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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:38 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Pan Am and TWA had a bunch of Add-on Empty Segments to JFK as well. PA did CLE-IND, CMH-IND, and IND-MCI at different times, TWA did IND-DAY, IND-CVG, and IND-CMH as well. These were not the only ones, either.
There are a bunch more of these that I can recall, but it’s too late an hour to go digging through boxes for the old OAG’s. When I first ran into one of those, it was a wide-eyed wonder, a window onto the world to a curious and adventure-seeking small town teen.


A lot of those routings were dictated by the CAB.

GF

No, these were long after Dereg.


But almost everything listed on here was a "tag" flight that was common until relatively recently. The idea that US Air flew PIT-TOL-FNT-MBS with a 732 might sound crazy today, but that was the business model of yesteryear. Today, with few exceptions, tags are long gone, replaced with direct flights (often with smaller equipment; e.g. regional jets). Even a long-time route like HA's LAX-LAS (later ONT-LAS) with widebody equipment was done to tag to LAS, but again, it's been replaced by direct service.

Consider a recent example of this: WN relied on 2-stop and 3-stop flights until literally the past 10 years or so, when it largely eliminated such itineraries in favor of greater reliance on the hub and spoke system.

Few routes listed on here were truly "crazy."
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:31 pm

compensateme wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

A lot of those routings were dictated by the CAB.

GF

No, these were long after Dereg.


But almost everything listed on here was a "tag" flight that was common until relatively recently. The idea that US Air flew PIT-TOL-FNT-MBS with a 732 might sound crazy today, but that was the business model of yesteryear. Today, with few exceptions, tags are long gone, replaced with direct flights (often with smaller equipment; e.g. regional jets). Even a long-time route like HA's LAX-LAS (later ONT-LAS) with widebody equipment was done to tag to LAS, but again, it's been replaced by direct service.

Consider a recent example of this: WN relied on 2-stop and 3-stop flights until literally the past 10 years or so, when it largely eliminated such itineraries in favor of greater reliance on the hub and spoke system.

Few routes listed on here were truly "crazy."


PA at various times ran the Indy tag over DTW, CLE, CMH, PIT, likely to better utilize the JFK planes. The one that seemed to stick was CLE. It had decent loads much of the time in the mid-80’s. Same for TW when it finally settled on DCA.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:34 pm

Pan Am’s Africa Whistle-stopper was another. Various routings over the years, but JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Lagos-Nairobi in the mid 80’s. Was this an SP?
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:11 pm

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Hughes Airwest flight 4 (as an example). It's listed as Puerto Vallarta to Seattle with seven stops, listed like that in the timetable. An avgeek dream. The first stop isn't even listed...must have been in Mexico, then PHX - SJC - SFO - SMF - EUG - PDX - SEA. Talk about a milk run. Of course, it was simply one flight of a plane for the entire day vs. breaking up the flight numbers but some of those flights would be faster to drive these days.


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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:28 pm

In the 70's msp to mankato to Fairmont to Worthington to fsd on north central and republic airline
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:10 pm

Many of the routes mentioned while exotic, weren't necessarily crazy. Multi-stop routings pairing cities with little traffic between them, or the novelty of say a Belgian airline flying you between Singapore and the Middle East, were pretty common.
Have thought of a few:

Gulf Air in the 90s flew to the US. I don't remember the exact routings, but they were something like this AUH/BAH/DOH-LCA/GVA-JFK-IAH on the A340s. Gulf Air at the time was the flag carrier and had 4 hubs: BAH/AUH/DOH/MCT.
Back then, Emirates didn't yet fly to the US, and EY/QR didn't exist. You had SV, KU, RJ and MS flying from the Middle East to North America.
Malaysia Airlines also had KUL-DXB-JFK/EWR as well in the 90s/early 00s.

MS operated CAI-SIN-SYD on their A340s in the 90s. Back then, most airlines served Australia on their own metal. Airlines like Alitalia, Air France, Egyptair, Gulf Air to name a few all flew down under but have since stopped doing so.

Egyptair used to fly LXR-NRT (and possibly KIX) seasonally to cater to the Japanese tourist market.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:23 pm

Before they retired the Brasilias, SkyWest used to offer SMF-ACV-CEC under the United Express brand. On one hand it seems like kind of an oddball point to point route, not originating from a UA hub and all. On the other hand driving that route involves hours on twisty two lane mountain roads, so I kind of see the reason for that flight.

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JFK-SWF - 11 minutes in the air on a propellor airplane, 44 air miles.


Along similar lines, didn't Continental used to fly EWR-ISP?
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:29 pm

directorguy wrote:
Many of the routes mentioned while exotic, weren't necessarily crazy. Multi-stop routings pairing cities with little traffic between them, or the novelty of say a Belgian airline flying you between Singapore and the Middle East, were pretty common.
Have thought of a few:

Gulf Air in the 90s flew to the US. I don't remember the exact routings, but they were something like this AUH/BAH/DOH-LCA/GVA-JFK-IAH on the A340s. Gulf Air at the time was the flag carrier and had 4 hubs: BAH/AUH/DOH/MCT.
Back then, Emirates didn't yet fly to the US, and EY/QR didn't exist. You had SV, KU, RJ and MS flying from the Middle East to North America.
Malaysia Airlines also had KUL-DXB-JFK/EWR as well in the 90s/early 00s.

MS operated CAI-SIN-SYD on their A340s in the 90s. Back then, most airlines served Australia on their own metal. Airlines like Alitalia, Air France, Egyptair, Gulf Air to name a few all flew down under but have since stopped doing so.

Egyptair used to fly LXR-NRT (and possibly KIX) seasonally to cater to the Japanese tourist market.

MS at one point routed their NYC flight over ARN as well.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:34 pm

LHR-PRG-SVO-ALA-KBL Ariana Afghan Airways, the LHR-PRG sector they chartered a CSA Tu-134, the rest was Ariana's Tu-154. From KBL, most pax were transit to Delhi or Amritar. They got us to board one plane, then when in the air the announced that the Amritsar pax would be given train tickets (overnight?) from Delhi!

I also did Balkan Tu-154 SOF-MLA-LOS-HRE but was disappointed as they had previously used Tripoli rather than Malta.
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:38 pm

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SAA had to take the long way round to Europe as they weren't allowed to fly over most African countries.


I took the non-stop LHR-JNB 'around the bulge' of West Africa in 742 but I think they also had TLV and ATH via the Mediterranian and around the bulge. The majority of flights stopped at least one way at SID (Sal Island in the Cape Verde Islands). I think SAA helped with the airport infrastructure for this.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:31 am

My first ever jet airliner flight was in 1965 on a four-engined Boeing 720B, Western Airlines. We flew LAX-Denver via SAN and PHX. Two stop continuation/through-flight for what today is a two hour nonstop flight.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:40 am

luckyone wrote:
directorguy wrote:
Many of the routes mentioned while exotic, weren't necessarily crazy. Multi-stop routings pairing cities with little traffic between them, or the novelty of say a Belgian airline flying you between Singapore and the Middle East, were pretty common.
Have thought of a few:

Gulf Air in the 90s flew to the US. I don't remember the exact routings, but they were something like this AUH/BAH/DOH-LCA/GVA-JFK-IAH on the A340s. Gulf Air at the time was the flag carrier and had 4 hubs: BAH/AUH/DOH/MCT.
Back then, Emirates didn't yet fly to the US, and EY/QR didn't exist. You had SV, KU, RJ and MS flying from the Middle East to North America.
Malaysia Airlines also had KUL-DXB-JFK/EWR as well in the 90s/early 00s.

MS operated CAI-SIN-SYD on their A340s in the 90s. Back then, most airlines served Australia on their own metal. Airlines like Alitalia, Air France, Egyptair, Gulf Air to name a few all flew down under but have since stopped doing so.

Egyptair used to fly LXR-NRT (and possibly KIX) seasonally to cater to the Japanese tourist market.

MS at one point routed their NYC flight over ARN as well.

My apologies, this should read “MH,” not “MS.”
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:45 am

MEA flying Beirut-Abidjan-Sao Paulo with the 747 and A310 was interesting

Routes between Brazil and the Far East which are mostly gone (except Air China PEK-MAD-GRU) and are somewhat "crazy" for what is seen today

Varig in the 1990s/early 2000s GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT with B743 and MD11, GIG-GRU-LAX-NGO with B743 and MD11. And GIG-GRU-LIM-LAX-NRT with the B743 combi. Before the 747, in the 1970s/80s, the 707 operated via ANC and other points.

Brazilian airline VASP serving GRU-LAX-KIX and and GRU-LAX-SEL with MD11s in the 1990s

JAL operanted in Brazil for decades between HND/NRT and GRU/GIG. In the last years NRT-JFK-GRU with the 744, and before operated via LAX, and I think other points (ANC,HNL?) with 747 classics and 707s.

Korean Air ICN/SEL-LAX-GRU with 744s in the 90s/early 2000s and later returned with the 772.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:24 pm

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GIG-LIS-AMM-SDA by Iraq Airways.
GIG-GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG by Varig.
CCS-(MAD)-DAM-THR by Conviasa.
EZE-CPT-JNB-KUL by Malaysia.
The Fiesta Route by Qantas.


Brazil still has the biggest Arab diaspora outside the middle east (from 9 to 12 million without counting their grandchildren), this route made sense before the 9/11...

The Arab diaspora are located mainly in Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia. In the Eighties, many engineering companies and ENGESA (a military manufacturer) had agreements with Iraq and they flew with Iraq or by Transbrasil's 707 VIP, refurbished just for the ENGESA contracts.

bsbisland wrote:
MEA flying Beirut-Abidjan-Sao Paulo with the 747 and A310 was interesting

Routes between Brazil and the Far East which are mostly gone (except Air China PEK-MAD-GRU) and are somewhat "crazy" for what is seen today

Varig in the 1990s/early 2000s GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT with B743 and MD11, GIG-GRU-LAX-NGO with B743 and MD11. And GIG-GRU-LIM-LAX-NRT with the B743 combi. Before the 747, in the 1970s/80s, the 707 operated via ANC and other points.

Brazilian airline VASP serving GRU-LAX-KIX and and GRU-LAX-SEL with MD11s in the 1990s

JAL operanted in Brazil for decades between HND/NRT and GRU/GIG. In the last years NRT-JFK-GRU with the 744, and before operated via LAX, and I think other points (ANC,HNL?) with 747 classics and 707s.

Korean Air ICN/SEL-LAX-GRU with 744s in the 90s/early 2000s and later returned with the 772.

But, all the routes were profitable and serve the japanese diaspora and business between two countries.

But, a route a bit strange was Vasp's GRU-CMN-ATH in mid nineties.
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:53 pm

A lot of these examples occur due to fifth freedom rights being exercised.

In Canada, it gave rise to flying on some very exotic airlines in unusual airplanes. And I certainly did when I could. Things like flying on an IL-62 from YMX-JFK, (OK and LO), or a VC-10 of BA from YUL-ORD, or B747 from SFO-YVR, (CX and QF). Even some of the change of guage "add ons" out of YUL were kind of odd, like an LY 737 to MIA or SN 737 to ORD!

Heck, one could even fly YYZ-LAX on AF or LY, YUL-MEX on IB, or YVR-MEX on JA!

These fifth freedom rights still exist and still provide enthusiasts the opportunity to fly on foreign carriers. Albeit on more mundane aircraft.

I also recall that AC used to have a daily YVR-HNL-SYD with fifth freedom rights between HNL and SYD. It was kind of ironic that for a while, there was only one daily flight from HNL-SYD ... not on QF nor HA, but AC!
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:16 am

I did GSO-INT on a PI 732 that originated in LGA and routed LGA-ORF-GSO-INT.
Fare was $15 and was used by a lot of people to fly kids for a first flight. Wheels up to down was 9 minutes.
I also rode EA on a 72S MIA-FLL-JAX-ATL-GSP-GSO. You got home any way you could when non-revving.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:27 am

Surprised no one has mentioned Conviasa (apologies if I missed it)
Conviasa flew IKA-DAM-CCS once every week using an A340. This infamous route has been covered in a trip report right here on A.net.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:22 pm

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BOM-DEL-BKK-HKG-KIX/ICN on AI towards the end was on A310 but might have been operated on those other aircraft type too


AI still flies these routes, minus the BKK stop. Current equipment is the 788, but in the past the 310, 319, 77L and 77W have been used.


I know they still fly that route. I frequently fly the hkg-Kix segment. But I was just talking about the time when there was still the stop in bkk.

Had no idea they used the a319 at some point. Flying all the way from BOM to Kix or icn on an a319 with all the stop was probably not so enjoyable
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:16 pm

hoons90 wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
BOM-DEL-BKK-HKG-KIX/ICN on AI towards the end was on A310 but might have been operated on those other aircraft type too


AI still flies these routes, minus the BKK stop. Current equipment is the 788, but in the past the 310, 319, 77L and 77W have been used.


BOM - DEL/CCU - BKK - HKG - TYO/OSA route was flown by AI B707s in the 60s, 70s and upto mid 80s....

In the 60s and 70s AI also used to fly BOM - MAA - SIN - PER - SYD - NAN flights once or twice a week.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:17 pm

blandy62 wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
BOM-DEL-BKK-HKG-KIX/ICN on AI towards the end was on A310 but might have been operated on those other aircraft type too


AI still flies these routes, minus the BKK stop. Current equipment is the 788, but in the past the 310, 319, 77L and 77W have been used.


I know they still fly that route. I frequently fly the hkg-Kix segment. But I was just talking about the time when there was still the stop in bkk.

Had no idea they used the a319 at some point. Flying all the way from BOM to Kix or icn on an a319 with all the stop was probably not so enjoyable

I seriously doubt if the 319 was ever used on that sector.....may have been temporary or one-offs, but not on a regular basis ever...
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:59 pm

Years ago, I surprised my (then boyfriend, now) husband with a weekend getaway to LAS (from LAX). At the time, HA flew the DC10 between the two cities as a tag on.

So I bought the paper ticket and presented him with the ticket jacket. Right up until check in, he thought we were off to Honolulu!
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:31 pm

TWA 847 operated from Cairo to San Diego stopping in Athens, Rome, Boston, and Los Angeles. This flight was hijacked in 1985. I believe there was a change of equipment in Rome and possibly Los Angeles.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:51 pm

JL429 10/1988 747: ITM - NRT - ANC - AMS - CDG
JL433 10/1988 747: ITM - NRT - AMS - HAM - FRA
JL417 10/1988 747: ITM - NRT - ANC - CPH - AMS
JL416 10/1988 747: FCO - CPH - ANC - NRT - ITM

ITM is the old Osaka Itami airport
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:53 pm

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TWA 847 operated from Cairo to San Diego stopping in Athens, Rome, Boston, and Los Angeles. This flight was hijacked in 1985. I believe there was a change of equipment in Rome and possibly Los Angeles.


Correct, however it was not the same plane. It was a 727 on the ATH FCO, an L10 or a 74L on the FCO BOS (had to change plane in BOS, as it was the first port of entry in the U.S.), and an L10 BOS LAX. A never ending trip nonetheless.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:22 pm

Don’t forget in the 80’s lots of Airlines had Tag-ins from Miami to FLL vv. ! Sometimes even on widebodies ( Eastern/Delta/TWA L-1011 several times a Day )
B-717/722/737-200/300/400/500/600/700/800/900/B-747-100/200/400/SP/8i/B-752/3/B-762/3/4/B-772/LR/300ER/B-787-8/-9/DC-10-10/30/L1011-1/500/MD81/82/83/90/A-319/320/321/AB6/312/313/332/333/342/343/346/359/388/TU154/IL18/ATR42/72/DH4/DH3/E145/E170/190/CR2/7/9
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:26 pm

Gr8Circle wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
hoons90 wrote:

AI still flies these routes, minus the BKK stop. Current equipment is the 788, but in the past the 310, 319, 77L and 77W have been used.


I know they still fly that route. I frequently fly the hkg-Kix segment. But I was just talking about the time when there was still the stop in bkk.

Had no idea they used the a319 at some point. Flying all the way from BOM to Kix or icn on an a319 with all the stop was probably not so enjoyable

I seriously doubt if the 319 was ever used on that sector.....may have been temporary or one-offs, but not on a regular basis ever...


I believe it was for a very short amount of time in the summer of 2012 when there were pilot strikes at AI.
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:23 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
AirAfreak wrote:
Austrian Airlines IAD-GVA-VIE A310
Swissair IAD-PHL-ZRH 743
Swissair ZRH-BOM-HKG-SEL MD11
DELTA AGS-SAV MD80
USAirways Express SAV-JAX DH8
AEROFLOT SVO-FNJ IL86
AEROFLOT IAD-SNN-SVO IL86
DELTA DUB-SNN 767
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS EWR-JFK ATR42
BRITISH AIRWAYS ANC-FUK 767
KOREAN AIR ICN-NBO 330
AIR INDIA EWR-CDG EQV
CONTINENTAL ATL-HHH MD80
UNITED EXPRESS LAX-ONT EMB


No way did CO fly in/out of Hilton Head with a Mad Dog. There is 4300’ of runway, since expanded. DL DUB-SNN is probably for parking as are some others here, like SYD-CBR.

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You are correct and I made the mistake. I should have inserted the DC9S code instead of MD80.

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Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:57 pm

ABZ to IAH in..... I wanna say 2007/8 ...
Was provided by a British regional in Scotland who mostly served regional oil route traffic in the north sea area. They explored connecting to Houston which on paper looks...kind of logical... but then I believe the recession and other factors caused the airline to ultimately fold.
I want to say it was operated on Boeing equipment. .. possibly a 757 in a business class layout.

I always thought the New Zealand to US flights by QF were interesting, as well as the NZ 767 fights to the US that went thru ... I believe, Apia? Honolulu? And research would be needed but I'm sure there was a link to LAX with NZ that stopped in Raratonga ...and pretty much as recently as the late nineties, earlier 00s.

What else. ..

RIX to JFK with Uzbekistan was interesting in the mid 00's

some people still don't know that BHX had / has service to Ashgabat with T5 on everything from 757, 738 and 77L... This route has at least been operating pretty much continuously since 2000 as this was when I first started working for Servisair at BHX.

Uzbek served BHX from TAS and JFK. The BHXJFKBHX route was popular with low fare city break vacationers ... it was served with A310, 763 or 752 equipment. Depending on day.

for a while Kyrgyz AND Tajikistan (yes that's right) served BHX from Bishkek and Dushanbe respectively. The latter with TU154 equipment and the former wIth A320 equipment.

There's my little trip down memory lane. Feel free to flesh out or correct the Pacific routes I mentioned.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:56 pm

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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:27 am

Love this thread. Well here are two based that I can think of from my Braniff and Northwest Orient obsessed mind:

Northwest Orient 392 (1972) - Seattle-Spokane-Butte-Bozeman-Billings-Jamestown-MSP-Milwaukee-Detroit-Washington National (Not going to look up all the codes for Jamestown?!)

Braniff 252 (1976) - Shreveport-Fort Smith-Tulsa-Kansas City-Chicago

Great milk runs. No wonder Northwest Orient had a reputation for always being late into DTW in the early 1970s. Braniff had some whoppers in South America, too, as I recall a Buenos Aires to Miami flight with four stops on a Friday. Love that!

One extra: PSA SAN-LGB way back whenever.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:44 am

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ABZ to IAH in..... I wanna say 2007/8 ...
Was provided by a British regional in Scotland who mostly served regional oil route traffic in the north sea area. They explored connecting to Houston which on paper looks...kind of logical... but then I believe the recession and other factors caused the airline to ultimately fold.
I want to say it was operated on Boeing equipment. .. possibly a 757 in a business class layout.

I always thought the New Zealand to US flights by QF were interesting, as well as the NZ 767 fights to the US that went thru ... I believe, Apia? Honolulu? And research would be needed but I'm sure there was a link to LAX with NZ that stopped in Raratonga ...and pretty much as recently as the late nineties, earlier 00s.

What else. ..

RIX to JFK with Uzbekistan was interesting in the mid 00's

some people still don't know that BHX had / has service to Ashgabat with T5 on everything from 757, 738 and 77L... This route has at least been operating pretty much continuously since 2000 as this was when I first started working for Servisair at BHX.

Uzbek served BHX from TAS and JFK. The BHXJFKBHX route was popular with low fare city break vacationers ... it was served with A310, 763 or 752 equipment. Depending on day.

for a while Kyrgyz AND Tajikistan (yes that's right) served BHX from Bishkek and Dushanbe respectively. The latter with TU154 equipment and the former wIth A320 equipment.

There's my little trip down memory lane. Feel free to flesh out or correct the Pacific routes I mentioned.


There was nothing odd about QF flying AKL-LAX, they also flew AKL-PPT and AKL-EZE in the late 1990s early 2000s. NZ also flew SYD-LAX non stop.

NZ to LAX via the pacific ‘coral route’ was a hang over from the DC8 days, there was less demand back then and aircraft until the 742 didn’t have the range to do AKL-LAX non stop, PPT/RAR/TBU/NAN/HNL were all stopovers with various routings over the years, they also flew briefly at times AKL-PPT/HNL-DFW-LGW-FRA, HNL-YVR, LAX-FRA.

They still fly a weekly RAR-LAX and RAR-SYD with a subsidy to cover any losses.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:37 am

Which was the QF route through Tahiti and Acapulco?
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:52 am

blandy62 wrote:
BOM-DEL-BKK-HKG-KIX/ICN on AI towards the end was on A310 but might have been operated on those other aircraft type too


The Boeing 707s operated these routes in the 60s, 70s and up to mid 80s, after which they were continued by the A310s...…

The 707s also used to fly some weird routes like:

BOM-DEL/CCU-BKK-HKG-TYO/OSA (60s to 80s)
BOM-MAA-SIN-PER-SYD-NAN (60s to 70s)
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:15 am

Delta777Jet wrote:
Don’t forget in the 80’s lots of Airlines had Tag-ins from Miami to FLL vv. ! Sometimes even on widebodies ( Eastern/Delta/TWA L-1011 several times a Day )


These existed until around 2000 at least. DL had a late evening 757 ATL-MIA-FLL.

TW had some Saturday west coast tag ons in the late 1990s. They’d combine two flights on that day. You had stuff like STL-SFO-SJC and STL-ONT-SNA.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:17 am

seat1a wrote:
Love this thread. Well here are two based that I can think of from my Braniff and Northwest Orient obsessed mind:

Northwest Orient 392 (1972) - Seattle-Spokane-Butte-Bozeman-Billings-Jamestown-MSP-Milwaukee-Detroit-Washington National (Not going to look up all the codes for Jamestown?!)

Braniff 252 (1976) - Shreveport-Fort Smith-Tulsa-Kansas City-Chicago

Great milk runs. No wonder Northwest Orient had a reputation for always being late into DTW in the early 1970s. Braniff had some whoppers in South America, too, as I recall a Buenos Aires to Miami flight with four stops on a Friday. Love that!

One extra: PSA SAN-LGB way back whenever.


PSA also did BUR-SAN, ONT-SAN, and of course LAX-SAN (The segment that PSA 182 was on). Air California had SNA-SAN and I think also ONT-SAN.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:22 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
seat1a wrote:
Love this thread. Well here are two based that I can think of from my Braniff and Northwest Orient obsessed mind:

Northwest Orient 392 (1972) - Seattle-Spokane-Butte-Bozeman-Billings-Jamestown-MSP-Milwaukee-Detroit-Washington National (Not going to look up all the codes for Jamestown?!)

Braniff 252 (1976) - Shreveport-Fort Smith-Tulsa-Kansas City-Chicago

Great milk runs. No wonder Northwest Orient had a reputation for always being late into DTW in the early 1970s. Braniff had some whoppers in South America, too, as I recall a Buenos Aires to Miami flight with four stops on a Friday. Love that!

One extra: PSA SAN-LGB way back whenever.


PSA also did BUR-SAN, ONT-SAN, and of course LAX-SAN (The segment that PSA 182 was on). Air California had SNA-SAN and I think also ONT-SAN.


SAN_BUR? wonder if that would work today? Thanks for the information!
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:34 am

my only time on the "queen of the skies "was in oct/nov 97 from CDG to MAN on CX , it was an early flight so slept at CDG as i live down near lyon ,i can't remember but would it of done Hong Kong direct to CDG?
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:10 pm

F9Animal wrote:
I always found the Alaska milk run to be a crazy route. I am pretty sure they still do it?


Most of those routes are lifelines to the outside world for the people living in those villages. Many places are not connected via roadways, so the planes bring in and out not only people, but food and supplies as well.
 
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Re: Craziest Airline Routes from the Past?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:28 pm

This one here from the late 80’s can be considered eye opening....

Continental from Newark to Nantucket....departing on Friday nights only on a 737-300. The plane would remained parked on the island until it was scheduled to run the return to Newark on Sunday night. It was said that this was operated so that Frank Lorenzo could get out to his beach house on the island. Regular commuter prop flights operated frequently throughout the day all week despite that.

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