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The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:37 am

The title says it all...what do you think?
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:53 am

Perhaps way down the road. These planes will be flying for decades however. I flew on a 30 year old 757 a week ago.
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:59 am

Considering Emirates best suite is on the 777 I would say they’re here to stay.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:04 am

I suspect it has less to do with the aircraft and more to with the economics of the product.

If it is a profitable product on the 777, sure. I reckon it will stick around.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:50 am

We have to wait to see what Cathay and Singapore do on their 777-9.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:52 am

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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:07 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
QR have introduced suites in their A35K J product


As great as they are they don't touch EY/SQ A380 F, cmon it's a whole different world.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:48 pm

Suites will stay. At least for business class. I'd say those extra spots like showers and bars will go. And first class and the apartment as well.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:08 pm

The real end of the Suite Class has always been the Gulfsteam and Global Express series. Anyone who could afford a full fare on EK or EY would just assume charter a business jet and avoid the constraints of a schedule and the stop in the Middle East.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:09 pm

Well... the typical mini suites are here to stay... but, the mega suites like SQ’s and Etihad’s Residence & Apartment most likely will be gone...
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:16 pm

Suites are much wider defined than you think. Theoretically, QSuites and Delta OneSuite are both “suites” as we know it, just miniatures ones. Many airlines also feature first class suites for their long haul fleets.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:22 pm

Noshow wrote:
Suites will stay. At least for business class. I'd say those extra spots like showers and bars will go. And first class and the apartment as well.


This is the correct answer - there won't be an equivalent to The Residence (it was using non-revenue-producing space on the plane, beyond the standard First Class 'Apartment' footprint part of it was in), showers will be gone from Etihad and Emirates, and don't expect any cool onboard bars/lounge areas coming back beyond the small 3-5 seat ones like what VS has.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:50 pm

jetskipper wrote:
The real end of the Suite Class has always been the Gulfsteam and Global Express series. Anyone who could afford a full fare on EK or EY would just assume charter a business jet and avoid the constraints of a schedule and the stop in the Middle East.


A seat in a suite class will cost you around 15-20k round trip, this is far from the cost of chartering a Global Express, especially if travelling alone
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:42 pm

westaust wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
The real end of the Suite Class has always been the Gulfsteam and Global Express series. Anyone who could afford a full fare on EK or EY would just assume charter a business jet and avoid the constraints of a schedule and the stop in the Middle East.


A seat in a suite class will cost you around 15-20k round trip, this is far from the cost of chartering a Global Express, especially if travelling alone


Less than that, usually. EY F on the A380 can be £5k return to the middle east. No way you are getting anywhere near that on a private jet.

It is business class that has eaten away at the F market.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:00 pm

I think it will be the end of showers, lol.
About Suites, there are the new ones from EK in their 77W.
Or Qatar QSuites, which are very good.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:27 pm

It comes down to the amount of floor space the airline is willing to devote to premium passengers and how much those passengers are willing to pay for it. If the airline can consistently fill the suites at a price that is more than other use of that space would bring then they will stay. But I question that there are enough passengers willing to pay enough to make them viable for most airlines on most routes. The size of the A380 makes it easier to justify, as there is generally plenty of space for all uses. But if customers like it and are willing to pay what it costs the suites may remain.
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Suites existed before the A380 so I can't see why they would go after the A380 ceases operations. EK introduced the first of their A340-500 and most probably continue to have them on their 777s as will other airlines with non-A380 suite equipped ac. Also, I can see more airlines introducing q-suite/mint/delta suite products in the future. As stated above, the larger suites of SQ and EY will likely go
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:36 pm

Given that the upper deck of an A380 is roughly equivalent to the main deck of an A330/A340 and given that the lower deck is roughly equivalent to a 747/777, I see no reason why suites can't be installed in those types. It's not as if any airline has introduced a two-floor suite on the A380.

Now, EY's "Residence" product is probably a goner once the A380 is retired. In the present state, that product takes up space that cannot otherwise be used for revenue passengers because there is no emergency exit forward of the Residence bedroom. So if they were going to install a comparable product, the economics would have to make up for the enormous amount of space it takes up.

But the other more conventional suites can be installed on any widebody and I would not be entirely shocked if an airline did a 1-1 arrangement on the 797 (I would be surprised, but not totally shocked).
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:52 am

Thanks for the input and thoughts... on B777 in future, I always think that the best Suite Class / F Class should be in 1 - 2 - 1 format and J class should stick with 2 - 2 - 2 (To drive the price down and clear difference between J and F), Premium Economy can go with 2 - 3 - 2 (This is the best I think) representing the old business class style and stick with 3 - 3 - 3 for economy class.

I guess in about 20 years from now, there will be no more shower and bar once the A380 gone :)

"But the other more conventional suites can be installed on any widebody and I would not be entirely shocked if an airline did a 1-1 arrangement on the 797 (I would be surprised, but not totally shocked)."

1 - 1 arrangement now that's a private jet :P
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:40 pm

There are suites on the 777 and A350 as well.
 
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Re: The end of A380 means The end of Suite Class?

Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:47 am

Even wothout the suites, first class on most airlines will be reduced. SIA first class on its 773ER only have 4 seats and their A380 suites is down from 12 to 6.

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