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Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:05 pm

So,JAL received their first A359 which they will operate on the NRT-FUK route which seems a bit excessive since JAPAN is an island. Why do they operate WB aircraft on domestic routes when they could just operate normal NB aircraft?


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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:14 pm

Because of the very high domestic flight demand. There are also several other airlines from other countries which fly widebodies on short domestic routes sometimes such as Lufthansa
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:17 pm

It’s the high density population coupled with the short distances intertwined with very long haul. Most of the time if you have a long haul aircraft flying 20 hours of the day, it just sits the other four because the domestic flights are too long to fit in the 4 leftover hours. The distances are so short in Japan that they can fit them in.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:46 pm

mr02 wrote:
So,JAL received their first A359 which they will operate on the NRT-FUK route which seems a bit excessive since JAPAN is an island. Why do they operate WB aircraft on domestic routes when they could just operate normal NB aircraft?


https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... t-a350-900


Correction Japan is 6852 islands. Sometimes despite Shinkansens flying is the only way to travel.

And Japanese airlines have dedicated widebodies for domestic flights (packed like a can of sardines). Japan is unlike any other market, domestic widebodies work cos of densely populated cities across islands with high disposable income and no other quick means of transport.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:48 pm

enilria wrote:
It’s the high density population coupled with the short distances intertwined with very long haul. Most of the time if you have a long haul aircraft flying 20 hours of the day, it just sits the other four because the domestic flights are too long to fit in the 4 leftover hours. The distances are so short in Japan that they can fit them in.


But this doesn't explain why both NH and JL have high-density WB (772, 773, 787) fleet dedicated to domestic service. Those high-density aircrafts were never used on, and do not have the range for, long-haul routes.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:56 pm

ANA operates a ton of widebodies as well.

HND-FUK/CTS/KMJ/HIJ, ITM-CTS/OKA and more are operated on a mix of 767/777/787 variants.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:02 pm

Because they can fill up those widebodies. Every domestic 777 and 767 I've been on in Japan was full in all classes. Even in a market such as Tokyo-Osaka where the Shinkansen is more competitive (with trains almost every 7 minutes) there are still numerous widebodies on it daily.

JL does use narrowbodies on routes to smaller cities such as Matsuyama, Nagasaki etc.
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:10 pm

HND, ITM and FUK are all heavily slot restricted.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:13 pm

American, Delta and United do it in the states. South African do it too. QANTAS does it in Australia. Saudi do it, British Airways used to, need we go on. If an airline flies wide bodies regularly domestically there must be a reason and that’s because it works for them.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:22 pm

fromheretohere9 wrote:
American, Delta and United do it in the states. South African do it too. QANTAS does it in Australia. Saudi do it, British Airways used to, need we go on. If an airline flies wide bodies regularly domestically there must be a reason and that’s because it works for them.


That's true, for all those airlines. However, I don't think any of them do it as frequently has JAL/ANA.

Look at HND-FUK for Sunday from 6:15 A.M. to 8:00 P.M.

I'm seeing around 55 total flights.

There are about 32 of those on widebody aircraft with a mix of 763/772/787.

That's just one route...

For HND-CTS, I'm seeing around 65 flights for Sunday from 6:10 A.M. to 8:30 A.M.

About 44 of those are widebody. A mix of 763/772/773

Those are just two of the many domestic routes seeing widebody service...
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:27 pm

fromheretohere9 wrote:
American, Delta and United do it in the states. South African do it too. QANTAS does it in Australia. Saudi do it, British Airways used to, need we go on. If an airline flies wide bodies regularly domestically there must be a reason and that’s because it works for them.


What distinguishes JAL and ANA is that they use specially designed, high-density, domestic-only widebodies. JAL's domestic 773 has 10 abreast Y, for example.
Most of the other airlines you mentioned don't have them.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:34 pm

emuwarveteran wrote:
Because of the very high domestic flight demand. There are also several other airlines from other countries which fly widebodies on short domestic routes sometimes such as Lufthansa


Lufthansa does this close to never. We did see 747 and 340 after the bankruptcy of Air Berlin on domestic routes in Germany but that’s not being practiced anymore.
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:39 pm

Air Europa flies the A330 BCN-MAD in peak season.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:55 pm

There's too many of this "why does this happen" posts going on lately. I have been on this forum 20 years, and
I will say I think some of the changes caused issues for longer term members adjusting but there's still a search
engine.

Using a wide body on a short haul Japanese route is no different to Thai Airways sending a 777 between BKK and SIN.
Before the Eurostar BA regularly took the Tristar on the 500KM trip from LHR to CDG. It was simply a case of the aircraft
is meeting demand and although designed for long haul, it was sitting doing nothing for half the day before returning
to the Americas. Cathay did the same thing. JAL used to have dedicated 747s specifically before the bullet trains
expanded. The entire QF 767-300ER fleet ended up as domestic shuttles bar HNL.

I encourage the posters enthusiasm to learn as much about what is probably the most interesting industry on earth,
but id also suggest you use the search engine for basic stuff. But if you want to know more complex stuff like
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:00 pm

WBs flying domestic is really common in Asia. Main trunk routes in Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, and China among other places are frequently flown by such planes. Like PR and 5J flying A330s (and 747s when PR still had them) from MNL to CEB/DVO/GES, TG flying their widebodies from BKK to HKT and CNX, several airlines flying CGK-DPS or CGK-SUB, and VN flying WBs on HAN-SGN. IIRC it's common in China as well, in the last China Southern even flew their A380s on domestic flights.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:06 pm

Before the 767,777 and 787 there were ANA L-1011 & 747SR and JAL Dc-10-40 and 747SR of every type Boeing ever made. Widebody jets have been used in Japan since they began in the ear 1970's.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:30 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
WBs flying domestic is really common in Asia. Main trunk routes in Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, and China among other places are frequently flown by such planes. Like PR and 5J flying A330s (and 747s when PR still had them) from MNL to CEB/DVO/GES, TG flying their widebodies from BKK to HKT and CNX, several airlines flying CGK-DPS or CGK-SUB, and VN flying WBs on HAN-SGN. IIRC it's common in China as well, in the last China Southern even flew their A380s on domestic flights.


For China it is mainly on flights between PEK, SHA, and CAN or SZX (or HKG), along with PEK-CTU. Those routes are pretty much 100% A330.

For the OP - just keep in mind that despite 50+ flights on routes like HND-FUK and HND-CTS, majority of them on widebodies, load factors on those flights are something like 75-80%. During peak hours those flights are 100% full.

On another side note, you only see large number of widebodies out of Tokyo anyway. ITM, for example, is E90 heaven for JL and Q400 heaven for NH. Also, remember, there are 37M people in Greater Tokyo, which is more than a fair amount of European countries.
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:56 pm

I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?
 
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:02 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?


Correct given that most domestic flights are under 2h, in economy it's usually just a drink service of tea. Passengers can buy a variety of bento boxes and other food in the terminal.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:04 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?


JAL serves meals in domestic First, and ANA serves meals in domestic Premium class.
Y class passengers get beverage service, including Consomme soup in a paper cup, which isn't a meal according to Seinfeld.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:22 am

Why do you suppose? One if my mom's fav retorts.....
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:48 am

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Correction Japan is 6852 islands.


Interesting factoid but for relevance, how many of the 6,852 islands are populated by over 100 persons?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:29 am

hoons90 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?


JAL serves meals in domestic First, and ANA serves meals in domestic Premium class.
Y class passengers get beverage service, including Consomme soup in a paper cup, which isn't a meal according to Seinfeld.


All of a sudden, it makes our US Carriers look good, considering the world's top airlines do similar things on domestic flights.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:34 am

hoons90 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?


JAL serves meals in domestic First, and ANA serves meals in domestic Premium class.
Y class passengers get beverage service, including Consomme soup in a paper cup, which isn't a meal according to Seinfeld.


JL "class J" only provides beverages as well. It is more like US E+.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:13 am

Japan is densely populated (it's the size of California, but with a population of nearly 127 million), and there aren't enough slots to go around even operating these routes as frequent shuttles (Tokyo/Yokahoma and the area around it alone have nearly 37 million residents). A lot of these flights also function to bring commuters to and from Tokyo (Haneda being just 20 minutes from downtown) for work each day.

The A359 domestic planes are replacing the B772s (non-ER), and I would be surprised if they didn't replace the B773s as well.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:15 am

edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Correction Japan is 6852 islands.


Interesting factoid but for relevance, how many of the 6,852 islands are populated by over 100 persons?


Sometimes google can be your friend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... an_by_area
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:19 am

Can we add that Tokyo and Fukuoka aren’t on the same island? Fukuoka is the largest city on the island of Kyushu (Tokyo on Honshu). The train takes 5-6 hours. Driving, 13hrs, with what are certain to be high tolls. Throw in Japan’s population density and you have your answer about why the Japanese airlines have been flying domestic widebodies for over forty years.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:27 am

hoons90 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I was told domestic flights in Japan do not contain meal service today. Is that true?


JAL serves meals in domestic First, and ANA serves meals in domestic Premium class.
Y class passengers get beverage service, including Consomme soup in a paper cup, which isn't a meal according to Seinfeld.


In China, flights as short as 2 hours can receive simple meal boxes and hot entrees, even in economy class. However, since CAAC bans service for 50 minutes in air for safety reasons, do not expect anything more than a bottle of drink on hauls shorter than 1 hour 20 minutes. I guess the 40 minutes difference of flight time make a really considerable impact on the service received.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:33 am

The flights are pretty full in early morning and early evening, as business people are doing the day trip between major cities. But in other hours and on weekends, they can be quite empty. I have been on a ANA flight on Saturday morning from HND to CTS, and it's a 500-seat 773 with about only 100 people on it. But the capacity is needed for the peak hours.

Besides China and Japan, where you see WBs being used on domestic flights, actually more than half of the hourly Air Canada flights between Vancouver and Toronto are operated by WBs, where you see a mix of 400-seat 77W, 77L, 788 and 789 operating them. They are quite full too actually.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:48 am

JAL probably still holds the world's single aircraft disaster record of over 500 deaths in a 747 over 30yrs ago on a domestic flight between Tokyo & Osaka.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:08 am

mr02 wrote:
So,JAL received their first A359 which they will operate on the NRT-FUK route which seems a bit excessive since JAPAN is an island. Why do they operate WB aircraft on domestic routes when they could just operate normal NB aircraft?


https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... t-a350-900


You do know at one point both JL and NH had high density 747D aircraft that made short haul domestic flights right? Japan was "747 central" (both domestic and international). Something like 1 in every 5 747s ever built made their way through HND or NRT. It's not excessive if there is a demand which apparently there is. Yes people can and do take the trains but when Japan has 45 of the top 51 busiest train stations in the world (including the top 23) then you know you shouldn't rely on trains 100%. If it was excessive then the airlines wouldn't have done it for so long. They're in the business to make money after all. BTW what does Japan being an island have anything to do with anything? That island has ~130 million people with the 3rd largest economy.
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:39 am

Why don't they just get the A380? It would ease the congestion.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:37 am

sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:


Interesting factoid but for relevance, how many of the 6,852 islands are populated by over 100 persons?


Sometimes google can be your friend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... an_by_area

So, basically less than 40 of the 6,852 islands have a population of more than 100. So, what was the relevance of throwing the 6,852 number?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:43 am

mr02 wrote:
Why don't they just get the A380? It would ease the congestion.


When they're packing 500+ seats into 777s there's no need. 4 engines for short domestic hops in this day and age of higher fuel prices and more concern for global warming, it would be a huge economic and PR loss.

Likewise HND is not A380 compatible currently, few Japanese airports are.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:58 am

edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Interesting factoid but for relevance, how many of the 6,852 islands are populated by over 100 persons?


Sometimes google can be your friend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_i ... an_by_area

So, basically less than 40 of the 6,852 islands have a population of more than 100. So, what was the relevance of throwing the 6,852 number?


Calling Japan "an island" is taking away an important factor, there is a lot of inter-island travel and that is no option but to fly (Yes there are ferries, but those are really slow). Indonesia will be similar once it develops.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:58 am

Not only JAL, ANA does do it on Domestic but among some other Asian airlines do it on domestic flights as well like Korean, Vietnam etc
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:11 pm

sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:

So, basically less than 40 of the 6,852 islands have a population of more than 100. So, what was the relevance of throwing the 6,852 number?


Calling Japan "an island" is taking away an important factor, there is a lot of inter-island travel and that is no option but to fly (Yes there are ferries, but those are really slow). Indonesia will be similar once it develops.


Not quite true about “no option but to fly”. Unlike Indonesia or Philippines, the 4 Japanese main islands are linked via bridges or tunnels. Ok, Hokkaido only has a rail-only tunnel, but that’s still an option outside of flying.

The only larger island that you have to fly to is Okinawa (the main island). The other outlying islands doesn’t have a large population, and receive zero widebodies from Tokyo/Osaka/Nagoya. (Ok, I think Ishigaki does get a daily 767 from HND).

Ultimately, 37M people in Greater Tokyo is 37M people. Nothing in “core” Europe come close to that (and even Istanbul or Moscow are maybe half that), nor US other than maybe NYC and LA (and not surprisingly, you do see some WBs on JFK-LAX).
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:27 pm

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Because they can fill up those widebodies. Every domestic 777 and 767 I've been on in Japan was full in all classes. Even in a market such as Tokyo-Osaka where the Shinkansen is more competitive (with trains almost every 7 minutes) there are still numerous widebodies on it daily.

JL does use narrowbodies on routes to smaller cities such as Matsuyama, Nagasaki etc.


I used to go for work to Osaka frequently with my Japanese colleagues joining from our Tokyo office. They would either fly or take Shinkansen depending on where they came from. From their office Shinkansen was faster, from their homes flying was faster. They never had reservations to go back: just go to the airport, buy a ticket like you would buy a train ticket and if its full, just take the next flight. Same as for train.
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:46 pm

mintxwb wrote:
enilria wrote:
It’s the high density population coupled with the short distances intertwined with very long haul. Most of the time if you have a long haul aircraft flying 20 hours of the day, it just sits the other four because the domestic flights are too long to fit in the 4 leftover hours. The distances are so short in Japan that they can fit them in.


But this doesn't explain why both NH and JL have high-density WB (772, 773, 787) fleet dedicated to domestic service. Those high-density aircrafts were never used on, and do not have the range for, long-haul routes.

In those cases I think the answer is a lot of population and very few slots.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:27 pm

enilria wrote:
In those cases I think the answer is a lot of population and very few slots.


I sort of have to argue against the "very few slots" part. What else can JL/NH do on routes like HND-FUK/CTS anyway? They already operate a flight every hour (or less...sometimes 45 mins), and between them, a flight every 30 mins or so. This exclude flights operated by the like of Skymark or Air Do/Starflyer/Solaseed/etc. (The latter group all codeshare with NH).

mr02 wrote:
Why don't they just get the A380? It would ease the congestion.


Just saw this. But essentially, b/c JL/NH (or CN4 in China, etc.) can only fill about 300 seats per flight on average, but not 600? Japanese carriers had also been downgauging for awhile. The 500 seats 773 are actually not all that common anyway, being flown (by both JL and NH) mostly to OKA. NH had also replace old 767 with A321 on many of the "secondary" route instead of 100% upgauging to B788/789.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:27 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Besides China and Japan, where you see WBs being used on domestic flights, actually more than half of the hourly Air Canada flights between Vancouver and Toronto are operated by WBs, where you see a mix of 400-seat 77W, 77L, 788 and 789 operating them. They are quite full too actually.

And the US3 have some widebody service for at least some of their hub-hub traffic (some of which happens to be LAX-NYC). UA has widebody service on LAX-EWR and SFO-ORD, DL has widebody service LAX-ATL and LAX-JFK, AA has widebody service DFW-ORD... and those are just the ones I've seen in my own travels and searching.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:59 am

Same reason QF uses A330s on east cost domestic routes in Australia - demand.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:16 am

Ishrion wrote:
fromheretohere9 wrote:
American, Delta and United do it in the states. South African do it too. QANTAS does it in Australia. Saudi do it, British Airways used to, need we go on. If an airline flies wide bodies regularly domestically there must be a reason and that’s because it works for them.


That's true, for all those airlines. However, I don't think any of them do it as frequently has JAL/ANA.

Look at HND-FUK for Sunday from 6:15 A.M. to 8:00 P.M.

I'm seeing around 55 total flights.

There are about 32 of those on widebody aircraft with a mix of 763/772/787.

That's just one route...

For HND-CTS, I'm seeing around 65 flights for Sunday from 6:10 A.M. to 8:30 A.M.

About 44 of those are widebody. A mix of 763/772/773

Those are just two of the many domestic routes seeing widebody service...


Busiest Japan domestic flight should be HND-Naha
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:44 am

I flew ANA Boeing 777-300 between Tokyo and Osaka. Basically a 1 hour 30 minutes flight … Could have taken the train, but as an aviation enthusiast it was an easy choice … :-)
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:22 am

mr02 wrote:
Why don't they just get the A380? It would ease the congestion.


Many Japanese airports cannot handle the A380, and it wouldn't be cost effective to upgrade them.

Also, you'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul. How does replacing a 300 seater with a 600 seater "ease congestion"? It creates more congestion at the O&D. It's 300 more passengers! That's assuming you can actually fill it, which isn't necessarily true just because you can fill a plane half the size.
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Re: Why does JAL operate WB aircraft on domestic routes?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:37 pm

I have a couple of questions:

-Why can't A380s use Runway A, B or D at HND?
-If Haneda is consistently growing, and will have slots available in the future, then why is the wake turbulence argument made? I thought wake turbulence problems were more for airports that have been consistently at 100% capacity for decades, and will not have room to expand perhaps ever (like LHR). But HND has room for expansion, surely they can fit an A380 or two in there.

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