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What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:02 am

The 787 has probably been the best thing an airline could wish for. I can't even begin to list the number of routes started or restarted because of the 787. Lufthansa have 20 on order, and I am wondering what they intend to do with them? AFAIK they don't seem like a particularly adventurous airline when it comes to long haul routes. Concerningly for me as a 747 fanboy, their combined orders of 20 779s 31 A359s, and 20 789s seem perfectly situated to replace the A343s, A346s, and 748s one to one with a slight reduction in capacity. Could this be bad news for the 748?
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:17 am

I suspect some will go to OS and their 777s and 767s are getting older. Maybe some will go to LX. But I also strongly believe they will stay with LH mainline. It is the direct replacement for the A340-300 which has served LH well. So they will likely send it to A340-300 destinations like CPT/SJO etc.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:22 am

Wow! I actually missed the news of LH ordering the 789! (And 20 more A359 to boot!) The rock I was under was clearly very comfortable...

I had to do a quick Google search because I was having a "huh?!" moment...

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/eng ... 1be31d4600
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:26 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Could this be bad news for the 748?

That worries me , too. I did read a while ago that they were committed to keep 747-400 till 2022, so 747-8 should stay even longer. On routes the -8 serves right now like ORD, LAX, JFK I don't see a reduction in capacity coming, so she must be safe for quite some time to come.
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:51 am

Joint replacement of LX/LH A340-300s.

When it comes to the 748, I could see LH starting to retire them from 2025.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 9:10 am

Swiss A343 are getting a new cabin and are around 15 years so i will think that these 20 B789 will be placed in Austrian and Lufthansa
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 9:12 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Concerningly for me as a 747 fanboy, their combined orders of 20 779s 31 A359s, and 20 789s seem perfectly situated to replace the A343s, A346s, and 748s one to one with a slight reduction in capacity. Could this be bad news for the 748?
I wouldn't worry too much about the 748 with those figures there, as they also have 744s and 380s to replace, so the numbers for replacement don't equate when you add in their other quads.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 9:18 am

Some 789s will replace AUAs old widebodies, so much is clear. At Lufthansa they will substitute the A343s. The younger A330s also need to be replaced a few years later.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 9:23 am

AECM wrote:
Swiss A343 are getting a new cabin and are around 15 years so i will think that these 20 B789 will be placed in Austrian and Lufthansa

I'm not sure about that. Read somewhere that 2025 would be the start of their phase-out.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 10:06 am

Bhoy wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Concerningly for me as a 747 fanboy, their combined orders of 20 779s 31 A359s, and 20 789s seem perfectly situated to replace the A343s, A346s, and 748s one to one with a slight reduction in capacity. Could this be bad news for the 748?
I wouldn't worry too much about the 748 with those figures there, as they also have 744s and 380s to replace, so the numbers for replacement don't equate when you add in their other quads.

Slightly off topic but I find it amazing that Lufthansa have 71 quadjets in 2019. Other than Emirates does any other airline come close?
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 10:10 am

20 frames are not enough to be splitted around all the LH group brands. If Lufthansa fly them I see they keeping them all, don't see an LH sub-fleet of 10 or 12 789 with such a large long haul network. A split is likely if LH is out of it, so going to LX and OS (8/12 or 10/10).

748's still have a long life ahead of them, 744's and 380's have to leave first and delivery rates of 779's is still to be seen.
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 10:17 am

Chances are we'll see them wearing Austrian, Swiss and Eurowings liveries. The mothership is well covered in this size aircraft and, as mentioned elsewhere, introducing a fleet of just 20 examples seems a bit daft for an airline the size of LH.
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 10:49 am

Fly them straight to the desert and then post it onto A.net to see the frothing and anger it causes :)

I'm not 100% sure LH themselves will take any, to be honest it seems a better fit for LX or OS but if LH themselves do fly it it'll go to thinner Asian and N. American destinations, replacing A333s and A343s. They could start new, thin routes with it but I think it's more likely they'd fly on existing routes.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 11:17 am

There is greater need for the 787-9 at Austrian & Swiss then LH itself. LH has A350-900 and will probably operate all the LH group order. Having Austrian or Swiss with a split A350 and 787 fleet doesn't make sense.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Thu May 23, 2019 11:45 am

At the moment everything is possible:

OS and LX will get the 787-9s
LH gets all
LH and LX get 787s
Additional orders to replace the groups A330s in the long term.

Just a thought: LH has 45 A350 on order and only 20 787s (so far). So it would make more sense to split the A350s within the group rather than the 787. Vienna is a growing market and a A350 could be justified here. Also if OS would get A350s they could become an all Airbus airline (except for the EJets). LX and LH both have or will have much newer 777 fleets than OS - so for them having a mixed 777/787 fleet at FRA and ZRH would make much sense than for the smaller OS having a A320/787 fleet.
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Sat May 25, 2019 5:40 am

Sasha wrote:
That worries me , too. I did read a while ago that they were committed to keep 747-400 till 2022, so 747-8 should stay even longer. On routes the -8 serves right now like ORD, LAX, JFK I don't see a reduction in capacity coming, so she must be safe for quite some time to come.

The 748 to LAX is only for the summer. Rest of the year LH uses the A380 for FRA-LAX. The A380 is used for MUC-LAX in the summer.
LH uses the 744 and 748 for FRA-LAX in the summer months.
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 am

Could they be intended for some Condor fleet replacement once LH has brought them from Thomas Cook Group as rumored?
 
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Re: What will Lufthansa do with their 789s?

Sat May 25, 2019 10:56 pm

speedbird52 wrote:
The 787 has probably been the best thing an airline could wish for. I can't even begin to list the number of routes started or restarted because of the 787. Lufthansa have 20 on order, and I am wondering what they intend to do with them? AFAIK they don't seem like a particularly adventurous airline when it comes to long haul routes. Concerningly for me as a 747 fanboy, their combined orders of 20 779s 31 A359s, and 20 789s seem perfectly situated to replace the A343s, A346s, and 748s one to one with a slight reduction in capacity. Could this be bad news for the 748?


The 789 will be an excellent replacement for any route operated by an A343 or an A333, although the A330 fleet is new and probably won't be replaced for a while. The 779 and A359 will replace the 744 and A346, respectively. LH's 748s and A380s are quite new and will be around for a long time. I'm not concerned about them.
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