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Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:38 pm

Hello all,

I search but didn't find anything related in the forum. I am wondering if any of you guys know where are the A318's from Avianca heading after the airline sold them. It came to my attention that the first one, out of the 10 they had, went out of the fleet.

Here the pic:
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It looks like the airplane was flying to Houston two days ago, but that's it.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:08 pm

Seeing the fairly non existant demand for the A318 now, I assume they will all be scrapped and parted for spare parts.

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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:14 pm

It is going into parts around the globe for different a320 family airplanes and aluminum cans.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:23 pm

It's a very long shot; but could someone want it for a bizjet?

It'll most likely end up parted out though.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:30 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
It's a very long shot; but could someone want it for a bizjet?

It'll most likely end up parted out though.


Aren't these the only ones with the PW6000 engine? I'd imagine the cost of engine maintenance for a unique engine would essentially rule out any possibility for a second life elsewhere.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:32 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
It's a very long shot; but could someone want it for a bizjet?

It'll most likely end up parted out though.


If you wanted to make a bizjet out of a used Airbus airliner, I suspect you'd choose an A319, which has better range and better support for not much more money.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:35 pm

I always thought the A318 looked like an awkward puppy who was going to grow into a large breed dog.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:33 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
It's a very long shot; but could someone want it for a bizjet?

It'll most likely end up parted out though.


Aren't these the only ones with the PW6000 engine? I'd imagine the cost of engine maintenance for a unique engine would essentially rule out any possibility for a second life elsewhere.

The ones used by Avianca Brasil were powered by the PW6000... These are CFM powered
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:54 pm

cnarvaez wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
It's a very long shot; but could someone want it for a bizjet?

It'll most likely end up parted out though.


Aren't these the only ones with the PW6000 engine? I'd imagine the cost of engine maintenance for a unique engine would essentially rule out any possibility for a second life elsewhere.

The ones used by Avianca Brasil were powered by the PW6000... These are CFM powered


Avianca Colombia's 318s are CFM powered, all ex Mexicana. Avianca Brazil's were ex LAN Chile. If memory serves, LAN was the only 318 client that specified the PW6000 engine.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:55 pm

Prost wrote:
I always thought the A318 looked like an awkward puppy who was going to grow into a large breed dog.

Same here, however I miss riding on them back in the days F9 Had a few, boy did they have a short life span
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:00 pm

A bit off topic, but how and why did this variant of the A-320 even get built? I mean, I've never heard anyone ever say they were a good idea. Or if it was a good idea, it didn't stay that way for long.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:01 pm

Karlsands wrote:
Prost wrote:
I always thought the A318 looked like an awkward puppy who was going to grow into a large breed dog.

Same here, however I miss riding on them back in the days F9 Had a few, boy did they have a short life span


I was going to mention that. Planespotters.net shows 11 A318 in the historic Frontier fleet and all went to the scrapper - the newest of which was barely 3 years old at the time.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:04 pm

Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:29 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!

8 hours on an A318?
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:44 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!

8 hours on an A318?


Already something that happens on LCY-JFK during the winter from time to time. Of course existing demand already shows that there isn't a need for additional LCY frequencies to the US.

I don't see any use for the 318 other than scrap given the parts are probably worth more than the depreciated value of the aircraft as a whole.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:44 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!

8 hours on an A318?

Well, 7 after the stop in SNN. All business class too.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:52 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!


Didn't BA already downsize from 2 to 1 A318 at LCY?
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:56 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Sell them to BA so they can start LCY-BOS/DCA!


Didn't BA already downsize from 2 to 1 A318 at LCY?

Yep G-EUNB is now with Titan. Rumours are that they may axe that flight altogether.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:02 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
8 hours on an A318?

BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
8 hours on an A318?

BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.


No its not, its a great option for business travellers, but a dream come true would be a direct service without a fuel stop.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:34 pm

Scrapyard.

No one wants A318s
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:43 am

IWMBH wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
8 hours on an A318?

BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.


No its not, its a great option for business travellers, but a dream come true would be a direct service without a fuel stop.


not just a fuel stop, don't forget CBP clearance!
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:20 am

Those A318s were leased, IINM. I expect that they will be scrapped. If BA orders the A220, that would be a perfect replacement for the A318 as a more capable aircraft, especially the A220-100. (The larger A220-300 could be an A319 replacement.)
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:31 am

Maybe Allegiant? In the Allegiant thread someone said an internal memo announced that G4 was picking up an additional 12 Airbuses.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:43 am

I wonder if you could make a firefighting tanker out of an A318? They're probably all getting scrapped, though.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:04 am

aviationjunky wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
8 hours on an A318?

BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.


If it was such a “dream come true” then why did BA cancel the other rotation and sell one of the two A318s rather than starting a similar service to one of the other airports listed? (Also, DCA has a perimeter rule which would prevent nonstop service to London).
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:33 am

hOMSaR wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
8 hours on an A318?

BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.


If it was such a “dream come true” then why did BA cancel the other rotation and sell one of the two A318s rather than starting a similar service to one of the other airports listed? (Also, DCA has a perimeter rule which would prevent nonstop service to London).

Because what works for a passenger, might not click at all with the company?
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:12 am

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
A bit off topic, but how and why did this variant of the A-320 even get built? I mean, I've never heard anyone ever say they were a good idea. Or if it was a good idea, it didn't stay that way for long.


same as why B737-600 were built
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:27 am

Some went to Brooksville, FL for scrapping. You can see them on Google Maps.
Link here: https://goo.gl/maps/xe1H4mbisU1JB8RY7
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:50 am

Is that a new scrapping location?.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:16 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Is that a new scrapping location?.

Yes. The Air Algerie 767-300 fleet went there too.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:19 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
BA1 is a dream come true to most business travelers. I'm sure service to BOS and DCA/IAD/BWI would work great as well.


No its not, its a great option for business travellers, but a dream come true would be a direct service without a fuel stop.


not just a fuel stop, don't forget CBP clearance!


That clearance would’ve been in the US, it’s just there to make good use of the downtime while the plane is refueling.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:36 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
Maybe Allegiant? In the Allegiant thread someone said an internal memo announced that G4 was picking up an additional 12 Airbuses.


G4 favors the A320 and will usually only take the A319 if it is a great deal. I cannot imagine these are a good enough deal to make it worthwhile to add the A318 to the fleet.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:37 am

One question, might be a little bit of topic: Until when does Avianca plan to phase out all A318s? I am flying to Bogoto beginning of September and was hoping to do a quick domestic or international hop from there with an A318. But on the booking page I can not find any A318 anymore for that time. Will they be gone in December already?
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:36 am

conaly wrote:
One question, might be a little bit of topic: Until when does Avianca plan to phase out all A318s? I am flying to Bogoto beginning of September and was hoping to do a quick domestic or international hop from there with an A318. But on the booking page I can not find any A318 anymore for that time. Will they be gone in December already?

Unfortuanetely all AV A318 would have now been retired. The last flight was on Dec 7 when N598EL did EYP-BOG. That was the last known A318 flight. All the others have left for MZJ to be scrapped. Over the weekend N591EL and N591EL left for good. https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:41 am

Hopefully some of these aircraft will leave MZJ one day for Iran. The A318 is perfectly suited for medium range flights in a mountainous environment.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:43 am

nws2002 wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
Maybe Allegiant? In the Allegiant thread someone said an internal memo announced that G4 was picking up an additional 12 Airbuses.


G4 favors the A320 and will usually only take the A319 if it is a great deal. I cannot imagine these are a good enough deal to make it worthwhile to add the A318 to the fleet.

Why not? Most of the parts on the A318 are the same as the A319. The A318 will be an excellent charter aircraft for G4 and will allow them to finally replace their MD-87 fleet
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:26 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
nws2002 wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
Maybe Allegiant? In the Allegiant thread someone said an internal memo announced that G4 was picking up an additional 12 Airbuses.


G4 favors the A320 and will usually only take the A319 if it is a great deal. I cannot imagine these are a good enough deal to make it worthwhile to add the A318 to the fleet.

Why not? Most of the parts on the A318 are the same as the A319. The A318 will be an excellent charter aircraft for G4 and will allow them to finally replace their MD-87 fleet


Trip cost is pretty much the same as the A319. The MD-87s were some of the first to go, even before they started the bulk retirement of the MD-80 fleet. Why bother with the distraction of another variant for a few charter aircraft when that is not the core of their business anymore? If parts availability becomes an issue or the A318 is an amazing deal they could buy one for parts I guess.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:22 am

blacksoviet wrote:
The A318 will be an excellent charter aircraft for G4 and will allow them to finally replace their MD-87 fleet

What are you talking about? G4 retired the MD-87 fleet ~5-10 years ago.
 
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Re: Where are the Avianca's A318 going?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:29 am

KFTG wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
The A318 will be an excellent charter aircraft for G4 and will allow them to finally replace their MD-87 fleet

What are you talking about? G4 retired the MD-87 fleet ~5-10 years ago.

Yes, and since then they have not had a dedicated spares/charter fleet.

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