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Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:26 pm

KLM already has the 2 largest variants of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner on -9 and -10, but in the future I could buy the Boeing 787-8 still has the 25 purchase options, it would be perfect to replace the Airbus A330-200 / 300 in the future since most are leased, they would be suitable for their destinations in the Middle East, Africa and other secondary destinations in America and better optimize your long-haul fleet to only Boeing 777 and 787
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:32 pm

They could, but as always, it depends on the price. I would expect more 787-9's though as space is limited in Amsterdam. This way you can upgauge without extra flights.
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:52 pm

I think it's very unlikely they choose the 788 as the future replacement for their A333 fleet, the Airbus has just 2 seats less. The A332 would be possible but like FlyRow I think they just go for the 789.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:05 pm

Most of their A332 routes aren't very long so they might even go for a mix of 787-9's and 787-10's there.
At the moment there are ten 747's to replace and there are 14 more 787's on order.
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:07 pm

Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not as AMS is already constrained and it only makes sense to up-gauge fleet replacements. Expect more 789s and 78X
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:32 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not as AMS is already constrained and it only makes sense to up-gauge fleet replacements. Expect more 789s and 78X

The constrainment is temporary. And KL has a lot of
seats in the current 789 and 78X, so those may be just too big. I can see the 788 as an A332 replacement.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:33 pm

KL will not order 787-8s, remember they had the 787-9 as replacement for their A330 fleet in mind before KL decided to keep them longer. Only 4 of their A332s were returned to the lessor and replaced by 789s, the other A332s are now owned by KLM. When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:38 pm

frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:18 pm

VSMUT wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.

But then again, with AMS being so slot restricted it's simply not interesting for KLM to look at those kind of routes.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:31 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.

But then again, with AMS being so slot restricted it's simply not interesting for KLM to look at those kind of routes.


Slot restrictions won't be forever, and if they start considering the 787-8, slot restrictions will already be over.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:40 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.

But then again, with AMS being so slot restricted it's simply not interesting for KLM to look at those kind of routes.

The opposite might happen. When the planned 40.000 slots are added KLM will want to take most of them and need smaller planes to avoid overcapacity.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:29 pm

VSMUT wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.


The 321XLR is not really a cargo hauler is it.....Very unlikely and beside lack of cargo potential an oddball in the fleet. Will not happen.
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:00 pm

My guess is a Boeing/Airbus NMA not currently available will eventually replace the A332s.

Keep in mind the A321XLR is a dramatic step down in capacity from KLM’s A332, probably in the range of 70-80 seats.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:22 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
When it’s time to replace the remaining A330s, it’s going to be probably another mix of 787-9s and -10s.


The A321XLR would make a good A330-200 replacement on thinner routes.

But then again, with AMS being so slot restricted it's simply not interesting for KLM to look at those kind of routes.


At SPL restriction are based on noise. The A321XLR will be very quiet compared to a WB, opening up new opportunities.
In KLM's network MEA and some US east coast destinations could benefit. (I want AMS-Hartford back)
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:49 pm

marcelh wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not as AMS is already constrained and it only makes sense to up-gauge fleet replacements. Expect more 789s and 78X

The constrainment is temporary.


If (!) they get a few more slots it will be slot constrained again very soon after.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:32 am

Is it already clear what aircraft will replace the full passenger 744’s? I read that, for example, it will be the 78J on the AMS-CUR route, meaning less available seats.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:33 am

keesje wrote:
At SPL restriction are based on noise.


Not true, at least not entirely. Slots are slots and you don't get any extra by operating quieter aircraft. It is true that noisy aircraft pay a higher landing fee than quiet aircraft, but this doesn't affect the number of slots at the airport. And those slots are all taken up, there are no unused slots left.

Only thing you can hope for is that some airline that is operating noisy aircraft into Schiphol might find the landing fees too high and pulls out. That would free up slots which you could then possibly get. However it remains one flight for one flight, regardless of the type of aircraft.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:03 am

Airlines shouldn't replace an aircraft that has a 2-4-2 economy seating with one that 'offers' 3-3-3. For this reason I stay away from the 787.
 
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Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:38 am

It's just not going to happen, the 787-8 is the next 767-200.

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