiian A330 North American Routes

Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:24 pm

aloha73g wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Does Hawaiian have fleet capacity to upguage 717s to Widebodies at high demand hours?

Sure seems with the Airbus fleet commonality it seems it would be simple to utilize a depreciated short range widebody Airbus infrequently to compliment the narrow bodies and keep fares low upon their inter-island niche.

New A330s are a bit to costly to not fly with high utilization rates.


They could, but they don't and they probably won't. After AQ shut down they ran a 767 back and forth on HNL-OGG for quite a while until they could get more 717s. Barring some sort of operational disaster with multiple 717s out of service, I doubt we would see a A330 or even A321 operating interisland.

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As I recall, the 717s are used because they are ideal for the stage length. Few plane types can support the short cool off time and quick turnaround that HA schedules for island hopping. Other a/c types would force a different, less dense schedule.
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