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Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:47 am

Where does AF fly its A380s? JFK? NRT? SIN?
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:53 am

PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:54 am

PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:01 am

Where it loses the least amount of Euros...
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:03 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB


Add IAD And ABJ
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:26 am

Paris.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:57 am

No more to NRT, SIN etc?

What about LH?
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:58 am

KFTG wrote:
Paris.



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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:57 am

Soon, they won't fly them anywhere anymore as they're planning to get rid of them.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:07 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Soon, they won't fly them anywhere anymore as they're planning to get rid of them.


So anywhere you get a soda-can onboard you can fly a AF A380?
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:43 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB

Are SFO and ATL year round or just seasonal?
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:25 am

When will they be phased out? 2022?

Still some time to go
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:43 am

UAUA wrote:
When will they be phased out? 2022?

Still some time to go


Not to be rude, but use that website named google instead of only asking one-line questions in this topic without adding information or contributing to a discussion.

Answer: yes 2022, first link I found online.
https://simpleflying.com/air-france-a380-retire/
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:20 pm

They used to fly them to DXB
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:14 pm

Not JNB at the moment...but seems it might be back on from next season (NW19/20)
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:20 pm

I think they also sent them to Montreal at one point.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 pm

Summer schedule 2019 (until Oct. 26th ) : LAX, MEX, PVG, ATL, IAD, JFK x 2 daly, SFO (until Sept. 8th).

Winter schedule 2019 (starting Oct 27th) : LAX, JFK, MIA, JNB, PVG, MEX
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:53 pm

UAUA wrote:
When will they be phased out? 2022?

Still some time to go


1 aircraft Sept. 2019, 2 in 2020, 2 in 2021, 5 in 2022.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:30 pm

DCA350 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB


Add IAD And ABJ

I read ABJ = Abidjan, Ivory coast had two million passengers in 2017. How can they have an A380 ervice?
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:48 pm

Sokes wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
PVG,MEX,LAX,SFO,ATL,JNB


Add IAD And ABJ

I read ABJ = Abidjan, Ivory coast had two million passengers in 2017. How can they have an A380 ervice?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9li ... Statistics


Oil and large historical ties. One of the fastest growing and largest populations and economies in Africa.
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:13 am

FlyRow wrote:
Sokes wrote:
DCA350 wrote:

Add IAD And ABJ

I read ABJ = Abidjan, Ivory coast had two million passengers in 2017. How can they have an A380 ervice?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9li ... Statistics


Oil and large historical ties. One of the fastest growing and largest populations and economies in Africa.


Air France doesn’t operate the A380 to ABJ anymore.

AF operates 1 x Daily nonstop B77W (AF702/703) and 6 x Weekly B787 (A359 starting Oct 7th) routing CDG-BKO-ABJ-BKO-CDG (AF520/521).
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:12 am

FlySSC wrote:
Air France doesn’t operate the A380 to ABJ anymore.

AF operates 1 x Daily nonstop B77W (AF702/703) and 6 x Weekly B787 (A359 starting Oct 7th) routing CDG-BKO-ABJ-BKO-CDG (AF520/521).


Distance from Paris to Bamaku (Mali) is 4137 kilometers (2570 miles). Distance between Bamako and Abidjan is 926 kilometers (575 miles).

Earlier AF used A380 with hardly any cargo capability. Later they replace it with two cargo capable widebodies. Again later they replace B787-9 with A350-900, of which they have only three pieces as of Oct. 19. But they have 43 B777-300ER. If they have 13 flights/ week anyway, why not cut one flight/ week and replace the A350 with B777-300ER? I would have assumed the A350 would be better used to China and beyond. Or is a easy available B777-300ER better for ten to twelve hour flights which don't allow for one turnaround/ day? What about flights beyond 12 hours? Or are B777-300ER better to China because they have more seats? If yes, the B777X is going to have a bright future.

Final assembly of the A350 is in Toulouse. Did the French government call in a favor and asked Air France to do a real life high cycle test with full belly-loads?
In which case it should always be the same A350 to do these flights.
As entry into service was in Jan 2015, is the end of 2019 not a bit late for such experiments?

I'm confused. Can somebody explain?
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:19 am

I don't know a huge amount about France...why did AF pick those particular destinations for A380 service? Like I can figure out for myself that BA sends A380s to HKG and SIN due to close colonial ties and the Alpha+++ financial hub status of London, Hong Kong and Singapore. But I'm at a loss as to explain why AF sends A380s to DC, Atlanta, Shanghai, Mexico City, Joburg, etc. Maybe because they're all large and wealthy population centers? Maybe because Renault does a lot of business in China? Maybe to carry connecting traffic from SF/LA to India? FlyRow's explanation about ABJ was extremely helpful. I didn't even know the Ivory Coast had oil. All I know about the country was that they had a bloody civil war in 2002.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:02 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I don't know a huge amount about France...why did AF pick those particular destinations for A380 service? Like I can figure out for myself that BA sends A380s to HKG and SIN due to close colonial ties and the Alpha+++ financial hub status of London, Hong Kong and Singapore. But I'm at a loss as to explain why AF sends A380s to DC, Atlanta, Shanghai, Mexico City, Joburg, etc. Maybe because they're all large and wealthy population centers? Maybe because Renault does a lot of business in China? Maybe to carry connecting traffic from SF/LA to India? FlyRow's explanation about ABJ was extremely helpful. I didn't even know the Ivory Coast had oil. All I know about the country was that they had a bloody civil war in 2002.


was wondering as well ,why MEX especially?if i remember right the last 747 was from MEX why such a big plane for Mexico where we don't really have strong ties
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:29 pm

Sokes wrote:

I'm confused. Can somebody explain?



AF seems to like using their new widebodies on shorter routes for awhile, possibly for ease of training. The 787s spent months going to Cairo and London before finally going transatlantic.

As for MEX... maybe it has something to do with Aeroméxico connections? I believe even KL operates a 744 in so clearly there's some need for capacity.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:44 pm

FGITD wrote:
AF seems to like using their new widebodies on shorter routes for awhile, possibly for ease of training. The 787s spent months going to Cairo and London before finally going transatlantic.

That explains it. Thanks.
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:09 pm

Since AF doesn't think the A380 fits very well in their network/fleet, they send them where it makes the most sense :
- first, most of the destinations are 11+ hours flights, hence allowing less frequent boarding and deboarding which require time and human ressources
- most of the destinations need capacity, but not necessary frequency (MIA, JNB, MEX, SFO, IAD)
- some of these destinations are Skyteam partners' hubs (ATL, MEX, PVG)
- eventually some of them need capacity AND frequency (LAX, JFK, ATL)
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:57 am

Apparently they have one way flights to MLA as well. Though they're only sporadic.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:25 am

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Apparently they have one way flights to MLA as well. Though they're only sporadic.


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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:36 am

LY777 wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
Apparently they have one way flights to MLA as well. Though they're only sporadic.


The plane that flew to MLA is withdrawn from fleet


Sorry, I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:01 pm

FANMD11 wrote:
Since AF doesn't think the A380 fits very well in their network/fleet, they send them where it makes the most sense :
- first, most of the destinations are 11+ hours flights, hence allowing less frequent boarding and deboarding which require time and human ressources
- most of the destinations need capacity, but not necessary frequency (MIA, JNB, MEX, SFO, IAD)
- some of these destinations are Skyteam partners' hubs (ATL, MEX, PVG)
- eventually some of them need capacity AND frequency (LAX, JFK, ATL)


Couple of follow-up questions:

-What are the demand drivers for travel btwn South Florida/Jo'burg and France? SFO/IAD I assume are driven by tech traffic, JFK/LAX by finance/entertainment.
-Does AF send the A380 to MEX chiefly for the Aeromexico connections to LatAm, because the A380 is a strong hot-and-high performer, or is it just because it's two big population centers (Mexico City and Paris) which means lots of end-to-end demand?
-Besides Delta's connecting network, is the A380 to ATL motivated by close business ties to France? The HQs that I can think of in Atlanta proper are: The Coca-Cola Company, Home Depot, Turner Broadcasting, Cox, SunTrust Bank. Cobb County alone has UPS and Mercedes-Benz (both in Sandy Springs), while Lockheed Martin builds the F-35 wings and C-130 in Marietta. I'm guessing automotive is a big one, even though French cars aren't sold in North America. Alongside MBUSA, Porsche's U.S. headquarters on the ATL property, and MBUSA also ships its U.S. market cars through Brunswick GA.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:04 pm

leftcoast8 wrote:
-Does AF send the A380 to MEX chiefly for the Aeromexico connections to LatAm, because the A380 is a strong hot-and-high performer, or is it just because it's two big population centers (Mexico City and Paris) which means lots of end-to-end demand?

MEX gets A380 because of hot and high performance with enough traffic to fill it. This is also why many Euro airlines send it to JNB too.

PSA’s (Peugeot/Citroen/Opel)‘s NA headquarters are in Atlanta, even though they don’t sell cars in the US. That will probably change with FCA merger though.
 
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Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:16 am

CarlosSi wrote:
I think they also sent them to Montreal at one point.


They did, but not for long - they stopped in October 2012. YUL had constructed a new gate, terminal space and purchased fire equipment just for the A380 flights.

Article (In French):
https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2012/06/11/ ... a-montreal
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