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What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:51 am

In the other topic here we're already discussing what Frontier will do with the A321XLRs they'll be receiving. However that's just part of the deal Indigo Partners made with Airbus. 18 of those aircraft are heading for Frontier, 20 of them are heading for Wizzair.

What will Wizzair be doing with them? What new routes will they open up? Will they expand further east? Further into Russia? The Middle East? Maybe even India? Africa? Or will they start TATL and fly into the USA and possibly Canada?

If they start TATL, would it be from their bases in eastern Europe? From there, they can barely make the east coast. Or will they try from London Luton, from where they can reach further into America. Could they possibly start from their focus cities in western Europe such as Paris Beauvais or Brussels Charleroi?
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:05 am

Besides trans-Atlantic from Wizz's Eastern European hubs (e.g. BUD, WAW) to US East Coast, the XLR also has the range to fly to south Asia and northeastern Asia from those hubs, so effectively it opens up the possibilities of BUD-PEK, BUD-ICN and BUD-DEL, etc.

There may be sufficient number of Asian tourists bound for Central and Eastern Europe to support those flights. Having ULCC/LCC service also opens new market of tourists from Asia (i.e. those who cannot afford long range travel) now for Eastern Europe
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:11 am

When you think about how many people they'll load on these, it'll reduce the range by a bit. I'm not expecting any TATL service unless it is from KEF or somewhere in the British isles.
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:35 am

Why would they necessarily want to go fight in the worsening financial prospects that the North Atlantic will be as others introduce the XLR too? My prediction is go east and also use on heavy routes where they need payload. The two are frequently the same as many former USSR passengers don't travel light.
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:29 am

In October 2017, it was stated Wizz Air were looking at USA routes

https://dailynewshungary.com/flights-am ... d-wizzair/

With Wizz growing at London Luton, it could be a good time to start a mini hub allowing passengers to "self connect" and allow the launch of new flights to the likes of New York Stewart, Providence and Hartford (similar to Norwegian)
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:15 am

Wizz Air in BUD has already quite a few routes in Central and West Asia: Tel Aviv, Dubai, Eilat or Nur-Sultan.

Considering BUD is a very touristic city, I could see new routes to the area. For instance India (DEL & BOM) to carry Indian tourists (growing market) to Hungary and Central Europe.
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Does wizz air overnight crews currently?
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:38 pm

Would love for them to consider LTN and BVA to PVD!
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:47 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
With Wizz growing at London Luton, it could be a good time to start a mini hub allowing passengers to "self connect" and allow the launch of new flights to the likes of New York Stewart, Providence and Hartford (similar to Norwegian)


Yes, 'cause Norwegian has been spectacularly successful in North America. How many routes have they started and reduced frequency or discontinued entirely?

They couldn't be successful getting Americans to fly to Luton unless they virtually gave away the tickets. LHR or LGW, sure.
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:04 pm

raylee67 wrote:
BUD-PEK, BUD-ICN


Oh, man, that would be SO great!

There was the Finnair CEO quote in the other thread saying that the cost of Russian overflight rights makes smaller planes such as the A321 unprofitable on routes to East Asia, but who knows, maybe what's not good for Finnair is good enough for Wizz...
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:21 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Yes, 'cause Norwegian has been spectacularly successful in North America. How many routes have they started and reduced frequency or discontinued entirely?

They couldn't be successful getting Americans to fly to Luton unless they virtually gave away the tickets. LHR or LGW, sure.


That's because Norwegian hardly offers connections further into Europe, you don't get behind Dublin or wherever they fly from. This is a clear flaw in the Norwegian business model. Wizzair doesn't have this flaw since Luton is a large base with lots of connections further into Europe.

Heathrow is just plain impossible due to the slot shortage and insane landing and handling fees. Some airlines have been on the waiting list for over 10 years before they finally received the slots at Heathrow they applied for. Flying into Heathrow is the best way to make flying expensive. Gatwick might be an option, although even there slots are tight and Wizzair has very little presence there.

Giving away the tickets? That's practically the reason they use Luton. It might be inconvenient, but that's exactly the reason they use it. It's a whole lot cheaper than Heathrow when it comes to landing and handling fees and slots are still somewhat available. The fares they offer out of Luton would never be possible out of Heathrow.

But in fact you don't need Americans to fly these routes, they can fill the planes with Europeans that are looking for a cheap visit to the USA. Europeans are used to the idea that convenience and low fares don't go hand in hand and they're willing to give up the convenience. For that reason, they can get away with using cheap secondary airports where landing and handling fees are lower. Europeans understand this and are actively looking at "LCC airports" if they want a cheap getaway.
 
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Re: What will Wizzair do with their A321XLRs

Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:32 pm

I’m not sure if you can get the weight out of Ltn for east coast . Think the most favourable rtow was about 92 t I think these Xlr are for their eastern bases

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