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Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 4:35 am

 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 4:44 am

That looks like a lot of flaps for a takeoff. And too shallow of a deck angle for a takeoff. But I’m just guessing.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 4:46 am

Looks like landing based on flap extension and lower nose down attitude. With a lesser flap setting, a higher AOA would required and he's not at that. Usually lesser flaps are used for takeoff albeit some aircraft can takeoff at almost full flaps. I'm sure the gate number in the back could be tracked down and a trajectory extrapolated to better guess a takeoff or landing.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 5:07 am

greendot wrote:
Looks like landing based on flap extension and lower nose down attitude. With a lesser flap setting, a higher AOA would required and he's not at that. Usually lesser flaps are used for takeoff albeit some aircraft can takeoff at almost full flaps. I'm sure the gate number in the back could be tracked down and a trajectory extrapolated to better guess a takeoff or landing.


Ahh... while I was looking for evidence based on the aircraft, positioning relative to Gate F23 is definitely a good clue! Thanks. (Landing)

https://www.ifly.com/miami-international-airport/terminal-map

https://www.alamy.com/aerial-photograph-miami-international-airport-mia-image63597778.html
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 am

Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 7:54 am

mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


As they would be for takeoff too, but I expect you meant that they are extended much more than for a takeoff.

Attitude is also a big giveaway. Shortly after rotation it would be much more nose high than in the photo. If you look hard though the windows you can also see a man reaching for his bag from the overhead bins too.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 10:05 am

Landing. Definately.
If it was on take off, the angle would be much higher
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 10:20 am

Just knowing the geography of MIA....it's lamding....RWY 30
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 10:42 am

Greetings Folks, whether it is in take off mode or landing this has to be the best aircraft ever built.
I have fond memories of several flights ex Lax to Atl and return. Cheers 325i.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 10:53 am

Take-off thrust would probably give visible hints for exhaust fumes and distorted light trajectories, so must be landing.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 11:27 am

The picture happens abeam concourse F heading west..... not enough run for takeoff from 30 or 27 so it must be LANDING 30.... concur.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 9:04 pm

mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Virtual737 wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


As they would be for takeoff too, but I expect you meant that they are extended much more than for a takeoff.

Attitude is also a big giveaway. Shortly after rotation it would be much more nose high than in the photo. If you look hard though the windows you can also see a man reaching for his bag from the overhead bins too.

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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 9:25 pm

greendot wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.



Most planes and all airliners have variable flap settings. It is easy to tell based on that alone. For example the 767 can use flaps, 1, 5, 15 or 20 for takeoff. I cannot remember the L1011 flap settings but there were a few.

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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 9:29 pm

reltney wrote:
greendot wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.



Most planes and all airliners have variable flap settings. It is easy to tell based on that alone. For example the 767 can use flaps, 1, 5, 15 or 20 for takeoff. I cannot remember the L1011 flap settings but there were a few.

Cheers from the cockpit!


That's what I'm saying. But, not all airplanes can takeoff with flaps equal to or similar to landing setting extensions. I remember this wasn't the case in the 737 (at least when I flew it) but it is in the A320.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 9:37 pm

greendot wrote:
reltney wrote:
greendot wrote:

It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.



Most planes and all airliners have variable flap settings. It is easy to tell based on that alone. For example the 767 can use flaps, 1, 5, 15 or 20 for takeoff. I cannot remember the L1011 flap settings but there were a few.

Cheers from the cockpit!


That's what I'm saying. But, not all airplanes can takeoff with flaps equal to or similar to landing setting extensions. I remember this wasn't the case in the 737 (at least when I flew it) but it is in the A320.


I believe its landing. The comment about variable flaps is more in keeping with the "Dial a Flap" function that was part of the DC10/MD11 aircraft and I think the DC9 thru 717 as well? The L1011 had fixed flap settings for TO and landing. More than one setting for each, but not like the DC10/MD11.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Mon May 06, 2019 10:20 pm

Based on the location of the terminal in the background it's landing RWY 30 at MIA. I don't think there's an L-1011 that can get in the air in under 1,500 feet.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Tue May 07, 2019 12:21 am

Landing based on the location.

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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Tue May 07, 2019 2:56 am

Looks like it’s landing to me. The flaps appear to be at landing position, extended much farther than takeoff position.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Tue May 07, 2019 8:35 pm

Virtual737 wrote:
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Attitude is also a big giveaway. Shortly after rotation it would be much more nose high than in the photo. If you look hard though the windows you can also see a man reaching for his bag from the overhead bins too.


Yep. I looked. I'm an idiot.
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Wed May 08, 2019 12:27 am

ExpatVet wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
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Attitude is also a big giveaway. Shortly after rotation it would be much more nose high than in the photo. If you look hard though the windows you can also see a man reaching for his bag from the overhead bins too.


Yep. I looked. I'm an idiot.


You just made my day ;)
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Thu May 09, 2019 4:10 am

Virtual737 wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
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Attitude is also a big giveaway. Shortly after rotation it would be much more nose high than in the photo. If you look hard though the windows you can also see a man reaching for his bag from the overhead bins too.


Yep. I looked. I'm an idiot.


You just made my day ;)


In my defense, my pre-coffee IQ isn't much to write home about. ;)
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Thu May 09, 2019 11:10 am

greendot wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.


This plane is landing, The normal landing flap settings for the L-1011 were 33 or 42, though most later aircraft had 42 blocked or not installed. The L-1011 does not have variable flap settings in the sense McDonnell-Douglas uses the term (then again neither does the A-320); it has fixed detents like most planes though one of several settings may be appropriate to a given situation.
 
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Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Sat May 11, 2019 1:44 am

PGNCS wrote:
greendot wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Landing. Just check the flaps and you'll see they are extended.


It's hard to tell based on that alone. I never flew this airplane but I have a vague recollection of someone telling me these planes had variable flap settings depending on what kind of takeoff they wanted to make. In an A320, for example, you can land in Flaps-3 (vs Flaps-Full) and takeoff in Flaps-3 if you need to takeoff in short distances or are really heavy. I couldn't tell by flap extension alone.


This plane is landing, The normal landing flap settings for the L-1011 were 33 or 42, though most later aircraft had 42 blocked or not installed. The L-1011 does not have variable flap settings in the sense McDonnell-Douglas uses the term (then again neither does the A-320); it has fixed detents like most planes though one of several settings may be appropriate to a given situation.



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