simpv wrote:HKG: HNL-HKG anytime soon? Maybe HA could look at that route.
simpv wrote:PEK: Only ATL and DEN are in the top 20 in the US.
simpv wrote:CGK: CDG route top, LAX second (and far exceeds JFK and SFO).
simpv wrote:BKK: Dominated by demand to LAX, much more than JFK or SFO.
simpv wrote:DEL: Also dominated by demand to LAX, SEA strong but only at 75 PDEW.
simpv wrote:Separately, that new airport in Berlin needs to open soon, and DUS is also on there a few times.
zakuivcustom wrote:simpv wrote:HKG: HNL-HKG anytime soon? Maybe HA could look at that route.
You mean HX? They got no money to expand, sadly.
There are a fair amount of 2nd/3rd tier European cities on the list, although it's a little bit surprising that both TXL and HAM are among airports on the list but not DUS (Which CX used to fly).simpv wrote:PEK: Only ATL and DEN are in the top 20 in the US.
You forgot MCO.
Speaking of PEK, the #1 route (LAD) was served by TAAG awhile back.
Otherwise, PEN needs a flight to both PEK and PVG (and perhaps ICN).simpv wrote:CGK: CDG route top, LAX second (and far exceeds JFK and SFO).simpv wrote:BKK: Dominated by demand to LAX, much more than JFK or SFO.simpv wrote:DEL: Also dominated by demand to LAX, SEA strong but only at 75 PDEW.
Not surprising. Anyone that has any knowledge of TPAC market will tell you LAX is by far a much larger market than SFO (Which is always overrated IMHO just b/c UA has a hub there).
Ultimately, one can definitely fill up a plane on LAX-BKK, it's a matter of whether one can make money or not anyway.simpv wrote:Separately, that new airport in Berlin needs to open soon, and DUS is also on there a few times.
Definitely agree. PVG, HKG, ICN, and to lesser extent, HND (Pretty sure there are some indirect traffic from NRT also), and BKK all has Berlin on the list, yet Tegel is so congested that there's simply not much room for expansion.
simpv wrote:Just to expand, here are the routes listed that have at least an estimated 75 PDEW, with some cities listed at above 100.
HND: BCN is close (71.9).
HKG: HNL is close (72.6)
PVG: DUS (95.3), MAN (81), CAI (80.2), PEN (79.7), and GRU (72.9; close, but probably too far for an economical route).
CGK: CDG (119.1), LAX (99.8), DEL (87.8), AMM (80), and DMM (76)
For comparison, JFK (62.5) and SFO (47.7).
CAN: LOS (119).
For comparison, BOS (41.2) and ORD (38).
SIN: PUS (103) and SOC (87.5).
ICN: MEL (110.8) and DYG (94.6).
BKK: LAX (334), MAN/JFK/SFO/DUS/MAD/TXL (between 140.5 and 210).
DEL: LAX (178.4), DPS (150.9), AKL (146.4), and BNE (100).
For comparison, SEA (75.6).
mpdpilot wrote:CGK-LAX/JFK/SFO certainly make a case for GA to serve the US again, though I suspect that CGK suffers from similar yield issues as BKK. Perhaps the existing options through HND/NRT/ICN/AMS (from GAs website, these where the first options for CGK-LAX) are sufficient.
simpv wrote:I meant Hawaiian, since it is likely just a point to point route. Though HA struggled in PEK, so maybe the premium demand isn't there.
simpv wrote:ICN: MEL (110.8) and DYG (94.6).
USAirALB wrote:Going off other posters in this forum you would have thought that it would have been NRT-MIA, PVG-MIA, PEK-MIA, ICN-MIA.
zakuivcustom reply 9 ICN-MEL = Potential Jetstar Route? Or Perhaps KE on their 787s?
zakuivcustom wrote:mpdpilot wrote:CGK-LAX/JFK/SFO certainly make a case for GA to serve the US again, though I suspect that CGK suffers from similar yield issues as BKK. Perhaps the existing options through HND/NRT/ICN/AMS (from GAs website, these where the first options for CGK-LAX) are sufficient.
CGK-LAX is in a worse position than BKK-LAX. It's further than SIN-LAX for one thing, and thus, required an even stronger business case than BKK-LAX to be profitable. In another word, not going to happen soon.
EChid wrote:I am kind of surprised how limited connectivity between Korea/China and secondary cities in Australia is. CA cancelled their routes between MEL and PVG, KE stops service to MEL. OZ only serves SYD. Are CX and SQ eating everyone's lunch here?
AirAfreak wrote:Once upon a time, there was a Los Angeles - Honolulu - Tokyo flight; operated by Korean Air. Based on this particular flight routing that operated as a vacation flight for some years of service, I wonder what level of traffic a Los Angeles - Jeju - Seoul/Gimpo could potentially garner?
adamh8297 wrote:I am still surprised TYO-HKT is unserved.
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