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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:10 pm

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I was terrified of the A300. I hated taking it. I also had the DC10



May I ask why ?
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:40 pm

Mortyman wrote:
mop357 wrote:
I was terrified of the A300. I hated taking it. I also had the DC10



May I ask why ?


Growing up in NYC I was terrified to fly after 9/11. Then I remember the airbus crashing in NYC a few months after 9/11. I know it had rudder issues so that scared me even more knowing the airplane had a flaw. From what I heard the rudder issues continued to be a problem for the remainder of the life of that plane.
Keep in mind I was young and didn’t know as much as I do now. At times it was quite comical. I remember taken it from MIA to JFK and panicking when the plane turned and hit turbulence after takeoff. I have conquered my fear of flying and would even fly on the max again.
As for the DC10 I don’t think I need to explain that one too much.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:47 pm

The PRM1. An ugly stubby bizjet with engines too small for its size.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:30 am

CRJ series and 50 seat ERJ. Feels cramped and claustrophobic. Plus the overhead bins are far too small - even my bagpack can't fit.
737MAX - has an inherently unstable design
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:17 am

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Atr42.


Curious, which ATR 42 variant? 4 or 6-bladed propellers?


Six, it was a very well used Air Baltic bird. Was in the front third of seats, it was a combi, I believe.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:13 am

ExpatVet wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:
Atr42.


Curious, which ATR 42 variant? 4 or 6-bladed propellers?


Six, it was a very well used Air Baltic bird. Was in the front third of seats, it was a combi, I believe.


Air Baltic never had ATRs and there never was a 42-500 combi (not to mention, ATR combi's put the cargo in the front third, not rear).

Either you were on a Fokker 50 (ex-Air Baltic) or you were mistaken about the former operator of the aircraft and you were on a rattly and noisy old 4-bladed 42-300/320 (those are really noisy).
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:36 am

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Unpopular opinion: 777

Incredibly noisy air con and lots of airframe noise.



This. I make darn sure I have my earplugs with me whenever I fly on one of those. Just deafening and such an enormous contrast with AB widebodies. When it comes to economics, Boeing is king. But for ergonomics they have a long way to go, even the 789 was a disappointning experience.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:49 am

In my opinion, there is no such "least favourite aircraft type"! Only "least favourite airline" - a B767 can be wonderful, but if you have 3-4-3 seating it's a nightmare, same goes to the A330 with a 3-3-3 configuration.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:18 am

debonair wrote:
In my opinion, there is no such "least favourite aircraft type"! Only "least favourite airline" - a B767 can be wonderful, but if you have 3-4-3 seating it's a nightmare, same goes to the A330 with a 3-3-3 configuration.


I don't think 3-4-3 is physically possible on the 767! :D

But I agree, 2-4-2 on the 767 and 3-3-3 on the A330 are dreadful but 2-3-2 on the 767 is great.

BUT the CRJ (especially 200) is a dreadful, dreadful aircraft. Cramped and with no space for any luggage.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:08 pm

VSMUT wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Curious, which ATR 42 variant? 4 or 6-bladed propellers?


Six, it was a very well used Air Baltic bird. Was in the front third of seats, it was a combi, I believe.


Air Baltic never had ATRs and there never was a 42-500 combi (not to mention, ATR combi's put the cargo in the front third, not rear).

Either you were on a Fokker 50 (ex-Air Baltic) or you were mistaken about the former operator of the aircraft and you were on a rattly and noisy old 4-bladed 42-300/320 (those are really noisy).


My bad - sk1257, SAS. (mixed up my airlines, sorry!) It was a strange layout for me, this was my first atr flight. There was a large section in front that looked like it was walled off with a small passageway for crew, I thought it was a combi. ES-ATD, I think. I may be misremembering but it was the 5th of March this year, if you have Flightradar24 subscription you can correct me on this. Definitely not a Fokker.

Edit: do my homework, it was an ATR 72, not 42. Whoops! The noise and vibration obviously conspiring to give me brain damage!!! :D

I mean, it's not like I wrote it in my signature or anything! (Oh yes I did, all I had to do was look down)
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:15 pm

ExpatVet wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:

Six, it was a very well used Air Baltic bird. Was in the front third of seats, it was a combi, I believe.


Air Baltic never had ATRs and there never was a 42-500 combi (not to mention, ATR combi's put the cargo in the front third, not rear).

Either you were on a Fokker 50 (ex-Air Baltic) or you were mistaken about the former operator of the aircraft and you were on a rattly and noisy old 4-bladed 42-300/320 (those are really noisy).


My bad - sk1257, SAS. (mixed up my airlines, sorry!) It was a strange layout for me, this was my first atr flight. There was a large section in front that looked like it was walled off with a small passageway for crew, I thought it was a combi. ES-ATD, I think. I may be misremembering but it was the 5th of March this year, if you have Flightradar24 subscription you can correct me on this. Definitely not a Fokker.

Edit: do my homework, it was an ATR 72, not 42. Whoops! The noise and vibration obviously conspiring to give me brain damage!!! :D

I mean, it's not like I wrote it in my signature or anything! (Oh yes I did, all I had to do was look down)


That makes more sense! I actually flew ES-ETD 2 weeks ago myself.

The trick with ATRs (and probably all turboprops) is to sit as far back as possible. The rear of the -72 is less noisy than a 737 ;)

The big cargo door up in the front is for the standard forward cargo bay fitted to almost all ATRs. Very convenient. Also makes it attractive for cargo and combi conversions, since you already have a massive door!

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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:32 pm

VSMUT wrote:
ExpatVet wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Air Baltic never had ATRs and there never was a 42-500 combi (not to mention, ATR combi's put the cargo in the front third, not rear).

Either you were on a Fokker 50 (ex-Air Baltic) or you were mistaken about the former operator of the aircraft and you were on a rattly and noisy old 4-bladed 42-300/320 (those are really noisy).


My bad - sk1257, SAS. (mixed up my airlines, sorry!) It was a strange layout for me, this was my first atr flight. There was a large section in front that looked like it was walled off with a small passageway for crew, I thought it was a combi. ES-ATD, I think. I may be misremembering but it was the 5th of March this year, if you have Flightradar24 subscription you can correct me on this. Definitely not a Fokker.

Edit: do my homework, it was an ATR 72, not 42. Whoops! The noise and vibration obviously conspiring to give me brain damage!!! :D

I mean, it's not like I wrote it in my signature or anything! (Oh yes I did, all I had to do was look down)


That makes more sense! I actually flew ES-ETD 2 weeks ago myself.

The trick with ATRs (and probably all turboprops) is to sit as far back as possible. The rear of the -72 is less noisy than a 737 ;)

The big cargo door up in the front is for the standard forward cargo bay fitted to almost all ATRs. Very convenient. Also makes it attractive for cargo and combi conversions, since you already have a massive door!

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Small world! :) Many thanks for the explanation, the image is broken but I'll take your word for it. I find the Q400 much quieter and can sit anywhere I like, so more fool me for not doing my homework.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:20 pm

CRJ-200 and -700. I find the -900 is okay, at least better than its smaller siblings. I like the ERJ's if I can grab an A seat; otherwise, I'm not a fan. I was never a fan of the Saab 340s. As for larger jets, while I try to avoid it, because of my home airport (MCI), Delta's 737-900ER is sometimes unavoidable, and I have found I don't like flying in the Main Cabin. AA's 319 was no picnic a couple of months ago MCI-PHX and the return.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:22 am

My least favorite is 757.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 pm

Bombardier Crash-8. Hate that lawnmower. Cramped and noisy.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:51 pm

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CR2, but fortunately the flights aren't long. 787 in coach, and I'm not even a big person. Big windows low altitude yadda yadda. Sardine can.


Totally agree, I always dread flying the 787 because I feel so squeezed in. Last year I flew AA from LHR-CLT on the A330 then returned ORD-LHR 5 days later on the 787 and the difference was huge. In business the 787 was the best because of the massive window. I have never flown the 777 in 10 abreast, always seems to be 9 or premium cabins, I have a feeling that as soon as I experience a 10 abreast 777 ni ecnomy that will become my new worst plane then maybe one day I'll experience a x9 A330 or a x 10 A350 and then all bets are off.

I also agree on the CR2, I get cramps in my neck after 10 mins (maybe if I wasn't an av geek I wouldn't be twisting so bad to look out the weird height windows).

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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:55 pm

Another vote for the E145 series. They are very cramped and there is not enough overhead carryon luggage space. CRJ series is a close second, for the reasons many stated: cramped, horrible thinly padded seating, not enough overhead carryon luggage space.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:08 pm

All boeing narrowbodies + the 787 a.k.a. "Crampliner". Worst ride on a widebody I've ever had.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:19 pm

CR-200 on any airline. Temperature control is poor. Window position is too low.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:53 pm

They've mostly been retired, thankfully, but I regularly went out of my way to avoid a flight on The Wretched Dash-8. As a passenger, those things SUCKED!
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:00 am

For me:


BAC-111
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:04 am

Highly dependent but the plane I completely avoid is the CRJ200. American a few years ago would send only CRJ's between New York and Columbus which is what I fly the most it was hell schlepping to the airport to get the super early morning 6 AM American flight to LGA only to see a CR2 at the gate.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:34 pm

I will go for the CRJ as well. Them in the back are no fun. But a middle seat on A320 during summer time in the evening is also a nice experience. You get some nice fragrances on top...
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:13 pm

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Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:15 pm

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For me:


BAC-111


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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:28 am

mop357 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
mop357 wrote:
I was terrified of the A300. I hated taking it. I also had the DC10



May I ask why ?


Growing up in NYC I was terrified to fly after 9/11. Then I remember the airbus crashing in NYC a few months after 9/11. I know it had rudder issues so that scared me even more knowing the airplane had a flaw. From what I heard the rudder issues continued to be a problem for the remainder of the life of that plane.
Keep in mind I was young and didn’t know as much as I do now. At times it was quite comical. I remember taken it from MIA to JFK and panicking when the plane turned and hit turbulence after takeoff. I have conquered my fear of flying and would even fly on the max again.
As for the DC10 I don’t think I need to explain that one too much.


The only issue on the rudder on the A300 was the pilot who broke the tail off the airplane with excessive rudder inputs. There were no modifications to the rudder system, or any other system, as a result of this crash iirc.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:38 pm

The SW Metroliner. They don’t call it the San Antonio Sewer Pipe for nothing. Flew on those between MCO and PBI. That’s about as far as I would recommend anybody to travel on one.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:33 am

Don't know if I outright hate an aircraft type, but I hate how certain airlines configure certain aircraft types.

I'll probably fly on one one day, but the MAX 8 isn't in my favorite category at the moment for obvious reasons.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:46 pm

I think A320 is nice. I also had DC10 and A300.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:14 pm

As a pilot, I've loved every aircraft that I've ever flown, but the worst plane that I've ever worked on was the 737NG. Best description that a colleague of mine ever gave was that it was a plane designed by 2 year olds with legos.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:58 pm

CRJ-200s are awful. I hate them. Cityjet's (Although now operated under the Aer Lingus brand) six-abreast Avro RJ85 is pretty cramped as well. 787 is the worst widebody you can still regularly fly on. I don't mind the 737 but AA's MAX is to be avoided.

The LET 410 is not a good experience, noisy and every time I flew on one with Citywing there was an exceptionally hard landing. The Britten Norman Islander is a novelty but when you have to fly on one multiple times for work the novelty very soon wears off. Saab 340 is another one to avoid.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:20 pm

Any twin-engined widebody jet.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:54 pm

mop357 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
mop357 wrote:
I was terrified of the A300. I hated taking it. I also had the DC10



May I ask why ?


Growing up in NYC I was terrified to fly after 9/11. Then I remember the airbus crashing in NYC a few months after 9/11. I know it had rudder issues so that scared me even more knowing the airplane had a flaw. From what I heard the rudder issues continued to be a problem for the remainder of the life of that plane.
Keep in mind I was young and didn’t know as much as I do now. At times it was quite comical. I remember taken it from MIA to JFK and panicking when the plane turned and hit turbulence after takeoff. I have conquered my fear of flying and would even fly on the max again.
As for the DC10 I don’t think I need to explain that one too much.



Your fear is not based on any facts. Only one A300 crashed when the tail came off, and this was caused by the pilots making ridiculously large, and unnecessary rudder inputs. B737 has crashes due to rudder design faults, not the A300.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:57 am

CRj-200 by far my least favorite, I’ll take a slower prop any day over the CRj-200
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:16 pm

Super unpopular opinion: I can’t stand the DC-9 or MD-80 series. I would almost take a CR2 over it. I think I’m the only person so happy to see them all retiring.
I also cannot stand AA’s 9-abreast 787. I took one from DFW-ICN and that was my most miserable 15 hours in the air EVER.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:58 pm

EMB-110...

never ever getting in one of those again.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:25 pm

I have only flown few types:

MD-80, 717, 737-800/700, and A321

Least favorite is the A321: God, those windows, why are they so damn small?! Wifi also didn't work and the airplane was brand new. The 717 had working wifi. Was Delta Comfort+ and the 717 was just Main Cabin. Also didn't help that the type sounds like my girlfriend's house with the barking dog sound.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:13 am

All 787S I been on have been a bad experience, cramped in Y lot of different noises, bad seats small toilets, cabincrew overrides windowshades.
Also 777 in 10 abreast is bad.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:38 pm

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A320 by a long shot. It's the only plane I've flown on where you can sit in a "window seat" that doesn't have a window...


So you never have flown a 737? Or a 767? And I believe I had a windowless window seat on an AC77W as well.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:55 pm

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Agreed- my vote too- also called the flying pencil. I flew on Midstate Metros GRR-MDW a couple of times... noisy & cramped- awful.



This one wasn't far behind: 1-2 seating with the wing box protruding into the aisle- what where they thinking?

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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:49 am

The J31 was no picnic to work on the ramp, either.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:43 pm

I will agree with many posters on the 777. I've flown it 5 times. A rather comfortable 2-5-2 or 3-3-3 config and in business. But the aircon noise is just unbearable. I do prefer the A32x over the 73x for shoulder comfort reasons but the Airbus windows could be a little bigger. I haven't flown on any of the newer generation aircraft but it seems like the 787 is the one to avoid from what I read here and there.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:06 pm

Thats easy. B717 take the prize for the worst airliner in the air today regarding passenger comfort.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:15 pm

Being 6'5" and heavy built made me hate the Q400 with a passion after just a 45min flight. The noise was quite horrific too. (The Flybe service was shocking too, but that's a different conversation)
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:13 am

737-800 in economy. No room for my legs knees jammed into the seat ahead such narrow seats that even my fairly thin felt crammed into them. Oddly on the way back for that trip I rode a CRJ-700 and found the cabin way more comfortable so much so that I did not mind having to gate check my bag. Heck I was over the wings on all 4 legs of that trip (738 down and CRJ7 back) and even found the CRJ to be quieter than the 73.
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:37 am

Wasn't really a fan of flying on the 737 classics. For some reason, every time I had one assigned when flying on WN, it would always be the oldest and worst one in the entire fleet, usually the non-wingleted ones that were acquired secondhand. I flew on a US B734 in 2014 and the left armrest for the seat in front of mine had broken out of its socket. They are nice for spotting (now that they are rare these days), but flying on them was a different story.

Also, I'll pile on and include the CRJ2. Required gate-checking, low ceilings, low windows that are always scratched, and uncomfortable seats make flights even an hour long unbearable.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:37 pm

T54A wrote:
mop357 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:


May I ask why ?


Growing up in NYC I was terrified to fly after 9/11. Then I remember the airbus crashing in NYC a few months after 9/11. I know it had rudder issues so that scared me even more knowing the airplane had a flaw. From what I heard the rudder issues continued to be a problem for the remainder of the life of that plane.
Keep in mind I was young and didn’t know as much as I do now. At times it was quite comical. I remember taken it from MIA to JFK and panicking when the plane turned and hit turbulence after takeoff. I have conquered my fear of flying and would even fly on the max again.
As for the DC10 I don’t think I need to explain that one too much.



Your fear is not based on any facts. Only one A300 crashed when the tail came off, and this was caused by the pilots making ridiculously large, and unnecessary rudder inputs. B737 has crashes due to rudder design faults, not the A300.



You are correct. However, keep in mind I was young. I know a lot more about the aviation history now.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:38 pm

The old 737-300 and particularly the -500 were awful

Cramped, very slow (.74 cruise) with that old wing and a terrible ride in turbulence

Westbound against the jet stream in that thing was painful
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:11 am

739ER's are a pain, but UA's 777-200ERs... don't hate me but being in Y for even 5 hours with no window is torture. Eight hours should count as "cruel and unusual punishment."
2 things- Wear a mask, and vote. It's that simple.
 
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Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:01 am

Veigar wrote:
I have only flown few types:

MD-80, 717, 737-800/700, and A321

Least favorite is the A321: God, those windows, why are they so damn small?! Wifi also didn't work and the airplane was brand new. The 717 had working wifi. Was Delta Comfort+ and the 717 was just Main Cabin. Also didn't help that the type sounds like my girlfriend's house with the barking dog sound.

WiFi? Are you serious? Onboard WiFi systems are installed by third party companies, not the aircraft manufacturers. The airlines choose which WiFi systems to install on their aircraft.

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