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British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:58 pm

As we all know the B747 are slowly coming for retirement from BA.

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type. To delve into the past i am wondering where, throughout the 90's and 00's, did they send these?
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:50 pm

They deployed them on LHR-HKG for many years, not sure when they stopped but the A380 took over, last time I flew a B747 on that route was in June 2010, good memories.

In fact, I think they deployed them twice a day before it switched to an A380 for the earlier flight and B777 for the later flight.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:18 am

SYD was served until 2013 with the 744, MEL/BNE/PER we’re served until the early 2000s.
AKL until 1995. Via a few different routings in the Middle East, Asia, Australia
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:54 am

In addition to their LHR services, I believe the 744s also flew from Gatters to ATL, IAH, and others, too (maybe DFW + MCO?)
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:01 am

33lspotter wrote:
In addition to their LHR services, I believe the 744s also flew from Gatters to ATL, IAH, and others, too (maybe DFW + MCO?)


Back in 2000 I flew LGW-NBO-MRU-LGW which was operated by 747s at the time. No idea when the NBO stop was dropped and the route became non-stop on the 777, but MRU moved from LGW to LHR and then back to LGW.

747s also operated LON-PHX-SAN after the DC10s were retired, but I can't remember if that was from LGW or whether the route had moved to LHR by then. Both destinations subsequently became standalone flights and PHX was upgauged back to 747.
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Re: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:04 am

Nickd92 wrote:
As we all know the B747 are slowly coming for retirement from BA.

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type. To delve into the past i am wondering where, throughout the 90's and 00's, did they send these?


Well, in the 90s, before the 777 arrived to the fleet, the 747s (100, 200 & 400) were the only long haul fleet together with the ex BCAL DC-10s. So pretty much all over the map: South & North America, Caribbean, Africa, ME & Asia and Australia/NZ.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:06 am

The flew 742 on LGW-BWI for a while in the late 80’s.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:46 am

They use to send the 747 to Islamabad.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:46 am

They use to send the 747 to Islamabad.Though rumor has it, that if they don't increase the 3 times frequency, they will send a 777 or 747 to ISB from a 787.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:49 am

Yes, BA used to send 747s to Orlando.
The original flight to Pittsburgh was a 747 as well.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:55 am

BA 742 used to fly EWR-LHR. Not sure if they ever used the 744 on it though.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:51 am

N62NA wrote:
BA 742 used to fly EWR-LHR. Not sure if they ever used the 744 on it though.

 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:11 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SYD was served until 2013 with the 744, MEL/BNE/PER we’re served until the early 2000s.


And ADL until the early nineties.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:37 am

dcajet wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:
As we all know the B747 are slowly coming for retirement from BA.

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type. To delve into the past i am wondering where, throughout the 90's and 00's, did they send these?


Well, in the 90s, before the 777 arrived to the fleet, the 747s (100, 200 & 400) were the only long haul fleet together with the ex BCAL DC-10s. So pretty much all over the map: South & North America, Caribbean, Africa, ME & Asia and Australia/NZ.


I think the 767’s and the Tristars were both in the fleet too in the mid 90’s.

As for 747 routes, Cairo and Moscow come to mind. Did they used to fly Dakar with the 747?

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:18 am

In the 90s I flew the 744 to LAX, SFO, EZE, MNL, HRE, LLW.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:47 am

YYZ used to get it on at least one daily rotation in the summer at the very least. YVR used to be double daily in summer, now 380 but back to the Queen for winters.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:54 am

Nickd92 wrote:

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type.


This is incorrect, Japan Airlines was the largest B747 operator in the world at any one time.

Japan Airlines had a large B747 fleet consisting of many different variants and short-haul / long-haul / freighter sub-types;

- 20x B747-100
- 22x B747-200B
- 6x B747-SR
- 14x B747-200F
- 19x B747-300
- 28x B747-400

 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:57 am

BLR, BOM, BAH-DOH, NRT, BKK-SYD, HKG-TPE, HKG-MNL, DEL-DAC, DEL-CCU, KUL all come to mind.
Not sure if BA ever flew them to MAA, NBO-SEZ, NBO-DAR, CGK, ICN, KIX or NGO?
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:07 am

factsonly wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type.


This is incorrect, Japan Airlines was the largest B747 operator in the world at any one time.

Japan Airlines had a large B747 fleet consisting of many different variants and short-haul / long-haul / freighter sub-types;

- 20x B747-100
- 22x B747-200B
- 6x B747-SR
- 14x B747-200F
- 19x B747-300
- 28x B747-400




Yes


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Japan airlines without the 747 doesn’t seem the same
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:08 am

BKK:
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:09 am

factsonly wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type.


This is incorrect, Japan Airlines was the largest B747 operator in the world at any one time.

Japan Airlines had a large B747 fleet consisting of many different variants and short-haul / long-haul / freighter sub-types;

- 20x B747-100
- 22x B747-200B
- 6x B747-SR
- 14x B747-200F
- 19x B747-300
- 28x B747-400



I´m sure the OP meant BA was the largest 747-400 operators. And that´s true. No other carrier had as many -400 in service at the same time as BA.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:18 am

It might be easier to work out where they didn't fly as the 747 has been British Airways most humorous long-haul aircraft until the late naughties when retirements and 777 deliveries tipped the balance. In the 90’s the 747 dominated BAs network, the Tristar was retired in October 91, the 777 arrived in late 1995 so at Heathrow in the early 90s BA only operated 747s and 767s and a lot of them exclusively flew short haul. I have excluded Concorde. The DC-10s remained at Gatwick until retirement. The 767s flew thinner long hauls especially to the Middle East and USA. Worth remembering there were a lot less thinner non-stop routes with tags being common such as Seychelles as mentioned above and Gaborone which utilised 747s. Even once the 777 arrived they lacked crew bunks leaving all very long hauls to the 747s this remained the case until the GYMM 777s where delivered.

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:17 am

We can add into the mix TLV, LOS [possibly Abuja too] and more recently ACC. Also CCS, GRU, GIG and SCL [when it was a tag from EZE].
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:29 am

I flew BA 005 from LHR to NRT with the 747-400 in 2008. The only thing I remember is that the IFE was broken and that the crew was friendly and very nice. :)
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:27 am

BA used to fly double daily 744 to Tokyo Narita within 90 minutes of each other.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:42 am

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They use to send the 747 to Islamabad.


BA118/9 to ISB was via MAN, I flew it many times 1992 to 1993. Always has U/S loos on the way back...
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:18 pm

BA 747-200 and 747-400 served BGI from LGW and seasonally from LHR until the early 2000s when the entire got Caribbean switched to the then new 777-200ERs. Some of BA's Caribbean service was shared between some islands like ANU, POS, UVF etc.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:20 pm

BA11/12 (LHR-SIN-LHR) and BA15/16 (LHR-SIN-SYD-SIN-LHR) was operated by the B747-400s before the A380s, B777-200ERs and B777-300ERs took over.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:24 pm

factsonly wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type.


This is incorrect, Japan Airlines was the largest B747 operator in the world at any one time.

Japan Airlines had a large B747 fleet consisting of many different variants and short-haul / long-haul / freighter sub-types;

- 20x B747-100
- 22x B747-200B
- 6x B747-SR
- 14x B747-200F
- 19x B747-300
- 28x B747-400



Japan Airlines was the largest operator of the B747 - when you combine all varieties.
British Airways was, still is, the largest operator of the B747-400 variant.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:24 pm

I have good memories flying BLR-LHR-SEA on 747s in 2000s. BA served BLR with 747-400 for a long time. In fact once on a mid-week flight in low season, there were hardly 100 passengers in main cabin. I believe they served SEA with 744s for a short time before downgrading to 777s.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:59 pm

BA017/018 (LHR-SIN-MEL) until March 2006
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:26 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
33lspotter wrote:
In addition to their LHR services, I believe the 744s also flew from Gatters to ATL, IAH, and others, too (maybe DFW + MCO?)


Back in 2000 I flew LGW-NBO-MRU-LGW which was operated by 747s at the time. No idea when the NBO stop was dropped and the route became non-stop on the 777, but MRU moved from LGW to LHR and then back to LGW.

747s also operated LON-PHX-SAN after the DC10s were retired, but I can't remember if that was from LGW or whether the route had moved to LHR by then. Both destinations subsequently became standalone flights and PHX was upgauged back to 747.


You are indeed correct about SAN! The original route authority was to British Caledonian, which utilized a DC-10, flying LGW-LAX-SAN-LAX-LGW. When absorbed into British Airways, they continued with the DC-10, but that changed to a 747.

When I moved to San Diego in 1999, the flight was operated LGW-PHX-SAN-PHX-LGW. Because of Bermuda II, SAN was not an airport that qualified for Heathrow service. However, the plane was switched to a 777 and de-coupled from PHX, flying non-stop both ways. Then the flight somehow qualified for Heathrow service, and it became LHR-SAN-LHR - someone who knows and understands the intricacies of the Bermuda II qualification system should comment, but it was big enough to hit the local paper.

Then came 9/11, followed by the big downturn in flying, and the disappearance of our sole intercontinental route from 2003 to 2010. But in those intervening years, Bermuda II went away, AA and BA were allowed to revenue-share on flights with each other (and their Frequent Flyers were allowed to earn miles on each other's flights), and San Diego's economy really heated up. British Airways returned in June, 2010 with a daily 777-200. In the intervening years BA has upgrauged this flight to both a 777-300 and the 747-400, which it is today.

As I recall, the Gatwick flight was a four digit flight number; something like 2273. When it switched to Heathrow, it became 273.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:08 pm

If you had access to BA timetables from the past, you could construct a series map - in intervals of years (or more) to show the relative deployment of the 747 across the network. It was very extensive for many years, but frequency was nothing like today of course. I think this information is available. Not sure about online. But it would be an interesting research project. I flew BA numerous times on 747s... from NZ & Australia to the UK, SE Asia to the UK and from North America to London and vice-versa. All these flights were on 747s serving, MEL, PER, KUL, BOM, YVR, MEX, IAD, LHR. Keep up your hunting I say.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:17 pm

I believe there was a provision in Bermuda 2 that allowed a British airline with Heathrow access i.e BA or Virgin to move a service from Gatwick if it was the sole carrier operating and it attracted over 300,000 pax over 2 years or something like that, this meant Denver, Phoenix and San Diego could move from Gatwick to Heathrow in 2002. As has already been mentioned San Diego did stop for a period while Denver and Phoenix remained continuous to this day at Heathrow. This left Atlanta, DFW and Houston at Gatwick along with the leisure routes until B2 ended.

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:27 pm

AstanaMagic wrote:
LH658 wrote:
They use to send the 747 to Islamabad.


BA118/9 to ISB was via MAN, I flew it many times 1992 to 1993. Always has U/S loos on the way back...


= What is U/S loos?

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:43 pm

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the 747 has been British Airways most humorous long-haul aircraft until the late naughties
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That was really humorous :)

These days when I see the odd KL and LH 744 take off over my house at YYZ, I stop whatever I'm doing and stare until it's out of sight, knowing that these sightings will be over very soon :sigh:

But never found myself laughing at the sight of a 744 :lol:
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:46 pm

abrelosojos wrote:
AstanaMagic wrote:
LH658 wrote:
They use to send the 747 to Islamabad.


BA118/9 to ISB was via MAN, I flew it many times 1992 to 1993. Always has U/S loos on the way back...


= What is U/S loos?

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Unserviceable.

Basically cannot be used. Which is quite poor considering the length of ISB-LHR or ISB-MAN flight.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:01 pm

BA used to fly 747-400
LHR-GIG
LHR-GRU
LHR-GRU-EZE (Until 777 started direct LHR-EZE)
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:27 pm

kstse wrote:
They deployed them on LHR-HKG for many years, not sure when they stopped but the A380 took over, last time I flew a B747 on that route was in June 2010, good memories.

In fact, I think they deployed them twice a day before it switched to an A380 for the earlier flight and B777 for the later flight.



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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:56 pm

BCA2005 wrote:
BLR, BOM, BAH-DOH, NRT, BKK-SYD, HKG-TPE, HKG-MNL, DEL-DAC, DEL-CCU, KUL all come to mind.
Not sure if BA ever flew them to MAA, NBO-SEZ, NBO-DAR, CGK, ICN, KIX or NGO?


BA has never scheduled the 744 to ICN, but they did fly them to GMP (SEL back then) until 1999. In 2011 ICN saw some BA 744s after the Tohoku earthquake which caused BA to add ICN stop overs enroute to NRT.

BA currently uses the 787 to ICN.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:03 pm

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It might be easier to work out where they didn't fly as the 747 has been British Airways most humorous long-haul aircraft until the late naughties when retirements and 777 deliveries tipped the balance. In the 90’s the 747 dominated BAs network, the Tristar was retired in October 91, the 777 arrived in late 1995 so at Heathrow in the early 90s BA only operated 747s and 767s and a lot of them exclusively flew short haul. I have excluded Concorde. The DC-10s remained at Gatwick until retirement. The 767s flew thinner long hauls especially to the Middle East and USA. Worth remembering there were a lot less thinner non-stop routes with tags being common such as Seychelles as mentioned above and Gaborone which utilised 747s. Even once the 777 arrived they lacked crew bunks leaving all very long hauls to the 747s this remained the case until the GYMM 777s where delivered.

Amc737


I was wondering about Gaborone the other day after QR announced the new tag on from JNB. When did BA operate it? I assume it was via JNB too, what sort of frequency does anyone know?
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:07 pm

CHC was also served 1987-89 weekly combined with AKL
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:54 pm

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YYZ used to get it on at least one daily rotation in the summer at the very least. YVR used to be double daily in summer, now 380 but back to the Queen for winters.


Once upon a time (late 90s) YYZ got as much as 17 weekly Speedbirds operated by 741/742... those were the good old days as they say. Also got 757s and 763s from BA around that time on various interesting routings
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:57 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
heathrow wrote:
YYZ used to get it on at least one daily rotation in the summer at the very least. YVR used to be double daily in summer, now 380 but back to the Queen for winters.


Once upon a time (late 90s) YYZ got as much as 17 weekly Speedbirds operated by 741/742... those were the good old days as they say. Also got 757s and 763s from BA around that time on various interesting routings

What seating did BA use on the 757s?
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:14 pm

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What seating did BA use on the 757s?

18 F (recliners, not sleepers) and 141Y. There was no J.

The flights flew YYZ-JFK-BHX-JFK-YYZ with fifth freedom rights between YYZ and JFK.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:47 pm

BA Used to have double daily 744s to YVR in the Summer.
 
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longhauler wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
What seating did BA use on the 757s?

18 F (recliners, not sleepers) and 141Y. There was no J.

The flights flew YYZ-JFK-BHX-JFK-YYZ with fifth freedom rights between YYZ and JFK.

Must have been a fun way to get to New York! An interesting piece of history
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:19 pm

speedbird52 wrote:
longhauler wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
What seating did BA use on the 757s?

18 F (recliners, not sleepers) and 141Y. There was no J.

The flights flew YYZ-JFK-BHX-JFK-YYZ with fifth freedom rights between YYZ and JFK.

Must have been a fun way to get to New York! An interesting piece of history


You could also "Scissor" at JFK onto flights to/from MAN without going through US Customs at the time on a "quick" connection...

I know of people who did the YYZ-JFK-YYZ flight on BA, said it was interesting but overall not much use to get to/from NY, even then, and it cost about the same as Canadian or Air Canada.
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:43 pm

LHR-NRT
LHR-SVO-NRT
LHR-ANC-NRT
LHR-ANC-NRT-ITM
LHR-ANC-ITM-FUK
LHR-ITM
LHR-KIX
LHR-NGO

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Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:04 pm

Arion640 wrote:
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Nickd92 wrote:
As we all know the B747 are slowly coming for retirement from BA.

BA once had in its fleet 57, making it the largest operator in the world of the type. To delve into the past i am wondering where, throughout the 90's and 00's, did they send these?


Well, in the 90s, before the 777 arrived to the fleet, the 747s (100, 200 & 400) were the only long haul fleet together with the ex BCAL DC-10s. So pretty much all over the map: South & North America, Caribbean, Africa, ME & Asia and Australia/NZ.


I think the 767’s and the Tristars were both in the fleet too in the mid 90’s.

As for 747 routes, Cairo and Moscow come to mind. Did they used to fly Dakar with the 747?

Barbados too!


Dakar was a former BCAL destination and was not operated by British Airways after the merger with BCAL in 1988.

BCAL used the DC10-30 from LGW to Dakar and prior to that the B707 as well as a weekly BAC1-11 service in the 1970's that routed LGW-Casablanca-Dakar-Banjul-Freetown-Monrovia.

British Airways have never served Dakar with their own aircraft although BMI British Midland Airways briefly served Dakar from LHR when they were a British Airways franchise operator with the A330.

After the merger of BCAL and British Airways in 1988 the airline's long haul fleet consisted of the B747, DC10-30 and L1011, the B767 arrived in 1993 and the B777 in 1995.
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