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Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:08 pm

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SHU5497/history/20190815/1730Z/RKSI/UHSS

According to the data provided:

HZ 5497 departs Incheon at 2:26am (KST) and arrives at Yuzhno Sakhalinsk at 7:11am (+11 GMT)
Total flight time clocked at 2 Hours and 45 Minutes

An incredibly mundane flight made even more mundane by making it a red-eye flight
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:18 pm

The worst redeye I have ever done is LAS-DFW. Leave at 1am, arrive at 545am, with barely 2h15 in the air. Truly painful.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:42 pm

I just did one of the Vegas redeyes this week. LAS-IAH on UA. Departs LAS at 1:00, arrived in Houston at 5:22 with less than 2.5 hours in the air.

Tons of these kinds of flights out there around the world.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:14 pm

sw733 wrote:
The worst redeye I have ever done is LAS-DFW. Leave at 1am, arrive at 545am, with barely 2h15 in the air. Truly painful.


I did a America West flight back in 2000 on the same route as a redeye. Bad experience...Lol
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 pm

NK used to run a 145AM to FLL from MSP. Think it was just about 3 hours in the air. Absolutely brutal. But it made for a great opportunity to do a full weekend in South Florida as the the return left at 730PM.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:56 pm

How about Frontier's LAX-DEN departing at 12:59am arriving at 4:22am with a flight time of 2 hours 23 minutes? True flight time in the air is around 1 hour 50 minutes. Such a disaster of a flight.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:11 pm

I've done Delta's SLC-ATL redeye more times than I care to think about. It's convenient, for sure, but the times I took it, it was scheduled to leave at 11:55 PM, which means it's still 3 AM body-clock-time upon getting to Atlanta around 5.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:27 pm

I've never done any short red eyes. I did LAS- JFK. I don't recall the specifics but I remember feeling pretty beat landing in NYC at daylight. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the long TATL flights. JFK- FRA close to 7 hrs in the air with gaining 6 more on the ground. Unless you can sleep that whole flight away in economy that's a tough one. Coming back was great though. Around 8 hrs only losing 2 on the ground. Made for a great day.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:40 pm

timh4000 wrote:
I've never done any short red eyes. I did LAS- JFK. I don't recall the specifics but I remember feeling pretty beat landing in NYC at daylight. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the long TATL flights. JFK- FRA close to 7 hrs in the air with gaining 6 more on the ground. Unless you can sleep that whole flight away in economy that's a tough one. Coming back was great though. Around 8 hrs only losing 2 on the ground. Made for a great day.


I think the worst TATLs are eastbounds in winter when the jet stream is strong and flights sometimes get an hour less airtime than scheduled. I flew EWR-FRA last December, leaving Newark around 7:15pm eastern and, with strong tailwind, arrived in FRA the next morning at 7:45am, just 6:30hrs airborne. Worse yet, by the time all dinner service had been finished there were maybe 3 hours tops before the cabin turned bright again for breakfast. This "breakfast" was served at 12:30am eastern and we landed at 1:45am "body clock time" - not very enjoyable.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:38 pm

timh4000 wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the long TATL flights. JFK- FRA close to 7 hrs in the air with gaining 6 more on the ground. Unless you can sleep that whole flight away in economy that's a tough one.


I've done IAD-LHR and JFK-LHR more times than I care to count. I certainly prefer longer overnight flights so on these just dine on the ground before boarding, change into PJs at boarding and bed down as soon as wheels are up. Most other passengers (at least in F and J) do the same thing. I take the last flight if possible so it's not so bad...

To me the JFK-FRA that leaves at about 4pm and lands at dawn in Frankfurt seems brutal. I've done IAD-LHR when it leaves at 6.30pm or so and it's just overall pretty miserable trying to convince yourself to sleep so early.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:07 am

Depends on whether i’m working or riding in the cabin

As a night owl I find working east bound to Europe very pleasant, leaving and arriving in a time window I’m normally awake in, plus I prefer flying at night, whereas the return I find much more tiring


When passengering the opposite applies !!


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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:21 am

Do like some bizjets do—I want eight hours sleep, NYC-LTN in his Gulfstream. So, they wander around Newfoundland and Labrador before heading eastbound.

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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:25 am

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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:20 am

I took the red eye from SFO-IAH on CO after being up almost all day and driving from Sacramento. When we arrived in IAH my mom had to keep me awake as we we're walking through the airport to get the car.

I will also try from now on to fly to Europe from the west coast of the US, so i can have time to eat and watch a movie, then get decent sleep. Sometimes crews like to take their time serving so by the time service is totally done the flight is 1/3-1/2 over.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:46 am

America West was mentioned up thread. I remember LAS-DSM red eyes on crjs. That must have been dreadful.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:15 pm

DAR to IST leaving around 3 am getting in at around 9 AM and then having to connect on to SFO was challenging. CAI to CDG leaving at 2 AM getting in around 5:30 AM and then a 4 hour layover going on to MSP, ugh...
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:48 pm

Interesting topic - thank you for posting!

As well all know (except Southwest people!), red-eyes are a way to extend revenue as well as offering people a painful but very convenient way of eastbound travel. Some people sleep well on planes, some people do not, just as some people adjust to time zone changes better than others. And considering the painfully early times required for the first bank of eastbound flights from the west coast, for some people red-eyes are easier to deal with than crowded early morning hours.

Let us all remember to that many parts of the world are not only used to "dark hours" at an airport, but preferred. Most flights from South Asia & Africa to European/ME3 hubs arrive in the very early hours so as to connect to other European/North American hubs. India's monsoon season and the Arabian desert's heat make "middle-of-the-night" flights much easier to deal with at that time.

Let us also remember that unless you are flying in business class on that North America to Europe flight, you're in coach, and you'll be trying to sleep sitting up - and landing 5+ time zones ahead. No matter how excited you are about seeing an exotic locale, you're on a red-eye.

Ironically enough, here at SAN, our departure curfew of 11:30 PM really only prevents three red-eye flights: SAN-MSP, SAN-DFW, and SAN-IAH. Both AA and UA have/have had SAN-ORD flights, departing at 11 PM and is the first arriving flight of the morning into ORD. I've done it on both airlines, and it is fascinating to see the airport awaken. Talk about the shortest lines at the airport!

Oddly enough, SAN-Eastern Time Zone flights also seem to be the first to arrive in the early morning - more than once I have flown SAN-ATL on the red-eye and been the first from the west to arrive, and my personal record for crossing the country was a Continental red-eye 737-700 SAN-EWR. The pilot advised us that, although the skies were mostly clear, the jet stream was quite strong, and we could hit some turbulence unexpectedly. Wheels up to wheels down was 4 hours and 15 minutes - arriving an entire 45 minutes early, but no waiting for a gate. Nothing else was even close to arriving at that point!

Okay, enough of this: to the OP's original question.

Any red-eye can be relaxing; any red-eye can be painful. My last red-eye was SAN-CLT on an AA A321 - in 10C, an exit row with non-reclining seats. And a crying baby. What should have been four hours of sleeping/meditating (as I call it) was lost. Probably my worst, but only because of circumstances. Get me some coffee afterwards, and I can deal with the world!
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:06 pm

I have a good candidate for 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

IB3351 CAI0020 – 0440MAD 319 x135

I flew a couple of times that route before it was axed (similar timing) and it was painful. Those Iberia A319s are torture - tightest legroom ever - and the schedule is dreadful.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:18 pm

Norwegian D8 CPH-MLA 23.40-02.55 and the return 03.40-06.55. 3hrs 15min B738.

Been on these way too many times, unfortunately the only direct link from Copenhagen to Malta. Let's hope that Ryanair thinks about a 2nd route to Denmark when changing to Malta Air.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:50 am

Anything India > Southeast Asia. Most flights depart India close to midnight (around 1:30/2:30am in BKK, KUL, SIN) and land around 6:30am.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:30 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Do like some bizjets do—I want eight hours sleep, NYC-LTN in his Gulfstream. So, they wander around Newfoundland and Labrador before heading eastbound.

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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:28 am

Not a big fan of these, but have to take them:
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* Entebbe - Nairobi : WB464 3:00-4:10 & KQ419 3:50-5:05

A terrible one, that has now been removed in March this year, is KQ 5th freedom Bujumbura - Kigali vv departing at 2am for a 30min block time... :hypnotized:
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:42 am

The YHZ-KEF flights on Icelandair were timed for a pretty miserable red-eye. 21:30-04:45 with 4h15 flight time.

Of course the MAX issues killed the route.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:53 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I have a good candidate for 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

IB3351 CAI0020 – 0440MAD 319 x135

I flew a couple of times that route before it was axed (similar timing) and it was painful. Those Iberia A319s are torture - tightest legroom ever - and the schedule is dreadful.

Same exact story with the DSS flight. Leaves in the middle of the night from Dakar and arrives back in MAD at 3:30 with it being the first arrival of the day for the airport. Do they at least serve a meal on the DSS/Upcoming CAI service or they just offer their lame BOB service?
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:55 pm

IMO for there to be a viable redeye flight there needs to be a minimum three-hour difference between departure and arrival times (local) so 00:00-03:00 or 01:00-04:00. We're lucky we don't see them even more often. A DFW-JFK flight could be 00:00-04:45 easily.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:10 pm

MS910 leaves CAI at 2230 arrives in DXB at 0330, flying time maybe 2h50. Return leaves DXB 0500 arrives in CAI at 0730. Brutal (and DXB is very busy at 4 am in arrivals) but allows for a full day of work on either end. Done it many times.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:31 am

SaieshPai wrote:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SHU5497/history/20190815/1730Z/RKSI/UHSS

According to the data provided:

HZ 5497 departs Incheon at 2:26am (KST) and arrives at Yuzhno Sakhalinsk at 7:11am (+11 GMT)
Total flight time clocked at 2 Hours and 45 Minutes

An incredibly mundane flight made even more mundane by making it a red-eye flight


You can thank the current slot situation at ICN for this...
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:42 am

AS had a red eye from JNU-SEA in the early/mid 2000s on a 734. It left JNU at 01:00 and arrived SEA at 04:00. That’s a two hour flight, with the one hour time difference.

Even now, there are several 3 1/2 hour ANC-SEA red-eyes or short red-eyes like SEA-MSP or SEA-DFW.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:29 am

Frontier has a few red-eyes from the West Coast to DEN (SFO, LAX, LAS).

Of these, the LAS-DEN flight is by far the worst. It averages around 1:20 in the air.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:49 am

Not as bad a some of yours but I did DL's SEA-DTW earlier this year and will never again....
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:33 pm

JFK-BTV on an E190 earlier this month... just look https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KJFK/KBTV

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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:28 pm

Coal wrote:
Anything India > Southeast Asia. Most flights depart India close to midnight (around 1:30/2:30am in BKK, KUL, SIN) and land around 6:30am.


I don't think it's that bad now is it? You still have around 5 hours to sleep.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:06 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Coal wrote:
Anything India > Southeast Asia. Most flights depart India close to midnight (around 1:30/2:30am in BKK, KUL, SIN) and land around 6:30am.


I don't think it's that bad now is it? You still have around 5 hours to sleep.

BLR-SIN actually flying time is about 4 hours. When you account for the time it takes from take off to FL100 and landing, you at best get 3 hours of sleep.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:05 pm

There's a whole bunch of Aeroflot red-eyes from western Europe to SVO departing between 10 and 11pm, and arriving in SVO around 3-4am. Have been on those from FRA and ZRH. Extremely painful, around 2.5-3h airtime with maximum 1h sleep when the light is switched off :tired:

Also, TK, LOT, UIA, AUA and many other European carriers offer red eyes to eastern Europe and Central Asia. Have been on those to Tehran, Tbilisi, Yerevan, Dushanbe, Tashkent, Shymkent, Ashgabat, Bishkek, etc. Some of them allow at least 3-4h of sleep, so slighty better than the SU red-eyes :fight:

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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:45 pm

Last week I flew from KFLL to Campinas, Brazil on Azul and while the flight was a long one, 8 hours, the arrival time in Campinas was kind of rough, 5 a.m. In fact my flight was the first one in for the new day.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:47 am

I recently had a red eye to the east coast. Chose to back track to SEA for a connection, it made for longer sleep across the country. Probably the best I could do with added convenience of having a full day at destination.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:02 am

How about ones with no time change:

NK451: PBG 0200 -> FLL 0532
NK647: IAG 0230 -> FLL 0529

AM661: ORD 0140 -> GDL 0530
4O841: ORD 0200 -> GDL 0625
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:53 pm

I wonder if a redeye ORD-LGA could work.
 
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:40 am

I have a new one I recently tried. Sri Lankan flight UL 306. Departs CMB 1:50am (which is 4:20am in SIN) and lands in SIN at 8:30am. Flight time is around 3h20m. Snagged 3 seats in the last row of the plane to lay down and sleep. F/As kept the lights on the entire flight. About an hour into the flight, despite laying down, having eye cover and blanket on top, the F/A poked me a few times to ask me what I wanted for my meal (around 3am CMB / 5:30am SIN). WTF!? Horrible flight. Ended up taking a 5 hour nap when I got home.
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Re: Most Painful Red Eye Flight of 2019?

Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:02 am

HP69 wrote:
I wonder if a redeye ORD-LGA could work.


LGA has an 0000-0600 Curfew.

ORD-LGA can be blocked as short as 2:10 during evening hours. We'll assume a redeye could operate even faster, say 2 hours even. Therefore, to arrive at LGA after 0600, it would have to leave ORD at 0300 or later. That's not a redeye.

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