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What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:50 am

What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Are they still in service? Where do they fly them to? Seems that they are not retired but they are sitting around doing little.
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:54 am

Kuala Lumpur to Jeddah flights it seems?
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:48 am

What about the rest?
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:22 am

It's being used for subs here and there, like to Tokyo & Sydney.

Other than that, it's parked up in KUL.
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:52 am

With A380 retirements soon to become a thing and the fact that MH is open about not exactly being a fan of the A380 and only keeping them as obligations, it makes me wonder if they are long for this world.
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:35 am

Here's an example of what's MH's A388s are being used for



The super-sub at Melbourne, Australia.
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:21 pm

I thought all A380 are now transferred to the new subsidiary AMAL.
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:27 pm

I wonder if NH/KE/OZ/CI hadn't dominated the California-SE Asia market, could MH have made KUL-LAX work with the A380? O/T but same with TG and BKK-LAX
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:26 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I wonder if NH/KE/OZ/CI hadn't dominated the California-SE Asia market, could MH have made KUL-LAX work with the A380? O/T but same with TG and BKK-LAX


SE Asia-North America non-stop was always going to be difficult due to demand and distance reasons. It's really really far, and from what I recall the Malaysian/Thai diaspora in the US isn't that big to begine with. PR's non-stops survive due to the very large Filipino diaspora and due to being slightly nearer, which allows for more flexibility when it comes to the types of planes they use, and even then they're struggling as of late thanks to the East Asian carriers. SQ is SQ and they can do it due to Singapore being a business hub.
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:15 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I wonder if NH/KE/OZ/CI hadn't dominated the California-SE Asia market, could MH have made KUL-LAX work with the A380? O/T but same with TG and BKK-LAX


You realized that KUL-LAX is longer than SIN-LAX, right?

It is also out of A380’s range especially westbound with the headwind.

BKK-LAX has the demand but not the yield.

filipinoavgeek wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
I wonder if NH/KE/OZ/CI hadn't dominated the California-SE Asia market, could MH have made KUL-LAX work with the A380? O/T but same with TG and BKK-LAX


SE Asia-North America non-stop was always going to be difficult due to demand and distance reasons. It's really really far, and from what I recall the Malaysian/Thai diaspora in the US isn't that big to begine with. PR's non-stops survive due to the very large Filipino diaspora and due to being slightly nearer, which allows for more flexibility when it comes to the types of planes they use, and even then they're struggling as of late thanks to the East Asian carriers. SQ is SQ and they can do it due to Singapore being a business hub.


Isn’t CX Philippines’ true national carrier anyway? :duck:
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:17 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
Isn’t CX Philippines’ true national carrier anyway? :duck:


Well that's a common joke, considering Filipino loyalty to CX and the fact that the name "Cathay Pacific" was, according to legend, actually coined in Manila.
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:30 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Isn’t CX Philippines’ true national carrier anyway? :duck:


Well that's a common joke, considering Filipino loyalty to CX and the fact that the name "Cathay Pacific" was, according to legend, actually coined in Manila.


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Well, if Chinese wikipedia is correct, the name “Cathay Pacific” was indeed coined in Manila. Manila was also one of the first destination for CX anyway (along with Bangkok, Singapore, and Shanghai).

P.S. My original statement was indeed intended to be a joke.
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:37 am

They actually are a very good aircraft on slot restricted routes.
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:48 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I wonder if NH/KE/OZ/CI hadn't dominated the California-SE Asia market, could MH have made KUL-LAX work with the A380? O/T but same with TG and BKK-LAX


No O&D demand. When it was first introduced back in 1986, maybe there was demand as the Malaysian currency was around M$2.50 to the dollar. But now with the currency depreciating like hell against the USD, it will cost a family of four a fortune in visa fee alone - and it doesn't make sense to pay basically the fare from KUL-SYD for a multiple entry visa that you're going to use only once. It's also the same with Malaysia-Canada flights, although Canadian visa fees are much cheaper.

If Malaysia is part of the VWP like Singapore or Brunei, I'm pretty sure demand will pick up tremendously.
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Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:02 am

I have read factual stories in the aviation press that MAS 380's are either being withdrawn from service or being reconfigured to high density. Does anyone know what is actually happening?
 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:18 am

Hi flighuk,

There are numerous thread on the same topic. Here are some:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1392917&p=20367741&hilit=Malaysia+Airlines+A380#p20367741
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1412751&p=21088373&hilit=Malaysia+Airlines+A380#p21088373

To summarise, MH A380 are still in original configuration but they are now being utilised for Hajj flight.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:18 am

The Malaysia Airlines' A380s were withdrawn from scheduled flights since 2018 and the aircraft are now flying on charter flights. For 2019, the A380s were operating Hajj flights for Amal and Flynas.

Amal is the Hajj charter division of Malaysia Airlines: https://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hq/en/ ... /amal.html

These charters use up about four A380s. The other two A380s are largely used as spare aircraft and also as substitutes during the peak travel seasons. In 2019, the A380s operated many full flights to Tokyo. At other times, A380s are used as relief aircraft when the regular aircraft in the fleet are not available due to maintenance and upgrades.

The A380s are flying in their original configuration as the management has decided that a cabin reconfiguration will not make economic sense. This is in line with the thinking of many airlines - refurbishing an A380 is highly expensive!
 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:20 am

They have been parked up at KUL for the last 18 months at least with minimal use. They have no regular scheduled use for 1 frame let alone the rest, the only flying the 380 does is on Medina charters for other entities. Seems they're just ignoring them and forgetting about the problem, as they've backtracked and renaged on every proposal for the 380s so far.

What's for sure is that they're losing money with them no matter what they do. The previously seasonal deployment to SYD, LHR & KIX appears to have stopped entirely too, afaik they've only been used on occasional subs to TYO this year.
 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:51 am

bhxalex wrote:
What's for sure is that they're losing money with them no matter what they do. The previously seasonal deployment to SYD, LHR & KIX appears to have stopped entirely too, afaik they've only been used on occasional subs to TYO this year.


They are deploying the A380's once a week in December to SYD during the summer peak season.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:36 am

It's a shame they don't use them more. I'd love to fly on one just to try it out.
 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:26 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
It's a shame they don't use them more. I'd love to fly on one just to try it out.

Yes it is a shame that they can't generate sufficient demand to fly them on a scheduled basis. By flying them seasonally, they can be sure that the flights can be filled up and they can cut losses. It isn't very good business to fly the aircraft at 30% load - better to park the plane!
 
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Re: Malaysian Airlines A380's

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:14 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
They are deploying the A380's once a week in December to SYD during the summer peak season.


This might sounds strange, but as these A380 are operated by AMAL, a sharia-compliant airline, is there any difference in service to SYD? The crew on AMAL is wearing hijab, the IFE consist of religious content, the boarding audio/video is different etc.! Or will it change back on these flights to MAS standards?
 
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Re: What's up with Malaysia Airlines's A380s?

Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:31 am

Must be a good deal to be an A380 pilot for MAS

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