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aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:51 am

I was diving a few weeks ago around an old aircraft in the ocean (put there) and wondered how many
planes in recent years (tsunami, earthquake etc) have been lost while parked when natural disaster struck...
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:10 am

I cant think of any. With the exception of an earthquake, all of the other events would be predicted and the aircraft would just not be flown into the effected areas.
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:13 am

Tsunami, the one in Japan comes to mind. Lots of JASDF F-2s were lost, even more damaged. Some other trainers and museum pieces damaged too. Many photos and videos went round of a GA airfield where Cessnas and Pipers were strewn around.

A tornado wrecked an entire B-36 bomber base back in the 50s or thereabout.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:21 am

There was a DC-8 stuck in Goma (GOM), Congo. Lava from a vulcano destroyed part of the runway and the airplane can not take off.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:26 am

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Goma Airport was affected by the eruption of the volcano Nyiragongo and this DC 8 was trapped by the lava.

 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:34 am

ThalesCoelho wrote:
There was a DC-8 stuck in Goma (GOM), Congo. Lava from a vulcano destroyed part of the runway and the airplane can not take off.

You beat me to it. But I had to insert all the pictures, which took a little bit of time....
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:37 am

The Mount Pinatubo eruption in '91 caused a lot of damage, including to this DC-10, which apparently was repaired.

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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:43 am

Fantasy of Flight's B-17 became airborne in a hurricane and flew away from the museum, IIRC it landed about a quarter mile away. It suffered damage that made it not flyable. Although almost all the museum's collection is flyable, whhen Kermit Weeks moved the museum to Polk County he had to set the B-17 up as a static display.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:00 pm

Thailand flood in 2011 comes into my mind:





But I don't know how many of there were actually write offs.
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:11 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
Thailand flood in 2011 comes into my mind:





But I don't know how many of there were actually write offs.

The RTAF ACJ319 was repaired and returned into service.
But the L-1011 seen on the 4th picture were all scrapped,with one converted into a bar.
Not sure on what happened to the TG A300 and RTAF C130.

EDIT: The TG A300 seen in the 1st photo were already wfu before the flooding.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:16 pm

At MIA this DC 8 was destroyed by hurricane Andrew in 1992 *)

... although they wanted to scrap it anyway.

Kendall Tamiami Airport was affected as well:
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*) you can find pictures of the damaged DC 8 in the WWW but I cannot post it here (forum rules: thou shalt not post pics from other competing aviation sites :old: )
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:24 pm

Not a natural disaster, but is not that uncommon to have aiplanes demaged due heavy winds, sometimes a hangar fails over the planes, for exemple. More common with GA.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:26 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
Thailand flood in 2011 comes into my mind:

But I don't know how many of there were actually write offs.

I found one article:

The aircraft that were left surrounded by floodwater at Don Mueang Airport are decommissioned, but some still usable, according to airport director Group Captain Kantpat Mangalasiri.

He said post-flood damage estimates and rehabilitation would be carried out by airlines and related agencies once the water recedes.

Two Thai Airways International (THAI) Airbus A300-600 parked outside a hangar have water covering their wheels. Capt Kantpat said both planes were used for over 20 years, decommissioned and are awaiting resale.

However, 1st Lt Wuttichai Saguanmoo, THAI's Heavy Maintenance Department director, said the company had covered the wheelbases with plastic. The water level is currently higher than the wheelbase, but it can be reusable as it is made of metal.

He explained that even if the water level rose another 1.5 metres and submerges the aircraft body, no damage will be caused, for it is built of metal. But he admitted all parts must be reconditioned to be used again.

Regarding Orient Thai Airlines which also had aircraft at Don Mueang, Capt Kantpat said all four aircraft were decommissioned, but three of them remain usable. Their wheelbases are flooded but can be repaired. Further estimates will be made after the water recedes.


Ref: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/509833 ... ed-runway/

IIRC since these A300s were decommissioned before the flood due to 20 years of service and then flood damaged they sat at the airport for a very long time.

I have no idea if they are still there or if they got scrapped, but in theory they could have been saved if some one wanted them.
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:32 pm

TFFIP wrote:
tsunami

VSMUT wrote:
Tsunami, the one in Japan comes to mind. Lots of JASDF F-2s were lost, even more damaged. Some other trainers and museum pieces damaged too. Many photos and videos went round of a GA airfield where Cessnas and Pipers were strewn around.

Yapp, found this one:
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ThalesCoelho wrote:
Not a natural disaster, but is not that uncommon to have aiplanes demaged due heavy winds, sometimes a hangar fails over the planes, for exemple. More common with GA.

I think this happened in Texas some years ago. Pretty dramatic pictures available in the www and for sure we had a thread about this hangar collapse
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 pm

Pretty common ocurrence under thunderstorms in São Paulo area:

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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:43 pm

On February 2, 1998, a tornado hit MIA. 1 737-200 & 2 Shorts 330 were written off

On August 24, 1992, Hurricane Andrew hit MIA. A DC-4 & two F-27s were written off.

On August 27, 1964, Hurricane Cleo hit MIA. A DC-3 & 3 Curtiss C-46s were written off.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:01 pm

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I cant think of any. With the exception of an earthquake, all of the other events would be predicted and the aircraft would just not be flown into the effected areas.

You can't really identify and fly your plane out in the event of a tsunami or tornado in most cases. Any kind of predictions would only come as the event was already unfolding.

Not sure if it counts, but I remember a story of an avalanche control helicopter having engine problems, landing at the base of a mountain, and getting crushed by the avalanche that it caused.
Clear skies and strong tail winds.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:11 pm

First I have to point out I find this being one of the most interesting and original topics lately so thank you for that TFFIP. I'm sure the members here will come up with interesting collection of events.

The biggest event that came up on my mind was the volcano eruption in Congo(near Goma) which some members mentioned already and posted some cool pictures. I think that DC-8 was not the only loss there because I believe there were another planes lost due to the eruption although not immediately. If I recall correctly it may have been MD-80s(or DC-9s) which either overrun the runway end on landing shortened due to lava(and crashed into the lava field destroying the plane) or was unable to lift off soon enough on takeoff and crashed into the houses on the other end of the runway(again caused due to takeoff distance available due to lava). Both scenarios happened most likely because of the shortening of available runway due to lava spill.

As per the flooding of DMK airport in Bangkok I don't think there were any direct losses of the airplanes due to floodings. There may have been occasional MDs(of Orient Thai)/TriStars/A300s written off indireclty after that but just because it was convenient to blame it on the flood. There was a number of MDs, TriStars and A300s which have been sitting around just parked there for ages so this may have been good time to get rid of the almost worthless frames.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:20 pm

In recent past (last year) a thunderstorm with heavy hail passed over Antalya Airport (AYT) damaging many aircraft quite significantly. There are pictures and videos, but I'm posting from my mobile thus not able to link those...
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:30 pm

One of the more expensive instances would have been the F-22s damaged (were any written off?) by Hurricane Michael at Tyndall AFB in Oct 2018.
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:57 pm

What about the roof that collapsed on the hanger in Washington from heavy snow - was it that?
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:58 pm

Did any aircrafts get severely damaged by the volcanic ashes from Iceland back in 2010?
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:03 pm

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What about the roof that collapsed on the hanger in Washington from heavy snow - was it that?

IIRC, that was Daniel Snyder's plane that was destroyed.
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:16 pm

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What about the roof that collapsed on the hanger in Washington from heavy snow - was it that?


It was @ KIAD Dulles Jet Center. The roof collapse destroyed several biz jets including 3 Global Express jets, a Hawker and others. The lawsuits went on for years. I have pics during a visit a few days later to the next door FBO Signature but can’t upload. Bummer.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:51 pm

Did the DC8 at Goma Airport ever make it out? It looks like the airport was rebuilt/repaired eventually.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:59 pm

In 1985(?), wasn't there a severe line of thunderstorms that collapsed Comair's hangar roof at CVG? IIRC, there were around 10 aircraft in the hangar at the time.
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:20 pm

On July 12, 1984, a extreme hailstorm damaged 22 jets in Munich Riem airport. Most were Lufthansa, but the worst damage was suffered by a brandnew LTS 757-200 wich had to be repaired at Boeing for aprox. 20 million Deutsche Mark which is approx. 10 million Euro.

Link to news, only in German: https://flughafen-muenchen-riem.de/hist ... n-munchen/
 
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:55 pm

Hurricane Katrina did a job up and down the Gulf Coast.

For instance at Mobile Alabama:

Hurricane Katrina caused more than $7 million in damages to Battleship Memorial Park on August 29, 2005 when it came ashore.[4] It almost completely destroyed the aircraft pavilion and gave Alabama an eight-degree list to port and shifting at her permanent anchorage.[7] This forced the park to temporarily close for repairs. It reopened on January 9, 2006.[8]


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Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:01 pm

N388LS... probably the saddest one of all, since it was an L1011 that would have likely remained in service had this not happened
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:52 pm

The Boeing 307 Stratoliner that was turned into a boat was damaged beyond repair in Miami by a hurricane,so it was converted to a boat.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:56 pm

Oilman wrote:
Did the DC8 at Goma Airport ever make it out?

Nope. It’s still there.
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:08 pm

The fourth fleet incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Fleet ... anese_Navy) flooded the hangars of IJN aircraft carrier Ryūjō. I can't find any information what happened to the aircraft aboard her, but it seems likely that several were damaged, if not destroyed.

acavpics wrote:
Did any aircrafts get severely damaged by the volcanic ashes from Iceland back in 2010?
None AFAIK. Iceland itself wasn't even that much affected by the ashes.

jellyhead wrote:
As per the flooding of DMK airport in Bangkok I don't think there were any direct losses of the airplanes due to floodings. There may have been occasional MDs(of Orient Thai)/TriStars/A300s written off indireclty after that but just because it was convenient to blame it on the flood. There was a number of MDs, TriStars and A300s which have been sitting around just parked there for ages so this may have been good time to get rid of the almost worthless frames.
At least the Las Vegas Sands TriStar would still have continued service, if not for that event.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:26 pm

A tornado hit Daytona Beach on Christmas day 2006 and Embry Riddle lost a good part of their fleet.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Torna ... ddle/38020
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:29 pm

Not exactly a "natural" disaster, but there was the A340(?) that was destroyed during 2016 Civil War of the Avengers at the Leipzig/Halle Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFxjPaF2m4E&t=1m35s

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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:46 pm

Fedex had some ATRs get played with by a tornado in GSP a few years ago, I think LBB as well.

In 2012 the DFW area got hit with tornados and some AA planes were grounded due to damage.

CO, and then, UA moved their planes from IAH and parked them elsewhere for Ike in 2008 and Harvey in 2017 respectively. I lived under the approach for 27 in to IAH, its a weird sight to not see airplanes fly over. AFAIK no planes were in IAH during those hurricanes unless they were in hangars which I imagine are built to withstand hurricanes.
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n797mx wrote:
EMBQA wrote:
I cant think of any. With the exception of an earthquake, all of the other events would be predicted and the aircraft would just not be flown into the effected areas.

You can't really identify and fly your plane out in the event of a tsunami or tornado in most cases. Any kind of predictions would only come as the event was already unfolding.


No, you can't, but those are fairly rare and small events. (It's pretty rare for a tornado to hit a major airport. Yeh, yeh, STL in 2011 but that didn't destroy commercial aircraft.) viewtopic.php?t=556769
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:57 pm

I believe it happened either in 2016 or 2017, but a tornado struck Nassau Int’l Airport, and freakishly, only one plane was damaged beyond repair: a brand new ATR-72-600 of Bahamasair.
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:27 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
Not exactly a "natural" disaster, but there was the A340(?) that was destroyed during 2016 Civil War of the Avengers at the Leipzig/Halle Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFxjPaF2m4E&t=1m35s

/joke :hyper:


Funny story about that ... the film's producers asked to film that scene at Hartsfield.

KATL, not surprisingly, refused.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:39 pm

26point2 wrote:
slinky09 wrote:
What about the roof that collapsed on the hanger in Washington from heavy snow - was it that?


It was @ KIAD Dulles Jet Center. The roof collapse destroyed several biz jets including 3 Global Express jets, a Hawker and others. The lawsuits went on for years. I have pics during a visit a few days later to the next door FBO Signature but can’t upload. Bummer.


You can find lots of pictures online. Here are a few, including an aerial shot: https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... es-airport

That snowstorm was crazy, and Dulles got absolutely walloped. 32.4 inches on Feb 5-6, followed by another 10 inches of snow a few days later...
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:02 pm

FlyHPN

Bunch of hooligans.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:09 pm

Some great replies and pics. I appreciate it !
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:15 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Oilman wrote:
Did the DC8 at Goma Airport ever make it out?

Nope. It’s still there...

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Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:12 pm

Nice pictures.

The DRC has had so much negativity over the years.
 
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Re: aircraft losses in natural disasters

Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:47 pm

Hurricane Hugo destroyed all but one aircraft in Aero Virgin Island’s fleet in STT back in 1989. Airline ended operations after that. I remember seeing photos of a Braniff III Boeing 727 pushed nose down into a drainage ditch at MIA during Hurricane Andrew. I don’t think it was returned to service.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:29 pm

Many planes were destroyed by hail storm/CB clouds like this beauty:

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