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One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:00 pm

What is the current status of one-stop direct flights (in particular by US carriers). Is there still a market for such routes that maybe can't sustain separate nonstop on their own, or is this type of route permanently gone the way of the dodo bird?

It's still done by AC (YYZ-SCL-EZE) and a few European airlines like KL, SN and AF do "triangle" or one-stop flights on African routes.

The most recent to do this I believe were UA to the Middle East, UA's LAX-SYD-MEL and Delta to West Africa - is that right?
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:36 pm

Up until recently AA has MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA. LPB was dropped in favor of nonstop VVI both ways.


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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:44 pm

UA does DEN-DVL-JMS-DEN or it might be DEN-JMS-DVL-DEN, Ive had a few friends take that cool little route. its on a CRJ2
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:53 pm

While US airlines have almost done away with 1-stop or triangular flights, they are still around elsewhere. Off the top of my head:

KL AMS-EZE-SCL
LA SCL-AKL-SYD
NZ AKL-LAX-LHR
EK DXB-GIG-EZE
QR DOH-GRU-EZE
ET ADD-GRU-EZE
TK IST-GRU-EZE
UX MAD-ASU-COR
UX MAD-IGR-ASU
QF BNE-LAX-JFK
CX HKG-YVR-JFK
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:01 pm

UA ATY-PIR-DEN

Plus UA's island hopper route HNL-MAJ-KWA-KSA-PNI-TKK-GUM
 
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One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:04 pm

Let’s not forget the famed IST-HAV-CCS-IST on TK. IB to CCS I believe includes a stop enroute in the Caribbean for the crew to layover (SDQ I believe). After the UX crew scare I think the flight now stops in DR as well. No traffic is carried between DR and Venezuela, just a tech stop.


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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:05 pm

ET also do ADD-GVA-VIE.


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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Like all of the EAS routes...
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:27 pm

There aren't many by U.S. carriers outside of EAS (which exist by government subsidy as evidence of market failure). Most of those cited above are caused by range limitations or hot/high departure constraints.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:38 pm

In Dec 2015 I flew from Addis Ababa to Frankfurt on a Lufthansa A340-600, and only learned it stopped in Jeddah when I checked in. It stopped for about an hour, people got on and off.

I just checked online and that one-stop flight has been replaced by direct flights to Frankfurt from each city.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:07 pm

Ethiopian has a few, due to Bole being hot-and-high. For example, their ADD-DUB-IAD and ADD-DUB-IAD route. I believe South African also once flew JNB-DKR-JFK at one point. For the same reason, Aeromexico flies MEX-TIJ-PVG and MEX-MTY-ICN.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:11 pm

TorontoOne1 wrote:
In Dec 2015 I flew from Addis Ababa to Frankfurt on a Lufthansa A340-600, and only learned it stopped in Jeddah when I checked in. It stopped for about an hour, people got on and off.

I just checked online and that one-stop flight has been replaced by direct flights to Frankfurt from each city.


That is a pretty solid detour for a tech stop.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:07 pm

Doesn't Delta fly Atlanta - Tokyo Narita - Singapore? I guess that counts as a one-stop flight.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:18 pm

Southwest Airlines was well known for its one stops but have they gotten away from doing this over the years?
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:21 pm

Can't believe no one's mentioned BA/QF LHR-SIN-SYD for one stop flights.
Or EK DXB-MXP-JFK
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:24 am

American Airlines (Skywest) operates DFW-MEI-PIB-DFW
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:36 am

There was DL's PDX-NRT-BKK back in the 1980s-1990s, operated with a L1011-500
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:03 pm

Bhoy wrote:
Can't believe no one's mentioned BA/QF LHR-SIN-SYD for one stop flights.
Or EK DXB-MXP-JFK



Yeah but they probably take the halt in both directions so may not qualify as triangle flights.....

I think AI used to do this on DEL-SYD-MEL-DEL route with the 787....maybe they still do....
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:31 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Southwest Airlines was well known for its one stops but have they gotten away from doing this over the years?

AFAIK they still do this as a matter of course, the only carrier really to do so because it's pretty much the only point-to-point carrier. I had the option to fly direct MSY-LAX-OAK last year but opted for DL instead.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:24 pm

Gr8Circle wrote:
Bhoy wrote:
Can't believe no one's mentioned BA/QF LHR-SIN-SYD for one stop flights.
Or EK DXB-MXP-JFK



Yeah but they probably take the halt in both directions so may not qualify as triangle flights.....

I think AI used to do this on DEL-SYD-MEL-DEL route with the 787....maybe they still do....


That AI route was suspended a few years ago to give way to independent DEL-SYD and DEL-MEL on the 788.
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:18 pm

Recently flew on KL's AMS-KGL-EBB-AMS triangle route.

Boarded in KGL and the plane had that messy "been in the air for 8 hours" feel which was odd for first boarding.

During the stopover in EBB was a bit awkward having the cleaners vacuuming and cleaning the plane all around you! But was interesting seeing the 2 air crews replace each other on board.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:47 am

Crackshot wrote:
Ethiopian has a few, due to Bole being hot-and-high. For example, their ADD-DUB-IAD and ADD-DUB-IAD route. I believe South African also once flew JNB-DKR-JFK at one point. For the same reason, Aeromexico flies MEX-TIJ-PVG and MEX-MTY-ICN.


You cite ADD-DUB-IAD twice in a row. Which is the second one supposed to be?
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:59 am

aeromoe wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
Ethiopian has a few, due to Bole being hot-and-high. For example, their ADD-DUB-IAD and ADD-DUB-IAD route. I believe South African also once flew JNB-DKR-JFK at one point. For the same reason, Aeromexico flies MEX-TIJ-PVG and MEX-MTY-ICN.


You cite ADD-DUB-IAD twice in a row. Which is the second one supposed to be?


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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:17 pm

Many more can be listed, BA and KL do several tag-ons between Caribbean islands, KL and TK seem to be fans of triangulars for some reason.

One stop
CA PEK-IAH-PTY
CA PEK-YUL-HAV
LA SCL-MAD-FRA
KL AMS-TPE-MNL
BA LHR-BAH-DMM

Triangle
KL AMS-BOG-CTG-AMS
KL AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS
TK IST-MEX-CUN-IST (starting this summer)
KL AMS-LAD-WDH-AMS
TK IST-BOG-PTY-IST
KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS (also starting later this year)
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764, 789, 732,733,735,737,738,739,
752, 722, 717,74M,DC10,DC9,M82,
M83, M87, M88,310,319,320,321,332,
333, 343, 346,359,388,L1011,CR2,
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:31 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
Many more can be listed, BA and KL do several tag-ons between Caribbean islands, KL and TK seem to be fans of triangulars for some reason.

One stop
CA PEK-IAH-PTY
CA PEK-YUL-HAV
LA SCL-MAD-FRA
KL AMS-TPE-MNL
BA LHR-BAH-DMM

Triangle
KL AMS-BOG-CTG-AMS
KL AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS
TK IST-MEX-CUN-IST (starting this summer)
KL AMS-LAD-WDH-AMS
TK IST-BOG-PTY-IST
KL AMS-SJO-LIR-AMS (also starting later this year)


AMS-LAD-WDH is a one stop and not triangular
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:37 pm

KLM has a bunch of them in the Gulf
Routes like AMS-AUH-MCT-AMS or AMS-BAH-DMM-AMS. I can't remember which ones have been cut/adjusted and which ones are still running. Only DXB is a terminator flight. AUH/BAH/DMM/DOH/MCT are served via a triangular routing.
 
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Re: One-stop or triangle flights by US carriers

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:29 pm

sketch wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
Southwest Airlines was well known for its one stops but have they gotten away from doing this over the years?

AFAIK they still do this as a matter of course, the only carrier really to do so because it's pretty much the only point-to-point carrier. I had the option to fly direct MSY-LAX-OAK last year but opted for DL instead.


Southwest still has tons of "thru" flights with one or more intermediate stops, but what has changed is that they are mostly happenstance now. Back in the 80's and 90's there were all sorts of dedicated 1-stop markets like MCI-TUL-HOU and MDW-IND-MSY. If you wanted to get from Kansas City to Houston it was a 1-stop over Tulsa or Oklahoma City with no change of planes -- schedule after schedule they were out there, but typically no nonstop. The idea was to carry enough thru traffic to support more flights and more hops which may not have justified as much frequency (or even existence) without it. In the last two decades or so Southwest shifted pretty much entirely away from that. There are still tons of thru flights but they are typically only because that's where the plane happens to go next. One schedule period the morning OMA-MDW might go onward to Columbus as a thru-flight. The next schedule period it might go onward to Denver with the same flight number, a mostly worthless thing for Omaha since there are multiple OMA-DEN nonstop and travel time is tripled.. And the next schedule period the aircraft might turn into an MDW-MCI flight with a different flight number. Next time it might continue onward to LaGuarda, a very useful thru. That Southwest offers 1-stop thru flight is somewhat unusual among the big carriers as DL, UA and AA don't do much of it. But what Southwest does is mostly just where the aircraft happens to go, not to a purposeful, durable, intentional 1-stop routing as they once did.

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