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ryanov wrote:Curious if anyone knows: is Delta having trouble with the A220 fleet? I noticed upon arriving EWR last night that the A220 flight from DTW was cancelled. My flight was 2:25 late, mostly due to mechanical (APU, requiring a air start apparently all day). The same flight on Monday was cancelled, and apparently the afternoon A220 flight from MSP was cancelled on 7/17.
It's all anecdotal evidence, but I haven't personally had a Delta flight cancelled in ages, so this many cancels on one aircraft type raises my eyebrows.
AA737-823 wrote:Word has it that they've actually been very reliable, particularly for a new type EIS.
The first year was a little rough, but the second year went much better, and remember- this is a NEW plane, not just a stretch of a 1980's design that is long since got the bugs worked out.
That said, an INOP APU shouldn't make the plane 2:25 late. Okay, you hook up the start cart during the turn, crank one engine before push, and go on with your life. Ten minutes added, maximum.
So I have to think that either some outstation couldn't find their start cart, or there were other issues, or a paperwork delay.
But, I don't have access to any proprietary data, so I'm just guessing.
DL717 wrote:Possible teething at DL being a new type, but reliability has been above 98% for some and above 99% for others:
https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=7855
runway23 wrote:I know at Swiss they go tech very often.
runway23 wrote:I know at Swiss they go tech very often.
ryanov wrote:Curious if anyone knows: is Delta having trouble with the A220 fleet? I noticed upon arriving EWR last night that the A220 flight from DTW was cancelled. My flight was 2:25 late, mostly due to mechanical (APU, requiring a air start apparently all day). The same flight on Monday was cancelled, and apparently the afternoon A220 flight from MSP was cancelled on 7/17.
It's all anecdotal evidence, but I haven't personally had a Delta flight cancelled in ages, so this many cancels on one aircraft type raises my eyebrows.
32andBelow wrote:AA737-823 wrote:Word has it that they've actually been very reliable, particularly for a new type EIS.
The first year was a little rough, but the second year went much better, and remember- this is a NEW plane, not just a stretch of a 1980's design that is long since got the bugs worked out.
That said, an INOP APU shouldn't make the plane 2:25 late. Okay, you hook up the start cart during the turn, crank one engine before push, and go on with your life. Ten minutes added, maximum.
So I have to think that either some outstation couldn't find their start cart, or there were other issues, or a paperwork delay.
But, I don't have access to any proprietary data, so I'm just guessing.
I doubt every out station has an air starter. They could have to get one from an fbo or another airline
jghealey wrote:According to this article, it has 99.85% dispatch reliability, which seems pretty good at least compared to other aircraft:
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/airbalt ... ecks-a220/
Swiss also reported that it had "much higher" reliability than other new aircraft and cited the A380, A320neo and 787 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A220) but then again that was just one month after it entered service. I fly the Swiss A220s often, as do other family members (twice weekly) and I can't remember a flight being cancelled due to problems with the actual aircraft though delays are frequent; whether this is due to short turnaround, something else or indeed problems with the aircraft I don't know.
AA737-823 wrote:That said, an INOP APU shouldn't make the plane 2:25 late. Okay, you hook up the start cart during the turn, crank one engine before push, and go on with your life. Ten minutes added, maximum.
So I have to think that either some outstation couldn't find their start cart, or there were other issues, or a paperwork delay.
But, I don't have access to any proprietary data, so I'm just guessing.
Cory6188 wrote:ryanov wrote:I was at DTW on Tuesday night when everyone in the airport got a flash flood warning on their phones, and then again at DTW last night, and the flights to the NYC airports (and BOS) were all super delayed, if not canceled.
lightsaber wrote:jghealey wrote:It isn't today, but it doesn't seem to have the persisting issues the E-Jets have.
AA737-823 wrote:Word has it that they've actually been very reliable, particularly for a new type EIS.
The first year was a little rough, but the second year went much better, and remember- this is a NEW plane, not just a stretch of a 1980's design that is long since got the bugs worked out.
That said, an INOP APU shouldn't make the plane 2:25 late. Okay, you hook up the start cart during the turn, crank one engine before push, and go on with your life. Ten minutes added, maximum.
So I have to think that either some outstation couldn't find their start cart, or there were other issues, or a paperwork delay.
But, I don't have access to any proprietary data, so I'm just guessing.
eirflot wrote:Intetesting how SWISS can be quoted as having higher reliability on other aircraft namely rhe A380 and B787, when they operate neither aircraft! And the A320NEO has only just been delivered!
Fake news or alternate facts????
eirflot wrote:Intetesting how SWISS can be quoted as having higher reliability on other aircraft namely rhe A380 and B787, when they operate neither aircraft! And the A320NEO has only just been delivered!
Fake news or alternate facts????
MSPNWA wrote:Anecdotally I've heard that the reliability at DL isn't good yet. It has its quirks that will need to be ironed out over time. Even without official stats that would align with the apparent ontime struggles.
VV wrote:If DL indeed has some issues, what's the difference with Swiss or Air Baltic?
Is DL's operation more demanding?
MSPNWA wrote:VV wrote:If DL indeed has some issues, what's the difference with Swiss or Air Baltic?
Is DL's operation more demanding?
That's what's strange. If what Swiss/Air Baltic is reporting is truly that good, I don't know why that wouldn't translate to other carriers.
ryanov wrote:Cory6188 wrote:ryanov wrote:I was at DTW on Tuesday night when everyone in the airport got a flash flood warning on their phones, and then again at DTW last night, and the flights to the NYC airports (and BOS) were all super delayed, if not canceled.
I was in a bar in downtown Minneapolis for that waiting out my delayed flight. We got one there too. That was some rain.
Polot wrote:MSPNWA wrote:VV wrote:If DL indeed has some issues, what's the difference with Swiss or Air Baltic?
Is DL's operation more demanding?
That's what's strange. If what Swiss/Air Baltic is reporting is truly that good, I don't know why that wouldn't translate to other carriers.
Well Europe is a milder climate that most of the US with generally less heat and humidity. That can effect things, especially in regards to engine reliability/robustness. See how things have been with Indian operators of PW powered A320neos versus European operators for example.
VV wrote:Polot wrote:MSPNWA wrote:
That's what's strange. If what Swiss/Air Baltic is reporting is truly that good, I don't know why that wouldn't translate to other carriers.
Well Europe is a milder climate that most of the US with generally less heat and humidity. That can effect things, especially in regards to engine reliability/robustness. See how things have been with Indian operators of PW powered A320neos versus European operators for example.
Basically you are saying the C Series is good for Canada and Europe. Is that right?
VV wrote:Does FAA require airlines to record any delay?
If so, is it a public information?
MIflyer12 wrote:VV wrote:Does FAA require airlines to record any delay?
If so, is it a public information?
There's a CFR for that! https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/234.4
Data are available in the aggregate by carrier, by airport, by airport by hour, and for individual flights for the last month.
https://www.bts.gov/topics/airlines-and ... cellations
I doubt every out station has an air starter. They could have to get one from an fbo or another airline
MSPNWA wrote:VV wrote:If DL indeed has some issues, what's the difference with Swiss or Air Baltic?
Is DL's operation more demanding?
That's what's strange. If what Swiss/Air Baltic is reporting is truly that good, I don't know why that wouldn't translate to other carriers.
GmvAfcs wrote:lightsaber wrote:jghealey wrote:It isn't today, but it doesn't seem to have the persisting issues the E-Jets have.
E-Jets dispatch reliability is outstanding currently. There are no persisting issues. Currently it is at 99.52% for worldwide fleet.
https://airinsight.com/will-embraers-e- ... to-the-e2/
Cory6188 wrote:ryanov wrote:Curious if anyone knows: is Delta having trouble with the A220 fleet? I noticed upon arriving EWR last night that the A220 flight from DTW was cancelled. My flight was 2:25 late, mostly due to mechanical (APU, requiring a air start apparently all day). The same flight on Monday was cancelled, and apparently the afternoon A220 flight from MSP was cancelled on 7/17.
It's all anecdotal evidence, but I haven't personally had a Delta flight cancelled in ages, so this many cancels on one aircraft type raises my eyebrows.
As a side note, I wouldn't go by any operational metrics for any of the NYC airports, DTW, or MSP from the past few days, as the weather has been a mess at all of those airports. I was at DTW on Tuesday night when everyone in the airport got a flash flood warning on their phones, and then again at DTW last night, and the flights to the NYC airports (and BOS) were all super delayed, if not canceled.
Jomar777 wrote:runway23 wrote:I know at Swiss they go tech very often.
Further details and source, please!
If there are facts, those may be quite relevant for all. If no facts but only talk, then maybe we should consider before making a bold statement as yours that the A220s on Swiss colours are going pop way too often.
ryanov wrote:I’m gonna push back on that description a little bit. The information about my flight — 1658 on the 16th, if anyone cares — came directly from the FO. First flight started with a 1 hour delay (from having looked it up) and it lost more time through the day, and the FO mentioned two instances where the air cart was involved. Of course that’s only one mechanical failure. We were told before departing that weather would slow us down a bit, but it only impacted us 10 minutes ultimately. I asked the airline and they never mentioned weather, which they often do when they are able.
There is no “problem” with this thread, it was an honest question. I’ve noticed a lot of cancellations in a relatively short span, is it the plane? That’s all. I know there has been a lot of weather, but there is often a lot of weather, And again, I fly the airline and off a lot and can’t think more than once or twice that I have had a flight canceled. That’s not proof of anything, but it made me ask the question.
You could have three adjacent gates fail on the same day, and that could just be a coincidence. I don’t have the answer, which is why I asked the question. Maybe no one else here does either.
ryanov wrote:Something I noticed on both flights is that the crew seemed older than usual. A small sample size, but would there be a reason that more senior crews would be on these planes?
GmvAfcs wrote:lightsaber wrote:jghealey wrote:It isn't today, but it doesn't seem to have the persisting issues the E-Jets have.
E-Jets dispatch reliability is outstanding currently. There are no persisting issues. Currently it is at 99.52% for worldwide fleet.
https://airinsight.com/will-embraers-e- ... to-the-e2/