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Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:53 pm

So Lufthansa is on the verge of a bulk 787 order from Boeing - which I feel like is overdue considering the long haul scope of LH. What are some possible existing and new routes LH can use 787 on? I assume opening up mid sized US markets (PDX, LAS, PHX for example) and maybe replacing Condor like what happened in SAN
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:56 pm

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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:57 pm

I think SEA may be a future 787 route.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:07 pm

Really? Are they? Is there a source to this information or just wishful thinking?
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:08 pm

Detroit to Munich.
Minneapolis to Frankfurt
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:11 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
Really? Are they? Is there a source to this information or just wishful thinking?

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/luf ... 77x-plans/
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:14 pm

Id bet on the Munich to Denver route going from the a350 to 787 but who knows
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:16 pm

Miami wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
Really? Are they? Is there a source to this information or just wishful thinking?

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/luf ... 77x-plans/


Talks of LH 787 orders have been going around since 2016. I'll believe it when I see it. I'd say look out for more A350s if they are considering a plane of that size. After all they aren't disappointed with them at all so it would make sense. But once again these are just rumors, like the ones that float around every day and never materialize.
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:17 pm

Will they stay with LH or will they be handed over to OS and/or EW?
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:21 pm

OA940 wrote:
Miami wrote:
MileHFL400 wrote:
Really? Are they? Is there a source to this information or just wishful thinking?

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/luf ... 77x-plans/


Talks of LH 787 orders have been going around since 2016. I'll believe it when I see it. I'd say look out for more A350s if they are considering a plane of that size. After all they aren't disappointed with them at all so it would make sense. But once again these are just rumors, like the ones that float around every day and never materialize.


Maybe not in LH colours, but for OS (767/777) and EW the A350 might be too big. Also for a 330/343 replacement at LX to be smaller than their new 77W. I can’t imagine all those will be 350 or 330neo(?) replacements.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:24 pm

Blerg wrote:
Will they stay with LH or will they be handed over to OS and/or EW?


Lufthansa carries the premium brand name, they will definitely get the new planes first, and EW gets the fully-reconditioned-but-still-used hand-me-downs.

It will be interesting to see how LH outfits their new fleets. Will there be multiple layouts? Will there be extra-premium-heavy layouts? What will be based at FRA and what will be based at MUC? How close to a 1-for-1 swap will new aircraft be with retiring aircraft?

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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:42 pm

Lufthansa has already 20 Boeing 777-9s on order, the first seven of which will be delivered in late 2020, and the airline holds options for 14 further 777-9s. “These options are also part of our negotiations”, explains Spohr.


Does this infer converting the B777X options into B787s?
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:44 pm

Useless thread imho. LH has clearly stated that they should have ordered more A350 over the 777. Why would they even consider a 787 as an additonal type in the fleet?

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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:00 pm

Last news was December. Nothing current. I still think a big 797/787 order is very possible given the number of A333/A343 (LX/LH) need replacing. I think LH could be the EU launch customer for MOM. I don't think any of these will come at the expense of 77X orders, of which they will probably need more to replace the B748 and A388, not just the B744. I also see room for the A359.

I also agree that low cycle, newish A333 will be handed down to EW/BRU and OS. The 787 would be ideal for OS but they probably don't have the cash flow to do it.
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:02 pm

So, I'm confused, the OP basically starts a thread that's (so far on the evidence presented) just basically a fanboy jerkoff wish dream and it's presented as fact? Right.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:08 pm

correct, no evidence/facts and the above provided link is also only a source from Dec'18.
in fact, we have already a Lufthansa fleet thread here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414151 and I suggest to continue discussing there
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:09 pm

Doesn't a quote from the Lufthansa CEO that the 787 is being considered count as fact?
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:15 pm

It is rather a leap to go from 'being considered' to 'on the verge of a bulk order'.

Fact is that major airlines will be pitched and consider practically all types at some point. They could place an order tomorrow, next year, or never.
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:24 pm

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
Last news was December. Nothing current. I still think a big 797/787 order is very possible given the number of A333/A343 (LX/LH) need replacing. I think LH could be the EU launch customer for MOM. I don't think any of these will come at the expense of 77X orders, of which they will probably need more to replace the B748 and A388, not just the B744. I also see room for the A359.

I also agree that low cycle, newish A333 will be handed down to EW/BRU and OS. The 787 would be ideal for OS but they probably don't have the cash flow to do it.


I thought a few years ago the LH CEO was saying they might have ordered too many 777X?
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:33 pm

george77300 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Miami wrote:


Talks of LH 787 orders have been going around since 2016. I'll believe it when I see it. I'd say look out for more A350s if they are considering a plane of that size. After all they aren't disappointed with them at all so it would make sense. But once again these are just rumors, like the ones that float around every day and never materialize.


Maybe not in LH colours, but for OS (767/777) and EW the A350 might be too big. Also for a 330/343 replacement at LX to be smaller than their new 77W. I can’t imagine all those will be 350 or 330neo(?) replacements.


IIRC the head of LH Group said that OS can finance their own orders otherwise they can keep the 30 year old planes (essentially), and for EW I think their A330s still have some life in them though I'm not sure. As for LH itself I'd be willing to bet they'd want to upsize on at least part of the routes now operated by the A330s and 343s, but time will tell.
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:43 pm

oschkosch wrote:
Why would they even consider a 787 as an additonal type in the fleet?



It could be for another airline in the group. Even if it is for LH, Lufthansa engineering is such a huge entity that maintaining 787s won't add much cost.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:02 pm

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
Last news was December. Nothing current. I still think a big 797/787 order is very possible given the number of A333/A343 (LX/LH) need replacing. I think LH could be the EU launch customer for MOM. I don't think any of these will come at the expense of 77X orders, of which they will probably need more to replace the B748 and A388, not just the B744. I also see room for the A359.

I also agree that low cycle, newish A333 will be handed down to EW/BRU and OS. The 787 would be ideal for OS but they probably don't have the cash flow to do it.

I understand age isn't everything for fleet replacement, but the A330 fleets average age is 12 years old. Doesn't it seem a little bit too early to be thinking about A330 replacement?

IMO a 787 order may come about in the future, especially with the commonalty it has with the 779, but it would face tough competition for an order of additional A350s. Perhaps some sort of combination of the two?
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:18 pm

The 787s would be a great w/b replacement for OS. The B787-8 for their B767-300ERs & the B787-9 for their B777-200ERs.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:45 pm

They have a lot of 330s that need replacement. Sooner or later LH will order the 787.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:52 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
They have a lot of 330s that need replacement. Sooner or later LH will order the 787.

And what exactly makes LH and order 787 a requirement instead of A330neo or A350?

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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:56 pm

fcogafa wrote:
Doesn't a quote from the Lufthansa CEO that the 787 is being considered count as fact?


“Being considered” and “on the verge of a bulk order” are two very different things.
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:57 pm

I don't mind having a discussion about hypothetical 787 routes at Lufthansa, maybe change the title a bit for clarity as "possible" tends to imply that they already have the type on order.

But the real hyperbole here is to say that LH are "on the verge" of ordering the 787 without providing any evidence of this when all that is known for a fact is the CEO stating that they are considering either the 787 or additional A350s.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:23 pm

caliboy93 wrote:
So Lufthansa is on the verge of a bulk 787 order from Boeing

Pure nonsense!!! Until now there is no such order nor has anyone said there will be an order!
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:32 pm

This thread really shouldn’t exist until LH place a 787 order. Then it has relevance, not before.

As others correctly state, there’s a decent LH Fleet Thread already here, so why not use that until such time as an order is placed, OP?

The fanboyism on this site is getting ridiculous!
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:43 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
They have a lot of 330s that need replacement. Sooner or later LH will order the 787.

And what exactly makes LH and order 787 a requirement instead of A330neo or A350?

Michael


The 787 is more efficient than an A330 and smaller than an A350. Not every route needs a huge aircraft.
 
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:36 am

Wynnster8 wrote:
St.Louis?


Why? There seems to be this obsession on European-STL on A.net, just not getting it!!
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Re: Possible Lufthansa 787 routes

Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:51 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
They have a lot of 330s that need replacement. Sooner or later LH will order the 787.

And what exactly makes LH and order 787 a requirement instead of A330neo or A350?

Michael


The 787 is more efficient than an A330 and smaller than an A350. Not every route needs a huge aircraft.


Moreover, LH seems to order AC that are optimized for routes w/i their network even if that means operating multiple AC types.

Given the amount of routes they have between large hubs it seems highly likely that they would order the 787-10.

Their affiliates operate at smaller hubs where the -8 or 9 would seem ideal.

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