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Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:34 pm

Pre merger, I know CO had a lot of routes to Europe from EWR that were cut after the merger. Many were with 757s, and were cut because of range issues. I'm curious what routes they flew that have been cut now. Also, what routes were they planning?
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:45 pm

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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:47 pm

I can speak with authority on your second question. Among routes planned, or at least seriously considered, where we were pretty sure of success, were HEL, PRG, VIE, STR, NCE and GOT. Some of these were meant to be seasonal. I am sure I have forgotten to mention some. Oh, and some of these did get started, but it was UA by then, and no longer CO.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:48 pm

What airport is GOT?
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:50 pm

CO was pretty strong in secondary UK and Germany markets. I'm surprised UA elected to cut the German routes given the LH jv.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:51 pm

HP69 wrote:
What airport is GOT?


Gothenburg
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:00 pm

Out of my mind:

BFS
BRS
NCL
BHX
OSL
HAM
DUS
CGN (pretty sure it ended prior to the merger)
STR (pretty sure it started after the merger)
DUS (cancelled 2001 or 2002)

Thats a lot of scorched earth left behind in UK and Germany, many of these markets with potential.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:11 pm

DLHAM wrote:
Out of my mind:

BFS
BRS
NCL
BHX
OSL
HAM
DUS
CGN (pretty sure it ended prior to the merger)
STR (pretty sure it started after the merger)
DUS (cancelled 2001 or 2002)

Thats a lot of scorched earth left behind in UK and Germany, many of these markets with potential.

Well..."potential" doesn't pay jet fuel, aircraft leases or salaries. Many of those were flown for well over a decade. Some had been candidates for getting the chop for years, but were given ample possibilities to prove themselves. When that doesn't happen, what would you do?...
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:16 pm

I flew with them to Edinburgh, 757 as previously mentioned. Memorable flight. I got stuck on the runway in Atlanta for about 2 hours, got into EWR very late, I assumed I missed the flight, especially when I got to the boarding area, two attendants were at the gate, and there wasn't another human being anywhere in the boarding area. I was welcomed on board, I think handed a major sedative, told to relax, and I caught my breath. I was up front in business, my first transatlantic in a 757 and it was a fantastic flight. Much as I dislike the 757, it remains my favorite with Delta when flying up front. Continental's business exec was truly a class act, down to the fresh, fat asparagus served with my steak. I was not a happy camper when they left SkyTeam with the merger.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:44 pm

CPH. Route number was CO122/123 moved to UA122/123 then cut shortly after the merger was completed
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:04 pm

HP69 wrote:
Pre merger, I know CO had a lot of routes to Europe from EWR that were cut after the merger. Many were with 757s, and were cut because of range issues. I'm curious what routes they flew that have been cut now. Also, what routes were they planning?

I don't think range issues are the reason for many route cuts. The 752's rarely had problems to any UK destinations, even in winter. TXL, I think was the longest range flight. Most were cut because of increased competition to secondary routes by airlines like Norwegian. Lots of Scandinavian cities are easily served through partnerships with SAS and Lufthansa. While its sad to see many of the smaller dots on the European route map go away, I get why some of them were a hard sell economically. Perhaps a more fuel efficient aircraft would help bring some back, but with loss leading competitors selling seats for less than the cost, fuel is only part of the equation.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:18 pm

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CO was pretty strong in secondary UK and Germany markets. I'm surprised UA elected to cut the German routes given the LH jv.


757 winter range wasn't adequate for TXL-EWR. That flight was a routine visitor to Newfoundland and Labrador.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:24 pm

CO flew these routes with the 757 because A. New routes to smaller cities, smaller aircraft is better B. It's all they had, before the merger CO was very short on widebodies.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:44 pm

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I flew with them to Edinburgh, 757 as previously mentioned. Memorable flight. I got stuck on the runway in Atlanta for about 2 hours, got into EWR very late, I assumed I missed the flight, especially when I got to the boarding area, two attendants were at the gate, and there wasn't another human being anywhere in the boarding area. I was welcomed on board, I think handed a major sedative, told to relax, and I caught my breath. I was up front in business, my first transatlantic in a 757 and it was a fantastic flight. Much as I dislike the 757, it remains my favorite with Delta when flying up front. Continental's business exec was truly a class act, down to the fresh, fat asparagus served with my steak. I was not a happy camper when they left SkyTeam with the merger.



FYI


You didn’t get stuck on ‘the runway for two hours’

The whole airport is not the runway!!!!
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:55 pm

Max Q wrote:
georgiaame wrote:
I flew with them to Edinburgh, 757 as previously mentioned. Memorable flight. I got stuck on the runway in Atlanta for about 2 hours, got into EWR very late, I assumed I missed the flight, especially when I got to the boarding area, two attendants were at the gate, and there wasn't another human being anywhere in the boarding area. I was welcomed on board, I think handed a major sedative, told to relax, and I caught my breath. I was up front in business, my first transatlantic in a 757 and it was a fantastic flight. Much as I dislike the 757, it remains my favorite with Delta when flying up front. Continental's business exec was truly a class act, down to the fresh, fat asparagus served with my steak. I was not a happy camper when they left SkyTeam with the merger.



FYI


You didn’t get stuck on ‘the runway for two hours’

The whole airport is not the runway!!!!


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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:28 am

DLHAM wrote:
Out of my mind:

BFS
BRS
NCL
BHX
OSL
HAM
DUS
CGN (pretty sure it ended prior to the merger)
STR (pretty sure it started after the merger)
DUS (cancelled 2001 or 2002)

Thats a lot of scorched earth left behind in UK and Germany, many of these markets with potential.


Another airport everyone seems to be overlooking.

STN (cancelled shortly after 9/11)

BTW STR started before the merger.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:02 am

BFS, BRS, STN, GLA year round (it is seasonal now), BHX, CGN, OSL, CPH, DUS, CAI (announced by CO but never started),

HAM I am pretty sure was launched after the merger. DUS was cancelled in the CO days. Stuttgart was started post-merger.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:03 am

Other long haul routes operated by CO that were cancelled (long before the merger also included GIG and SCL). GIG was operated I think on a 767-400ER and was axed right after 9/11. SCL was a DC10 operation and cancelled before 9/11.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:13 am

Cunard wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
Out of my mind:

BFS
BRS
NCL
BHX
OSL
HAM
DUS
CGN (pretty sure it ended prior to the merger)
STR (pretty sure it started after the merger)
DUS (cancelled 2001 or 2002)

Thats a lot of scorched earth left behind in UK and Germany, many of these markets with potential.


Another airport everyone seems to be overlooking.

STN (cancelled shortly after 9/11)

BTW STR started before the merger.

No, STR started when the merger was already a fact.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:17 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
BFS, BRS, STN, GLA year round (it is seasonal now), BHX, CGN, OSL, CPH, DUS, CAI (announced by CO but never started),

HAM I am pretty sure was launched after the merger. DUS was cancelled in the CO days. Stuttgart was started post-merger.

CAI was a victim of the Arab Spring and the resulting collpase of travel to Egypt and the Egyptian economy.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:55 am

Here's a partial route map at the time the two airlines became one company in October 2010. Blue is UA routes, gold CO routes, red future CO routes, and green future UA routes.

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300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:52 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
BFS, BRS, STN, GLA year round (it is seasonal now), BHX, CGN, OSL, CPH, DUS, CAI (announced by CO but never started),

HAM I am pretty sure was launched after the merger. DUS was cancelled in the CO days. Stuttgart was started post-merger.


Other way round. Hamburg was launched in 2005 and "lasted" for 13 years until 2018. Stuttgart launched in 2013 or 2014 I think and lasted only like 2 years.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:04 am

intotheair wrote:
Here's a partial route map at the time the two airlines became one company in October 2010. Blue is UA routes, gold CO routes, red future CO routes, and green future UA routes.

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Personally I would've love to see that Moscow route stick around and Cairo to come to fruition. But fate had other things in mind.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:57 am

TWA772LR wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Here's a partial route map at the time the two airlines became one company in October 2010. Blue is UA routes, gold CO routes, red future CO routes, and green future UA routes.

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Personally I would've love to see that Moscow route stick around and Cairo to come to fruition. But fate had other things in mind.


Remember that DME was a PMUA route from IAD.
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:14 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
I can speak with authority on your second question. Among routes planned, or at least seriously considered, where we were pretty sure of success, were HEL, PRG, VIE, STR, NCE and GOT. Some of these were meant to be seasonal. I am sure I have forgotten to mention some. Oh, and some of these did get started, but it was UA by then, and no longer CO.

When did they consider HEL?
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:48 am

USPIT10L wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Here's a partial route map at the time the two airlines became one company in October 2010. Blue is UA routes, gold CO routes, red future CO routes, and green future UA routes.

Image

Personally I would've love to see that Moscow route stick around and Cairo to come to fruition. But fate had other things in mind.


Remember that DME was a PMUA route from IAD.



Long before the merger CO was selling CO 66/67 EWR-SVO but the deal with SU fell thru and it was never operated.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:24 am

tpaewr wrote:
USPIT10L wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Personally I would've love to see that Moscow route stick around and Cairo to come to fruition. But fate had other things in mind.


Remember that DME was a PMUA route from IAD.



Long before the merger CO was selling CO 66/67 EWR-SVO but the deal with SU fell thru and it was never operated.


Yes, was planning to launch EWR-SVO, with its own aircraft (DC10) back in the late 1990s. It never went through. The other factoid about CO's TATL service was the EWR-FCO route, which for a time was operated in partnership with AZ on a CO DC10 painted in CO colors on one side and AZ on the other. This was in 1999.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:14 pm

DLHAM wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
BFS, BRS, STN, GLA year round (it is seasonal now), BHX, CGN, OSL, CPH, DUS, CAI (announced by CO but never started),

HAM I am pretty sure was launched after the merger. DUS was cancelled in the CO days. Stuttgart was started post-merger.


Other way round. Hamburg was launched in 2005 and "lasted" for 13 years until 2018. Stuttgart launched in 2013 or 2014 I think and lasted only like 2 years.

Correct on HAM. STR launched in 2012.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:18 pm

tpaewr wrote:
USPIT10L wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Personally I would've love to see that Moscow route stick around and Cairo to come to fruition. But fate had other things in mind.


Remember that DME was a PMUA route from IAD.



Long before the merger CO was selling CO 66/67 EWR-SVO but the deal with SU fell thru and it was never operated.

Correct. SU (or rather some of their "employees") demanded payments that CO couldn't ans wouldn't accept, so we backed away from that route.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:22 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
I can speak with authority on your second question. Among routes planned, or at least seriously considered, where we were pretty sure of success, were HEL, PRG, VIE, STR, NCE and GOT. Some of these were meant to be seasonal. I am sure I have forgotten to mention some. Oh, and some of these did get started, but it was UA by then, and no longer CO.

When did they consider HEL?

Unless memory fails me, it was 2008, to be started in spring of 2009. Then the merger talks started and pretty much everything was put on hold.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:38 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
I can speak with authority on your second question. Among routes planned, or at least seriously considered, where we were pretty sure of success, were HEL, PRG, VIE, STR, NCE and GOT. Some of these were meant to be seasonal. I am sure I have forgotten to mention some. Oh, and some of these did get started, but it was UA by then, and no longer CO.

When did they consider HEL?

Unless memory fails me, it was 2008, to be started in spring of 2009. Then the merger talks started and pretty much everything was put on hold.

Thanks! It's interesting and pretty surprising that CO considered EWR–HEL service given that they were a SkyTeam member. I hope that one of the major US airlines would come to HEL at some point. I've heard that DL also served HEL in the '90s.
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:07 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
When did they consider HEL?

Unless memory fails me, it was 2008, to be started in spring of 2009. Then the merger talks started and pretty much everything was put on hold.

Thanks! It's interesting and pretty surprising that CO considered EWR–HEL service given that they were a SkyTeam member. I hope that one of the major US airlines would come to HEL at some point. I've heard that DL also served HEL in the '90s.

Well, you did have AA to ORD up until a few years back - seasonally.
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MalevTU134 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Unless memory fails me, it was 2008, to be started in spring of 2009. Then the merger talks started and pretty much everything was put on hold.

Thanks! It's interesting and pretty surprising that CO considered EWR–HEL service given that they were a SkyTeam member. I hope that one of the major US airlines would come to HEL at some point. I've heard that DL also served HEL in the '90s.

Well, you did have AA to ORD up until a few years back - seasonally.
SkyTeam having very little presence in Finland was a positive point for us (CO).

True. To be honest, I prefer AY flying to ORD over AA considering that there is now much more capacity on the route. But more flights and competition to NYC, for example, would be welcomed.

By the way, you wrote "...was a positive point for us". Did you work for CO or something?
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:52 pm

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MalevTU134 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Thanks! It's interesting and pretty surprising that CO considered EWR–HEL service given that they were a SkyTeam member. I hope that one of the major US airlines would come to HEL at some point. I've heard that DL also served HEL in the '90s.

Well, you did have AA to ORD up until a few years back - seasonally.
SkyTeam having very little presence in Finland was a positive point for us (CO).

True. To be honest, I prefer AY flying to ORD over AA considering that there is now much more capacity on the route. But more flights and competition to NYC, for example, would be welcomed.

By the way, you wrote "...was a positive point for us". Did you work for CO or something?

Yes.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:14 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Well, you did have AA to ORD up until a few years back - seasonally.
SkyTeam having very little presence in Finland was a positive point for us (CO).

True. To be honest, I prefer AY flying to ORD over AA considering that there is now much more capacity on the route. But more flights and competition to NYC, for example, would be welcomed.

By the way, you wrote "...was a positive point for us". Did you work for CO or something?

Yes.

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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:06 am

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CO was pretty strong in secondary UK and Germany markets. I'm surprised UA elected to cut the German routes given the LH jv.


I remember when they (UA) cut EWR HAM. I was booked on that and they put me on LH DFW-FRA and then LH FRA-HAM. Much better ride and service on the LH A330.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:48 am

I did fly Continental DEN-EWR-EDI and DUB-SNN-EWR-DEN in 2006 in coach. I still have the cheap ife headsets in a drawer someplace. This was before the merger.
 
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Re: Continental EWR TATL routes

Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:35 pm

One of PMUA's first TATL adds (had they merged with US) in 2000 was IAD-CPH as well. Never happened. PMUA's EWR-LHR was a long timer that got terminated in and around 2004 when CO was still flying to LGW.

CO's network were mainly run by D10s in the 1990s and followed by mainly 777, 767, 764, and 752 in the 2000s. After merger with UAL, quite a few of the 752 routes were made seasonal or cut for many reasons (diversions, economic demand, code shares, up-gauging issues to larger aircraft etc.) These days the 763 (PMUA) has become a popular the aircraft of choice to Europe from EWR on UA.

IIRC, quite a few British Isles and Scandinavia routes (ex-CO) have been made seasonal or cut entirely. EWR-ARN hangs around seasonally on a 752. Likely because SAS has always been consistent at EWR for many years.

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