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Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:41 am

Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200Fs that they were operating?
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:16 am

I would think the global recession of 2009 caused loss of cargo demand. And with DL only focusing on belly cargo, it's an opportune time for them to close down NWA Cargo & get rid of the 742Fs

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1048879 ... or-09.html
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:17 am

Well they are 747-200s... not the most efficient thing in the world.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:26 am

Here's an article from the time. Sounds like it was an easy decision to make.

https://www.aircargonews.net/uncategori ... ter-fleet/
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:58 am

And the 747-200 active fleet around the world was decreasing. The aircraft itself was less efficient than newer freighters available both factory built and converted. Then the draw down of the air fleets made maintenance more expensive, because 747 classic specific parts were less widely available. If the 747-200F's no longer fit their new owner's business model, it made sense to get rid of them.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:09 am

Put yourself in Delta's place. You're in the middle of literally the worst economic environment you've seen in your life. Among many other effects that has created a crisis in cargo demand and a significant glut of capacity. You're operating an aging, increasingly expensive to operate fleet of 747-200Fs at a loss, with deep uncertainty about the future. Do you commit to a billion-dollar fleet of 744Fs or BCFs, or do you forget about the 742Fs and focus on your more stable business? The answer seems obvious, even a decade later.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:10 am

I wonder if DL uses AFKL for maindeck capactiy ex USA?
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:35 am

How many freighters did Delta retire? Are any of them still flying today?
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:39 am

blacksoviet wrote:
How many freighters did Delta retire? Are any of them still flying today?

Are you an AI bot? Some of the threads and replies you make are...interesting.
Might I point you in the direction of the following website? airfleets.net
In all seriousness, Delta wanted out of the dedicated freighter business.
It was an easy decision for us to make at the time.
How many 747-200s are flying today? (this is a rhetorical question)
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:16 pm

Who is to say it was a Delta decision there was a heavy NW influence in the corporate structure after the merger.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:50 pm

DENTK wrote:
How many 747-200s are flying today? (this is a rhetorical question)


Right now: 1 (N787RR - out of TUS)
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:56 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
Who is to say it was a Delta decision there was a heavy NW influence in the corporate structure after the merger.


After the merger Northwest was Delta. So yes, a Delta decision.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:19 pm

Almost all of the NW 747-200Fs went to Kalitta Air after the merger. Several flew for a number of years after that; N795CK, the last US-registered -200 in revenue service, was retired in 2017. It and one of its sister ships were sold after K4 parked them, and are still flying for a cargo operator somewhere in the middle east, mostly doing Dubai-Afghanistan runs last I heard.
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:39 pm

A few of the former NWA freighters are sitting at Oscoda Wurtsmith Airport (formerly Wurtsmith AFB) in Oscoda Michigan.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:55 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
How many freighters did Delta retire?


Read the linked article above and you'll get your answer.
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:11 pm

GCT64 wrote:
DENTK wrote:
How many 747-200s are flying today? (this is a rhetorical question)


Right now: 1 (N787RR - out of TUS)


Geo-Sky also has a 747-200F flying right now Kabul to Baku
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:06 am

Geo-Sky currently flies two former Northwest 747-200s.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:11 am

flyDTW1992 wrote:
Almost all of the NW 747-200Fs went to Kalitta Air after the merger. Several flew for a number of years after that; N795CK, the last US-registered -200 in revenue service, was retired in 2017. It and one of its sister ships were sold after K4 parked them, and are still flying for a cargo operator somewhere in the middle east, mostly doing Dubai-Afghanistan runs last I heard.

One of the ships still flying is an ex-United 747-222. This ship has PW JT9D-7R4G2 engines. It was converted to a freighter by Northwest in the early 2000s.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:04 am

Why didn´t NWA Cargo order the 747-400F?
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:49 am

UA857 wrote:
Why didn´t NWA Cargo order the 747-400F?

Northwest had a hub in Anchorage which allowed them to refuel their 747-200s on transpacific flights. On most of their routes, they did not need the range of the 747-400F because they preferred to use their hub in Anchorage as a refueling/rest stop. The 747-200s still had a lot of life left in them and Northwest probably wanted to use them until the end. If it weren't for the Delta merger, Northwest would likely have kept some 747 freighters in service until 2017 or later.

Additionally, their two ex-United 747-222s had Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4G2 engines. These aircraft had excellent range. They were late model 747-200s built in 1987. They had almost as much range as a 747-400. One of these aircraft is still flying in Central Asia for Geo-Sky.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:23 am

The 747-400F was a $100,000,000 aircraft. Northwest probably didn't think it was worth it when they had a large fleet of relatively new 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. These aircraft still had a lot of hours and cycles left and Northwest thought it was worth it to pay the flight engineers until the end and get their moneys worth out of each airframe.

If Northwest was still around today, they would probably be ordering the 747-8F to replace their 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. They might have even ordered a small number of 747-8Is.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:47 am

blacksoviet wrote:
The 747-400F was a $100,000,000 aircraft. Northwest probably didn't think it was worth it when they had a large fleet of relatively new 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. These aircraft still had a lot of hours and cycles left and Northwest thought it was worth it to pay the flight engineers until the end and get their moneys worth out of each airframe.

If Northwest was still around today, they would probably be ordering the 747-8F to replace their 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. They might have even ordered a small number of 747-8Is.


I don´t think NW would order the 747-8I given the inevitable decline of NRT in their network? They would´ve by now replaced their 747-400s with 787s?
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:44 am

UA857 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
The 747-400F was a $100,000,000 aircraft. Northwest probably didn't think it was worth it when they had a large fleet of relatively new 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. These aircraft still had a lot of hours and cycles left and Northwest thought it was worth it to pay the flight engineers until the end and get their moneys worth out of each airframe.

If Northwest was still around today, they would probably be ordering the 747-8F to replace their 747-200Fs and 747-200SFs. They might have even ordered a small number of 747-8Is.


I don´t think NW would order the 747-8I given the inevitable decline of NRT in their network? They would´ve by now replaced their 747-400s with 787s?

Yes and I think they would have converted some of their 747-400s to freighters to replace some of their 747-200s.
 
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Re: Why did Delta retire NWA's 747-200F?

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:43 am

Where were the 742's actually based. Aside from ANC. Did they see regular service to DTW or MSP? They were before my time here in Michigan.

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