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Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:20 pm

Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:25 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?


Don't know about the other two, but UA is part of Stat Alliance, along OS.

[quote="Nicknuzzii"•Has there ever been service to Vienna?[/quote]

Probably not non-stop, but in the past Pan Am and TWA could have served the city.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:33 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?


Let's flip the question around - why would there be?

I see no reason, which I think answers your question unless you do. If so, please share.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:44 pm

AA flew to VIE for a brief time a few years back IIRC.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:52 pm

DL flew to VIE, I don’t recall AA ever flying to VIE but I may be wrong.


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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:03 pm

Services to EWR, JFK, YUL, ORD, IAD, MIA and LAX by OS seem to cover the market adequately -- with U.S. routes codeshared by UA.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:08 pm

This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside. Now of course theres demand, but not enough to support
a huge amount of carriers. You have both ZRH and MUC close buy for connections and
regional flights to these from the rest of Austria. Austrian really only survives because its
specialises in southern Eastern Europe with connecting traffic. The Only US carrier that
could potentially tap into this is UA, but it does so just as easily in MUC and ZRH.
DL does it in LHR and It would appear AA largely ignores this market which would be
low yielding for them anyway.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:09 pm

Delta was the only US carrier to fly to VIE. I think we will see AA launch VIE from PHL summer seasonal. The Delta flights had decent load factors if I remember correctly, at least in the summer months.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:14 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside. Now of course theres demand, but not enough to support
a huge amount of carriers. You have both ZRH and MUC close buy for connections and
regional flights to these from the rest of Austria. Austrian really only survives because its
specialises in southern Eastern Europe with connecting traffic. The Only US carrier that
could potentially tap into this is UA, but it does so just as easily in MUC and ZRH.
DL does it in LHR and It would appear AA largely ignores this market which would be
low yielding for them anyway.


DL would use AMS/CDG for VIE connections, AA would use LHR.

As a side note, I believe years ago OS and DL had a cooperation agreement. Before the LH group stepped in.


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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:17 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
DL does it in LHR and It would appear AA largely ignores this market which would be low yielding for them anyway.


Not true. Delta doesn't have any feed in London Heathrow, however they use Amsterdam (KLM) and Paris (Air France) as their hubs further into Europe. From there they cover cities like Vienna, Budapest, etc. American Airlines partners with British Airways at Heathrow, giving them a similar coverage in a similar role. They also partner with Iberia in Madrid, but that's quite a detour from Vienna and the Iberia coverage in eastern Europe isn't that great. British Airways has a much better coverage there.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:36 pm

Eastern Europe is out of range of the 757 so needs a 330 or 767. You might see it. Eastern Europe seems to have been a huge hit this summer and AA is going in deeper. You could see a PHL-VIE flight.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:38 pm

N292UX wrote:
AA flew to VIE for a brief time a few years back IIRC.


I thought so too but I actually think it was US.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:40 pm

UA is sort of there thru the JV alliance with LH.
But I wouldn't say low yield is the reason. Vienna can't be any worse than a lot of routes that are flown by US carriers like Lisbon, Athens, Dubrovnik, Edinburgh, Bologna, etc. My guess is U.S. carriers can't compete with OS without losing money.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:48 pm

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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:51 pm

afcjets wrote:
N292UX wrote:
AA flew to VIE for a brief time a few years back IIRC.


I thought so too but I actually think it was US.


US never flew to VIE.


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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:55 pm

Delta started flying to VIE back 5/21/07, according to the route announcement on their website. The last flight took place on 10/5/08. So it lasted almost a year and a half. I'm sure the US economy crash played a major part in them terminating the route. It's surprising that they haven't restarted it in the 10+ years it's been terminated, especially if the load factors were decent during that time.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:57 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?


BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history. OS has always been strong and cornered all segments of the market, SN faltered and US airlines entered the market to fill the GAP leaving SN only some crumbs...
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:05 pm

It also looks like Pan Am service Vienna in the late 80', according to this: http://www.departedflights.com/PA040388international.html
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:19 pm

UA doesn’t need to serve VIE as they are covered by OS and LH-LX connections. DL can get there via AF-KL, same for AA using BA. Why waste an aircraft etc on a route that would be struggling right away when you can find other less risky routes to try out that have less competition (or no nonstop US competition at all).
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:22 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:25 pm

chepos wrote:
As a side note, I believe years ago OS and DL had a cooperation agreement. Before the LH group stepped in.


They did indeed. In 1997 I flew LAX-JFK-FRA on Delta, connecting to FRA-VIE on an Austrian MD-87.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:35 pm

sw733 wrote:
Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


Don't know exactly to which countryside he is referring to, however, as of 01.01.2017, Vienna had more than 1.8 million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria#A ... _divisions
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:36 pm

vinniewinnie wrote:
BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history.


The NATO HQ in Brussels probably has something to do with it....
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:38 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


Don't know exactly to which countryside he is referring to, however, as of 01.01.2017, Vienna had more than 1.8 million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria#A ... _divisions


This makes more sense. So the immediate Vienna area has almost 1.9 million. Add Lower Austria to that, we're up to 3.5 million. Bratislava takes it up to 4 million.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:54 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised to see AA in VIE in a couple of years if the next round of new Eastern European destinations work out.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:56 pm

In the late 80s and early 90s some weekly frequencies of PanAms JFK-HAM had a tag-on to Vienna, operated with A310. The flight even continued to MIA from JFK on the same plane.

For example in Summer 1988:

PA46 MIA 13.35 - xx.x.x JFK 17.45 - 08.05 HAM 09.05 - 10.40 VIE Wed, Sun
PA47 VIE 10.00 - 11.40 HAM 12.45 - 15.25 JFK xx.xx - 21.00 MIA Mon, Sat

Oh the other days the flight operated without the tag-on, but maybe VIE was served via another City on these dass or even nonstop? Interestingly, according to my schedules, the aircraft leaves Vienna before it arrives, also the operating days dont fit, so there must have been other routings as well and they rotated the aircraft around.

Edit: searched on an old 1988 PanAm schedule and found out that Vienna had two weekly nonstop JFK flights in addition to the two weekly via HAM. Interestingly the A310s flew JFK-HAM-VIE-JFK and vice versa. So a triangle Route but with changing flight numbers.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:57 pm

Local demand from Austria/Osterreich/Vienna/Wien to the U.S. is handled by Austrian. Frequent flyers of OS can also fly LH via MUC and FRA, as many have stated.

For USA demand to VIE, one-stop options abound via the U.S. (connecting to OS) and European hubs.

When enough premium demand presents itself to VIE to another U.S. location, Austrian will probably be the one that flies it.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:00 pm

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When enough premium demand presents itself to VIE to another U.S. location, Austrian will probably be the one that flies it.


Probably, unless they find a way like what they have with AC since this Spring. AC serve YYZ and OS YUL.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:08 pm

vinniewinnie wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?


BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history. OS has always been strong and cornered all segments of the market, SN faltered and US airlines entered the market to fill the GAP leaving SN only some crumbs...


There is one huge difference between the two: BRU is also the EU capital, and that fact generates an important amount of traffic that VIE lacks, even from outside the EU. And from the US and overseas, it is mostly premium, high yielding traffic.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:12 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?

Yes there has been US3 service to Vienna. Delta flew it for several years in the naughties. I flew it once VIE-ATL.
 
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:20 pm

If we decide to change it to "North America" AC just started flying to VIE from YYZ
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:26 pm

twincessna340a wrote:
vinniewinnie wrote:
BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history.


The NATO HQ in Brussels probably has something to do with it....


EU too.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:56 am

Seems like something CO would have tried seasonally on a 762.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:43 am

It would be hard for a US carrier to sustain. While most European airline routes to the USA are flown with larger planes, VIE-JFK/EWR and IAD are typically only able to support a B763...the longtime workhorse of US3 carriers on medium-capacity routes before the Dreamliner came along.

Also, yields out of VIE are really depressed owing to ULCCs dominating there, especially W6, FR (as OE), VK (as LEVEL) and EW/E2. It's reasonable to question if there is a long-haul future out of VIE in the future.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:24 am

sw733 wrote:
Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


No just Vienna.

Kind of sad really but LH wants MUC to work first and there are just 12 long haul aircraft active. 6 767s, and 6 777s.
given that they need an A check every week that leaves 10 on duty at any time. Between BKK and china there's
half the 777 fleet tied up, and a couple of destinations in North America plus Dubai and there's there 767 fleet
tied up. I suspect the strategy is not to for LH group airlines to try compete with themselves too much.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:07 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


Don't know exactly to which countryside he is referring to, however, as of 01.01.2017, Vienna had more than 1.8 million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria#A ... _divisions


That was a rounded off figure and what you just quoted confirmed it.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:11 am

sw733 wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
sw733 wrote:

Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


Don't know exactly to which countryside he is referring to, however, as of 01.01.2017, Vienna had more than 1.8 million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria#A ... _divisions


This makes more sense. So the immediate Vienna area has almost 1.9 million. Add Lower Austria to that, we're up to 3.5 million. Bratislava takes it up to 4 million.


It is really impressive to see the difference that some institutions or corporate can do to such a market: if you compare the situation in VIE to those in BRU, GVA or ZRH, all have a similar or smaller catchment area, probably ewer tourism than VIE but larger number of oversea flights. Not that I did not believe it but this looks like a perfect example.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:37 am

Well , while it may look sleepy and decadent, is not that Vienna lacks of first class institutions. UN and Opec come just on top of my mind. IEA as weĺl has some active office looks like.
And besides the East EU catchment area , Vienna is the second biggest German speaking city on the world, with a reasonable lifestyle even compared to US.
I see the LH power games going against VIE, but AA and DL may want to try one day. Personally I hate to fly Austrian to US just because you get then connection with UA, possibly in Chicago. A nightmare.
DL would be really welcome IMO.
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:43 pm

I don't understand why it's so difficult for some to imagine a US carrier flying into Vienna. Sure OS has some North American flights but the market is extremely wealthy and Austrians do travel a lot. If AA can fly to Prague or Budapest then I don't see why Vienna should be a problem especially when you add the whole catchment area. I think we will eventually see AA from PHL and I am certain they will do well enough there.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:49 pm

Busyboy2 wrote:
twincessna340a wrote:
vinniewinnie wrote:
BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history.


The NATO HQ in Brussels probably has something to do with it....


EU too.

BRU is also big for UA because of SN's African network which makes up majority of the load for their flights to BRU. In the Non-Schengen zone for example at BRU, UA has a large transfer desk section which is meant solely for those transfers.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:00 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Lufthansa wrote:
This one is easy. The population of Vienna isn't that big, its like 1.8 million if you include
the countryside.


Just curious - does that number include nearby parts of Hungary and Slovakia? Bratislava isn't huge but does total up to about 500,000 people for which VIE would be the easiest airport that has any decent service beyond Ryanair/Wizz Air and some holiday services.


Don't know exactly to which countryside he is referring to, however, as of 01.01.2017, Vienna had more than 1.8 million people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria#A ... _divisions


No countryside
Vienna is about 1,8 Million on the paper
In Reality i guess about 2,0
Thats within City limits

Of you add a Car driving Distanz from one Hour around VIE than you will end not far very from that Count

If you add a car driving distanz from two Hours you will get 3 Million People more Within Austria an additional about 3 Million more from abroad, Maybe more (bratislava Praha budapest)
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:21 pm

A bit of trivia:

Last DL L-1011 transoceanic service was VIE-ATL on 30 November 1998.
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:38 pm

dcajet wrote:
vinniewinnie wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?


BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history. OS has always been strong and cornered all segments of the market, SN faltered and US airlines entered the market to fill the GAP leaving SN only some crumbs...


There is one huge difference between the two: BRU is also the EU capital, and that fact generates an important amount of traffic that VIE lacks, even from outside the EU. And from the US and overseas, it is mostly premium, high yielding traffic.


I wouldn’t overestimate the amount of business created by NATO and the EU to/from the US.

Also, whilst it is true that these organisations attract visitors, the fact that most American airlines serving BRU started flying to BRU after Sabena’s demise is way more important as an explanatory factor than the EU or NATO.

If OS were to disappear for some reason, you could be sure that American Airlines would fly from IAD, EWR, JFK and ORD to VIE. The market to the US is there and is similar to BRU’s in many aspects.

Besides, Vienna has UN, OPEC and IAE amongst others.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:54 pm

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Maybe more (bratislava Praha budapest)


However those people got their own airports nearby, they don't drive all the way to Vienna to take a flight. That restricts the catchment area of Vienna significantly.

Some people from Bratislava might drive to Vienna to fly from there as these two cities are really close to each other. But on the other hand, some people from Vienna might drive to Bratislava and fly from there so that offsets each other. But people from Prague or Budapest certainly aren't going to drive to Vienna, no way! Those cities got their own airports with their own catchment areas.
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:26 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
When enough premium demand presents itself to VIE to another U.S. location, Austrian will probably be the one that flies it.


Probably, unless they find a way like what they have with AC since this Spring. AC serve YYZ and OS YUL.


Good example of what is probably a revenue-neutral approach within Star Alliance. My guess would be YYZ offers connections via AC, whereas YUL is more O&D from VIE and Europe.

Thanks for the information - I didn't know either route existed!
 
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:27 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Some people from Bratislava might drive to Vienna to fly from there as these two cities are really close to each other. But on the other hand, some people from Vienna might drive to Bratislava and fly from there so that offsets each other.

Indeed. Bratislava is predominantly used by Low Cost airlines, similar to Salzburg in Austria. Vienna is a major hub with lots of full service carriers.
In regards to service to/from the U.S. I think it's fair to say that Bratislava is part of the catchment area for VIE. You can catch a bus from the airport right into Bratislava for a mere 5 Euros. It's a 1 hour ride.
 
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:38 pm

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dcajet wrote:
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BRU and VIE are pretty comparable. One gets a sizeable amount of US metal, the one not. One reason is history. OS has always been strong and cornered all segments of the market, SN faltered and US airlines entered the market to fill the GAP leaving SN only some crumbs...


There is one huge difference between the two: BRU is also the EU capital, and that fact generates an important amount of traffic that VIE lacks, even from outside the EU. And from the US and overseas, it is mostly premium, high yielding traffic.


I wouldn’t overestimate the amount of business created by NATO and the EU to/from the US.

Also, whilst it is true that these organisations attract visitors, the fact that most American airlines serving BRU started flying to BRU after Sabena’s demise is way more important as an explanatory factor than the EU or NATO.

If OS were to disappear for some reason, you could be sure that American Airlines would fly from IAD, EWR, JFK and ORD to VIE. The market to the US is there and is similar to BRU’s in many aspects.

Besides, Vienna has UN, OPEC and IAE amongst others.


American carriers have been flying to BRU for decades now: TW & PA flew there since the 50s at least and TW was flying to BRU pretty much until right before being acquired by AA, DL got the route with the purchase of PA's North Atlantic network (sans London) in 1991, AA, IIRC, was flying to BRU from ORD (or JFK?) in the late 80s/early 90s and United since the 90s (IAD). SN collapsed in 2001.
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Re: Why is there no service via the US3 to Vienna?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:10 am

winginit wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Would be greatly appreciated if someone could help answer my questions!

•Why is there no service to Vienna on the US3?
•Has there ever been service to Vienna?
•Are Austrian's TATL routes profitable?
•Is it possible for any of the US3 to fly into Vienna maybe AA- (PHL- VIE)?


Let's flip the question around - why would there be?

I see no reason, which I think answers your question unless you do. If so, please share.


It's a Star Alliance hub, so DL And AA are unlikely to serve it from the US. UA, AC, and OS swap passengers at Star Alliance hubs like IAD, EWR, ORD, and YYZ in North America or in Star Alliance focus cities like LHR, and AMS in Europe.

There's also the issue that VIE is far enough east that flying from hubs further west than ORD could make turning aircraft in less than 24 hours per round trip a problem. By exchanging passengers at western European airports and eastern North American airports, planes can be more efficiently scheduled.

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