Vladex
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Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:33 pm

Continuation of this
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The definition of "collusion" is simply that two parties use their leverage and power against a third party even if that party is undefined or one of their own and also for short term gain against long term interests. Legality or Illegality is irrelevant since governments and political parties collude all the time and they never accuse themselves but that's another story.

By collusion I mean real prices of 25 of A380 is about 6.25B. and 70 of A330/A350 is about 10B. . That's not a simple conversion and it's a big increase in prices and capacity. So in short time both get what they want , Airbus clears the line and focuses on fast selling A321 and EK gets some smaller wide bodies to start new destinations.

In the long run, EK becomes just another mid east airline and Airbus loses the jet that made it famous and the only one ready for future engine developments. Now of course the real collusion against A380 as such was led by Boeing as expected but also big state airlines of US3 and EU3 and Qantas even though they had some A380's in their fleet. They were much more angry against EK and SQ taking over their hubs in one swoop with a jumbo jet and a much better product against their bloated legacy carrier.
 
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 pm

No Vlsadex, there was NO collusion to end the A380. Airlines determined they couldn't make money on it at the price Airbus offered; therefore, it went out of business. It's that simple.
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:27 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
No Vlsadex, there was NO collusion to end the A380. Airlines determined they couldn't make money on it at the price Airbus offered; therefore, it went out of business. It's that simple.


These same airlines also thought that they could make money with 737 MAX , so why do they demand compensation for their free choice?
 
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:17 pm

Airbus colluded with EK and RR to stop the bleeding.
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:53 pm

Vladex wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
No Vlsadex, there was NO collusion to end the A380. Airlines determined they couldn't make money on it at the price Airbus offered; therefore, it went out of business. It's that simple.


These same airlines also thought that they could make money with 737 MAX , so why do they demand compensation for their free choice?


You can’t even compare the two things. The MAX is very efficient and profitable for the airlines when in service and it will be again. The argument makes zero sense scout. Sorry.
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:20 pm

I'm just sad that this is the end of relatively comfortable 10-abreast (which is suitable for a 747 or A380, but not a 777)
 
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:08 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
Vladex wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
No Vlsadex, there was NO collusion to end the A380. Airlines determined they couldn't make money on it at the price Airbus offered; therefore, it went out of business. It's that simple.


These same airlines also thought that they could make money with 737 MAX , so why do they demand compensation for their free choice?


You can’t even compare the two things. The MAX is very efficient and profitable for the airlines when in service and it will be again. The argument makes zero sense scout. Sorry.


Of course I can't compare the best and the worst airplane out there, or a fossil and a baby of an airplane in terms of age and development or the ugliest and the best looking airplane out there. Even a blind man could see that the engine doesn't fit on the "max" and that it's a dead airplane rolling around and it's the least efficient narrow body out there.
 
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:41 pm

Vladex wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Vladex wrote:

These same airlines also thought that they could make money with 737 MAX , so why do they demand compensation for their free choice?


You can’t even compare the two things. The MAX is very efficient and profitable for the airlines when in service and it will be again. The argument makes zero sense scout. Sorry.


Of course I can't compare the best and the worst airplane out there, or a fossil and a baby of an airplane in terms of age and development or the ugliest and the best looking airplane out there. Even a blind man could see that the engine doesn't fit on the "max" and that it's a dead airplane rolling around and it's the least efficient narrow body out there.


Look, if you want to troll, take it to another website. Your supposition is wrong on so many levels. If you want to come here and learn, then fine. Otherwise, take your crap elsewhere because it’s not welcome here.

You clearly do know much of anything and are making a fool of yourself. You’d be better off sitting back and actually learning something from those of us who have been here a while and actually know a little something.
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Re: Was there collusion to end the A380?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:53 pm

There is no collusion on the A380. Airbus tried to make it work with EK, but in the end it's more profitable for Airbus to focus on the A350XWB & the A330neo, together with the A320neo, than to continue marketing & developing the whalejet.

If you want to talk about collusion - Concorde is a good subject. There are rumours that Air France & Airbus colluded to stop BA from continuing to operate the aircraft after AF called it quits. And to be honest I can see it to be logical, given how BA gave its final Concorde flights the fanfare it deserves, while AF basically ended operations without much publicity.
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