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Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 2:26 pm

I was looking at QR current (civil) fleets, which include: A319, A320, A321, A330, A340 (soon to be retired), A350, A380, B777 and B787 and thought how do they organize crews around in order to fly each subfleet.

How many groups of crews according to each fleet do they have? I wonder all short haul via the A320 family is flown by the same people, then A330/340/350 assume can be done by the same people. Would those be able to fly the A380 as well? The pair of Boeing horses 787 and 777 together as well? That would make a total of 3/4 groups?

Any other good example of airlines with large amount of sub-fleets?
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 2:45 pm

A319, A320, and A321 would all be flown by the same pilots, much like the 737-700, -800, and -900 would be flown by the same pilots. Think A330 and A340 are a common type rating, no idea about the A350. I don't think the A380 has a common type rating with any other aircraft. As for the 787 and 777, I think that one depends on the airline. I read somewhere on here that KLM does this.
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 2:51 pm

Lufthansa is probably a contender here:

A380 Pilots fly this aircraft exclusively.
B744/748 is one Subfleet
A330/A340 is one Subfleet
A319/A320/A321 is one Subfleet
Not sure where the A350 fits.

If we count Cargo and Cityline then:
MD-11 Subfleet
777F Subfleet
Embraer 190/195 Subfleet
CRJ900 Subfleet

If you’d like to be really pedantic and count the Ju-52, then there’s that as well ;)
DC9/MD90/MD11/F70/BAE146
737/738/739/744/748/752/763/772/789
A319/A320/A321/A332/A333/A346/A359
Q400/E170/E175/E190/CS300
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 2:58 pm

It'll be hard to top Delta for variety of aircraft. These are the current bid categories for pilots. Nine categories with multiple variants on property or on order in seven of the nine.

A220 (100/ with 300s on order)
A320 (319/320/320 with 321NEO arriving next year)
A330 (200/300 with 900NEO arriving soon)
A350
B717
B737 (700/800/900ER)
B757/767 (752, 753, 763ER)
B777 (200ER/200LR)
MD88 (MD88/90)
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 3:39 pm

Asleep at the wheel and forgot an entire bid category at Delta! Too late to edit so I'll add here the 767-400 with only one variant, so ten bid categories and only three that don't have multiple variants on property or order.
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 4:45 pm

I’ve wondered for a while why Delta breaks out the -400 into its own category when it doesn’t require a separate type rating. I don’t believe united does this.
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Thu May 02, 2019 5:07 pm

Moosefire wrote:
I’ve wondered for a while why Delta breaks out the -400 into its own category when it doesn’t require a separate type rating. I don’t believe united does this.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked UA's pay scale, their 73Gs are in a different bracket than the 738s and 739s. Not sure about their 767s though.

Going off that, does this mean they have a separate group of pilots who only fly the 73Gs, or can all pilots with the 737 rating be scheduled on any UA 737, and then would just get paid less for the time they fly the -700 vs when they fly the - 800/900?
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Fri May 03, 2019 1:17 am

TG:
>A333( and the now retired A345/A346 fleet)
>A359
>A388
>744
>772/77E/773/77W
>787-8/787-9
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Sat May 04, 2019 1:27 am

Moosefire wrote:
I’ve wondered for a while why Delta breaks out the -400 into its own category when it doesn’t require a separate type rating. I don’t believe united does this.

Betting it’s not by choice, that is almost certainly Union driven.
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Sat May 04, 2019 4:47 am

Air Canada
B787
B777
B767
B737
A319
A320
A321
A330
DH3
DH4
CRJ
E170
E190
I'm sure I've forgotten some!!
A319 320 321 330 340 380 B707 727 737 747 757 767 777 787 BAe1-11 Trident 1, 2, 3B Viscount Lancaster VC10 HS748, ATP DHC-1, 3 Dash-8 Dash-400 Shorts 330 360 Embraer Banderiante Brasileria 175 190 BAe146 Saab 200 DC-3 -8 -9 -10 MD-11 ATR42-72
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Sat May 04, 2019 2:23 pm

LOT maybe? Not sure how the bidding works but they have:
Dash 8 Q400
E-jets (E170, E175, E190, E195)
CRJ-900
737 (737-400, 737-800, 737 MAX 8)
787 (787-8, 787-9)
Not as many compared to some of the others, but still quite a few for a fleet of just 77 total.
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Mon May 06, 2019 4:24 am

TheEuphorian wrote:
TG:
>A333( and the now retired A345/A346 fleet)
>A359
>A388
>744
>772/77E/773/77W
>787-8/787-9


I'll second TG.

They get a few of everything.

Until recently they also had the two 737s they used to Samui and the Thai Smile A320s...
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Mon May 06, 2019 6:42 am

777Jet wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
TG:
>A333( and the now retired A345/A346 fleet)
>A359
>A388
>744
>772/77E/773/77W
>787-8/787-9


I'll second TG.

They get a few of everything.

Until recently they also had the two 737s they used to Samui and the Thai Smile A320s...

At one point of time they had a subfleet of BAe146, Short 360, ATR42 and the ATR72, mainly used for domestic during late 1980-early 1990.
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Mon May 06, 2019 8:43 pm

I would have thought Aeroflot in the 80s would be a candidate:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421867

Especially with non civil aircraft falling under their umbrella.
 
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Re: Airline(s) with the most number of sub-fleets

Sun May 12, 2019 12:13 pm

Korean Air? They have a little of everything.
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