A380MSN004
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A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:22 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for informations/simulations of a 800+ pax A380 High density/Low Cost configuration cabin.

Does any studies exist about this configuration ?
What would be the pitch in case of 800 Pax low cost monoclass cabin ?

Theorically at 800 Pax, on certain routes this configuration should be an advantage. Then why no operators is giving a try ?

Thanks for your feedbacks.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:36 pm

Shhhh... Don't give Spirit any ideas.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:47 pm

"800+ pax A380 High density"

Look at the seating arrangement used for the evac test ?
cite from https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/airbus-a380-evacuation-trial-full-report-everyone-off-in-205793/ :
"Two days later EASA confirmed that the 853 passengers, 18 cabin crew, and two pilots had indeed evacuated in 78s."
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:57 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Then why no operators is giving a try ?


Because low cost per seat, times lots of seats, still equals high total cost.

There are few, if any, routes that could profitably sustain 800+ economy seats on a single flight at low fares on a daily basis year-round. And that’s what is required for something like this to work.

Then there’s the fact that large planes like this weren’t really designed for short-haul operations, have long turnaround times, would be too expensive for high-cycle operations that are common for short hauls. Low-cost long-haul is hard enough to get to work with an efficient plane, and the A380 isn’t really all that efficient for its size.

To put it more simply, the A380 is not a low-cost airplane. Putting lots of seats into one and then selling those seats at low fares doesn’t make it any cheaper to operate.
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:19 pm

UU had plans on a high density 380 service, something 700+ pax. They cancelled the orders. It would not have been pretty.
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:13 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
Theorically at 800 Pax, on certain routes this configuration should be an advantage. Then why no operators is giving a try ?


Because the number of such routes is extremely limited, and in most cases it's better to put multiple smaller planes on the route instead of one big plane. That way they create a higher frequency, giving passengers more choice for their time of travel.

The A380 is simply too big, 800 seats is a too high number to fill. And compared to smaller aircraft, the costs per seat aren't even that much lower. However smaller aircraft are a whole lot easier to fill. With smaller aircraft, you create more flexibility in your schedule.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:53 pm

Maybe WN should buy 50 of them. Imagine the revenue LA to NYC and return.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:21 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
Maybe WN should buy 50 of them. Imagine the revenue LA to NYC and return.


That revenue wouldn't actually be that much, if anything at all. They'd be offering far more capacity than there is demand, creating a huge price dump. Yields would be down the drain. They'd actually lose money on it if they did that.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:27 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Maybe WN should buy 50 of them. Imagine the revenue LA to NYC and return.


That revenue wouldn't actually be that much, if anything at all. They'd be offering far more capacity than there is demand, creating a huge price dump. Yields would be down the drain. They'd actually lose money on it if they did that.


I totally agree, just playing around. Every few months there is another WN should do this as their existing plan is clearly a failure.

Every few months there is an A380 thread that it would be great on China domestic routes, or other high capacity / short & medium haul routes. It is a large plane with lots of structure to allow it to fly 8K+ miles. From efficiency standpoints 2K extra range adds 6% to the cost, so 4K extra range makes the costs brutal.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:31 am

Japanese domestic market is full of bursting at the seams, all Y widebodies - 500 seat 773s and such like.

I'm surprised they haven't given it a go.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:07 am

...the most likely and closest candidate was MAS, operating an 800+ A380 for Hajj flights ex KUL. But the refurbishment was deemed too expensive for only a short period of year.
 
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Re: A380 High Density / Low Cost Configuration

Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:46 am

debonair wrote:
...the most likely and closest candidate was MAS, operating an 800+ A380 for Hajj flights ex KUL. But the refurbishment was deemed too expensive for only a short period of year.


Yes. I remember read something about this. Do we have any numbers regarding the 800+ Y refurbishment cost ?

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